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Just in case someone needs the reference, the onion uses '"no way to prevent this" says only nation where this regularly happens' as a reoccurring article at ev

Just in case someone needs the reference, the onion uses '"no way to prevent this" says only nation where this regularly happens' as a reoccurring article at every major school shooting[0], to highlight the frequency of such events and the fact that nothing has really changed since the last one. [0] https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1848971668 https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-na...

Supermancho 2y ago
The oversimplification is part of the joke.
- nailer 2y ago
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  - predang 2y ago
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  - ThunderSizzle 2y ago
    Well, I'm glad that you volunteered to go live in Soviet Russia or Fascist Germany, or a disarmed Native American tribe. Disarming population leads to tyranny without consequences.
    - tecleandor 2y ago
      Or most of the EU countries as of today? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    - ghnws 2y ago
      TIL almost every european country is in a state of tyrnanny. Also Yemen which is one of the only countries with somewhat similar gun ownership compared to usa (bit less than half as many guns per capita) must be the epitome of freedom and safety.
      - Gud 2y ago
        What about Switzerland? They have extremely liberal gun laws, on par with the USA. Perhaps it’s not the guns that are the problem? Perhaps it’s the overall dysfunction of the US as a country?
        rspoerri 2y ago
        Every swiss that is issued the military gun (which is most) get a gun. They are trained by military professionals how to use the gun and hoe to store the weapon at home. It is for example forbidden and punishable by law, if something happens with your weapon, if you stored your weapons ready to shoot. You must remove the bolt and store it in a save, secured location. Using ammunition provided by the goverment must not be used, if it is used you will be punished. If you dont handle your weapon responsibly during trainig you may go to military prison. So probably it probably not really compareable to how most people learn to handle a weapon in the usa.
        TheCoelacanth 2y ago
        Switzerland has very high rates of fun ownership, but their laws are far from lax. They are much stricter than the US. You need a permit to buy anything other than a hunting rifle. You can't buy a gun if you have been convicted of a crime, have an alcohol or drug addiction or express a dangerous attitude. You generally can't carry a gun except when going to and from hunting or a shooting range and you can't have the gun loaded in transit. It's also compulsory for most male citizens to learn to handle a gun safely, something which the US doesn't require even if you buy a gun.
        yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
        > You need a permit to buy anything other than a hunting rifle. You can't buy a gun if you have been convicted of a crime, have an alcohol or drug addiction or express a dangerous attitude. ...as opposed to the US? Do you think you can just buy a machine gun over the counter without any checks in the states?
        2y ago
    - Sammi 2y ago
      Most of the free democratic western world does not have a lax gun culture like the US has and yet there's no tyranny. Weird.
      - selfmodruntime 2y ago
        This isn't as clear cut of a case as you make it out to be. Britain's recently been on a path of overregulation bordering tyranny and limiting free speech. Canada is on a similar path. German green and red party politicians recently caught flack for trying to criminalize unpleasant critique. Press freedom and press independence are actively getting worse and Europe is setting course on a path of nationalism and conservative hardliners and there's an active war being fought on its borders. Islamic nationalism is on the rise and the issue concerning unregulated migration has a real chance to cause uprisings in the continent. I do not like powerful guns in the hands of the population and I love the idea of a peaceful civilization without the need for violence, but you're living in a relatively short peaceful historic phase, which is just now starting to take a turn for worse again.
