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It’s a shame that some media still call this a disease where it is clearly not a disadvantage in some contexts for some instances. Where’s as the words disease

by hcfman 2y ago

It’s a shame that some media still call this a disease where it is clearly not a disadvantage in some contexts for some instances. Where’s as the words disease doesn’t conjure up any impressions of upside.

r_singh 2y ago
What’s more is that people aren’t sensitive to it. Unsaid social rules really make the lives of some of the differently abled who have an eye for things the rest of us don’t difficult. Heart goes out for all those on the spectrum dealing with family and social issues
- chrisknyfe 2y ago
  that's because unsaid social rules are part of the structures that keep rich elites on top, and help them filter out "pretenders" to nobility.
  - DiscourseFan 2y ago
    Yes and no, as in any case to challenge power you'd need a rigorous understanding of it, which you can't get if you're severely autistic. The greatest works of humanity have been made with social co-operation.
    - masfuerte 2y ago
      And the greatest atrocities of humanity have been made with social co-operation.
      - DiscourseFan 2y ago
        That's trivial. Atrocity goes hand in hand with power, the same power that decimates a whole people also builds the city over their graves. The powerless cannot challenge power, there is nothing honourable in ineptitude. If you want to feel good about yourself for being weak you can go back to church and pray that a god will save you, but for those who wish to triumph in the world there is only one path available, and it is not bloodless.
IshKebab 2y ago
Isn't that true of all diseases? What is the upside of being autistic? I don't think anyone who was somehow given the choice of autism or no autism at birth would choose autism would they?
- hombre_fatal 2y ago
  I'm sure the parents of an autistic kid who's nonverbal at age 10 and punches himself in the face are comforted online when they hear about how discourse around autism downplays its advantages.
  - IshKebab 2y ago
    I'm not sure what your point is. What are its advantages? I wasn't aware of any.
    - rvbissell 2y ago
      It seems to me that GP was using sarcasm to express agreement with your comment.
      - IshKebab 2y ago
        Ah yes I misread.
  - wizzwizz4 2y ago
    Very few people are incapable of communication. Mutism is neither exclusively nor inherently autistic, and there are many other communication options available beyond voice (though they'd have to be made available to the child – that includes tools, where necessary, and training). Real-time spoken language is a complicated skill, and we shouldn't require that people master it before their needs are respected. Punching yourself in the face is a sign of unmet needs. Sadly, the usual response to something like that is to (1) restrain the person, then (2) not try to figure out those needs, much less address them. I don't make a habit of blaming caregivers, but if an autistic kid's punching themself in the face enough for it to count as a character trait, there have been significant failures at multiple levels. I'll repeat that. Punching yourself in the face is not an autistic trait. It's a caged lion trait. Put an allistic kid in the right (wrong) situation, and they'll do the same.
squigz 2y ago
> it is clearly not a disadvantage in some contexts for some instances Putting aside that this isn't exactly "clear", you qualified this statement with "some" twice - ignoring the vast majority of other contexts where it is decidedly not an "advantage"
- hcfman 2y ago
  Yes, I've deliberately reduced the scope to scope with which I have experience. I'm not qualified to talk on the behalf of everyone. Am I not allowed to talk in restricted scope for the experience that I have ? And I chose my words to make it clear that I wasn't speaking for everyone. The choice of the word disease comes hand in hand with the desire to eradicate this. Then I just wonder how much tech we would actually have in this world, I think that everyone would be too busy out at parties to get anything done. Then everyone would be like the people in Bridgerton :) OMG!! Probably the state of technology would be about the same still as well :)

by hcfman 2y ago

r_singh 2y ago

What’s more is that people aren’t sensitive to it. Unsaid social rules really make the lives of some of the differently abled who have an eye for things the rest of us don’t difficult. Heart goes out for all those on the spectrum dealing with family and social issues

chrisknyfe 2y ago
that's because unsaid social rules are part of the structures that keep rich elites on top, and help them filter out "pretenders" to nobility.
- DiscourseFan 2y ago
  Yes and no, as in any case to challenge power you'd need a rigorous understanding of it, which you can't get if you're severely autistic. The greatest works of humanity have been made with social co-operation.
  - masfuerte 2y ago
    And the greatest atrocities of humanity have been made with social co-operation.
    - DiscourseFan 2y ago
      That's trivial. Atrocity goes hand in hand with power, the same power that decimates a whole people also builds the city over their graves. The powerless cannot challenge power, there is nothing honourable in ineptitude. If you want to feel good about yourself for being weak you can go back to church and pray that a god will save you, but for those who wish to triumph in the world there is only one path available, and it is not bloodless.

IshKebab 2y ago

Isn't that true of all diseases? What is the upside of being autistic? I don't think anyone who was somehow given the choice of autism or no autism at birth would choose autism would they?

hombre_fatal 2y ago
I'm sure the parents of an autistic kid who's nonverbal at age 10 and punches himself in the face are comforted online when they hear about how discourse around autism downplays its advantages.
- IshKebab 2y ago
  I'm not sure what your point is. What are its advantages? I wasn't aware of any.
  - rvbissell 2y ago
    It seems to me that GP was using sarcasm to express agreement with your comment.
    - IshKebab 2y ago
      Ah yes I misread.
- wizzwizz4 2y ago
  Very few people are incapable of communication. Mutism is neither exclusively nor inherently autistic, and there are many other communication options available beyond voice (though they'd have to be made available to the child – that includes tools, where necessary, and training). Real-time spoken language is a complicated skill, and we shouldn't require that people master it before their needs are respected. Punching yourself in the face is a sign of unmet needs. Sadly, the usual response to something like that is to (1) restrain the person, then (2) not try to figure out those needs, much less address them. I don't make a habit of blaming caregivers, but if an autistic kid's punching themself in the face enough for it to count as a character trait, there have been significant failures at multiple levels. I'll repeat that. Punching yourself in the face is not an autistic trait. It's a caged lion trait. Put an allistic kid in the right (wrong) situation, and they'll do the same.

squigz 2y ago

> it is clearly not a disadvantage in some contexts for some instances Putting aside that this isn't exactly "clear", you qualified this statement with "some" twice - ignoring the vast majority of other contexts where it is decidedly not an "advantage"

hcfman 2y ago
Yes, I've deliberately reduced the scope to scope with which I have experience. I'm not qualified to talk on the behalf of everyone. Am I not allowed to talk in restricted scope for the experience that I have ? And I chose my words to make it clear that I wasn't speaking for everyone. The choice of the word disease comes hand in hand with the desire to eradicate this. Then I just wonder how much tech we would actually have in this world, I think that everyone would be too busy out at parties to get anything done. Then everyone would be like the people in Bridgerton :) OMG!! Probably the state of technology would be about the same still as well :)