        cwillu 2y ago
        And the US police routinely rob travellers of their cash and goods at gunpoint. So again, what good are the lax gun laws providing the populatnon against tyranny?
        krapp 2y ago
        As we've learned recently, American gun owners don't give a shit about tyranny so long as the tyrants don't come for their guns. In fact, depending on whose head the boot comes down on, they'll even cheer it on.
        Rodeoclash 2y ago
        And you're going to stop them with your guns? Good luck.
        tim333 2y ago
        I don't think you can call the British thing tyranny, speaking as a Brit. Ok there have been some hate speech laws, but we have elections and can vote the pols out, no armed uprising required.
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  - tim333 2y ago
    It's not even really benefits of guns are outweighed by people doing murders. All countries pretty much have some gun availability. In the UK where I am you can get a shotgun without huge problems for example. Also all countries have restrictions - even in the US I don't think you are allowed to stock up on M777 howitzers and ammo (British gun by the way). It's about having sane regulation.
    - sickofparadox 2y ago
      The last comprehensive study on gun usage in the United States estimated that there are up to 2.5 million defensive uses of guns in the US yearly, most of which never involve firing a shot. They also found a correlation between gun ownership and lack of injury from violent crimes. Also you can own howitzers in the US, they just require special paperwork and a $200 tax stamp. https://nap.nationalacademies.org/catalog/18319/priorities-for-research-to-reduce-the-threat-of-firearm-related-violence https://nap.nationalacademies.org/catalog/18319/priorities-f...
      - tim333 2y ago
        I don't really understand US politics very well but looking at Wikipedia there's stuff like >poll in ...October 2015 found that 92% of Americans supported "universal background checks for all gun sales" But you can't do it because the NRA owns your politicians? That's the kind of thing that could be fixed I would have thought.
        sickofparadox 2y ago
        We have universal (depending on what that means) background checks for everything except private sales currently, you cannot go to a store and buy a gun without submitting one. Private sales are person to person and represent a rounding error in gun sales. Guns are a hot button topic and most people are uninformed so stats like "want universal background checks" doesn't actually amount to anything actionable legislatively because according to most gun owners, we have that, but many that don't own think its the wild west.
kevincox 2y ago
I find the Wikipedia article also a good summary of the "joke" and is quite chilling to read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27No_Way_to_Prevent_This,%27_Says_Only_Nation_Where_This_Regularly_Happens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27No_Way_to_Prevent_This,%27_...
voidUpdate 2y ago
This is also an ongoing series on that blog, if you look at previous entries there's lots with the same title, also about C having buffer overflows
- xena 2y ago
  https://xeiaso.net/shitposts/no-way-to-prevent-this/ https://xeiaso.net/shitposts/no-way-to-prevent-this/ Generated by exactly 69 lines of Go every time: https://github.com/Xe/site/blob/main/cmd/no-way-to-prevent-this/main.go https://github.com/Xe/site/blob/main/cmd/no-way-to-prevent-t...
  - TeMPOraL 2y ago
    Kudos for faithfully reproducing the joke then.
    - xena 2y ago
      Thanks, I've had thoughts about making it a bit more elaborate (possibly involving large language models somehow to help synthesize what's going on into the right format, and so that it's not literally the same thing every time), but there's a charm in making it literally the same thing every time with the details swapped out. It points out the repetition to the level that all you need to do is swap out the details next time. This is all so preventable, but sometimes these things just happen and there's not anything anyone can do about them.
- fnordian_slip 2y ago
  Didn't catch that, thanks!

Supermancho 2y ago

The oversimplification is part of the joke.

nailer 2y ago
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- predang 2y ago
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- ThunderSizzle 2y ago
  Well, I'm glad that you volunteered to go live in Soviet Russia or Fascist Germany, or a disarmed Native American tribe. Disarming population leads to tyranny without consequences.
  - tecleandor 2y ago
    Or most of the EU countries as of today? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  - ghnws 2y ago
    TIL almost every european country is in a state of tyrnanny. Also Yemen which is one of the only countries with somewhat similar gun ownership compared to usa (bit less than half as many guns per capita) must be the epitome of freedom and safety.
    - Gud 2y ago
      What about Switzerland? They have extremely liberal gun laws, on par with the USA. Perhaps it’s not the guns that are the problem? Perhaps it’s the overall dysfunction of the US as a country?
      - rspoerri 2y ago
        Every swiss that is issued the military gun (which is most) get a gun. They are trained by military professionals how to use the gun and hoe to store the weapon at home. It is for example forbidden and punishable by law, if something happens with your weapon, if you stored your weapons ready to shoot. You must remove the bolt and store it in a save, secured location. Using ammunition provided by the goverment must not be used, if it is used you will be punished. If you dont handle your weapon responsibly during trainig you may go to military prison. So probably it probably not really compareable to how most people learn to handle a weapon in the usa.
      - TheCoelacanth 2y ago
        Switzerland has very high rates of fun ownership, but their laws are far from lax. They are much stricter than the US. You need a permit to buy anything other than a hunting rifle. You can't buy a gun if you have been convicted of a crime, have an alcohol or drug addiction or express a dangerous attitude. You generally can't carry a gun except when going to and from hunting or a shooting range and you can't have the gun loaded in transit. It's also compulsory for most male citizens to learn to handle a gun safely, something which the US doesn't require even if you buy a gun.
        yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
        > You need a permit to buy anything other than a hunting rifle. You can't buy a gun if you have been convicted of a crime, have an alcohol or drug addiction or express a dangerous attitude. ...as opposed to the US? Do you think you can just buy a machine gun over the counter without any checks in the states?
        2y ago
  - Sammi 2y ago
    Most of the free democratic western world does not have a lax gun culture like the US has and yet there's no tyranny. Weird.
    - selfmodruntime 2y ago
      This isn't as clear cut of a case as you make it out to be. Britain's recently been on a path of overregulation bordering tyranny and limiting free speech. Canada is on a similar path. German green and red party politicians recently caught flack for trying to criminalize unpleasant critique. Press freedom and press independence are actively getting worse and Europe is setting course on a path of nationalism and conservative hardliners and there's an active war being fought on its borders. Islamic nationalism is on the rise and the issue concerning unregulated migration has a real chance to cause uprisings in the continent. I do not like powerful guns in the hands of the population and I love the idea of a peaceful civilization without the need for violence, but you're living in a relatively short peaceful historic phase, which is just now starting to take a turn for worse again.
      - cwillu 2y ago
        And the US police routinely rob travellers of their cash and goods at gunpoint. So again, what good are the lax gun laws providing the populatnon against tyranny?
        krapp 2y ago
        As we've learned recently, American gun owners don't give a shit about tyranny so long as the tyrants don't come for their guns. In fact, depending on whose head the boot comes down on, they'll even cheer it on.
      - Rodeoclash 2y ago
        And you're going to stop them with your guns? Good luck.
      - tim333 2y ago
        I don't think you can call the British thing tyranny, speaking as a Brit. Ok there have been some hate speech laws, but we have elections and can vote the pols out, no armed uprising required.
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- tim333 2y ago
  It's not even really benefits of guns are outweighed by people doing murders. All countries pretty much have some gun availability. In the UK where I am you can get a shotgun without huge problems for example. Also all countries have restrictions - even in the US I don't think you are allowed to stock up on M777 howitzers and ammo (British gun by the way). It's about having sane regulation.
  - sickofparadox 2y ago
    The last comprehensive study on gun usage in the United States estimated that there are up to 2.5 million defensive uses of guns in the US yearly, most of which never involve firing a shot. They also found a correlation between gun ownership and lack of injury from violent crimes. Also you can own howitzers in the US, they just require special paperwork and a $200 tax stamp. https://nap.nationalacademies.org/catalog/18319/priorities-for-research-to-reduce-the-threat-of-firearm-related-violence https://nap.nationalacademies.org/catalog/18319/priorities-f...
    - tim333 2y ago
      I don't really understand US politics very well but looking at Wikipedia there's stuff like >poll in ...October 2015 found that 92% of Americans supported "universal background checks for all gun sales" But you can't do it because the NRA owns your politicians? That's the kind of thing that could be fixed I would have thought.
      - sickofparadox 2y ago
        We have universal (depending on what that means) background checks for everything except private sales currently, you cannot go to a store and buy a gun without submitting one. Private sales are person to person and represent a rounding error in gun sales. Guns are a hot button topic and most people are uninformed so stats like "want universal background checks" doesn't actually amount to anything actionable legislatively because according to most gun owners, we have that, but many that don't own think its the wild west.

kevincox 2y ago

I find the Wikipedia article also a good summary of the "joke" and is quite chilling to read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27No_Way_to_Prevent_This,%27_Says_Only_Nation_Where_This_Regularly_Happens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27No_Way_to_Prevent_This,%27_...

voidUpdate 2y ago

This is also an ongoing series on that blog, if you look at previous entries there's lots with the same title, also about C having buffer overflows

xena 2y ago
https://xeiaso.net/shitposts/no-way-to-prevent-this/ https://xeiaso.net/shitposts/no-way-to-prevent-this/ Generated by exactly 69 lines of Go every time: https://github.com/Xe/site/blob/main/cmd/no-way-to-prevent-this/main.go https://github.com/Xe/site/blob/main/cmd/no-way-to-prevent-t...
- TeMPOraL 2y ago
  Kudos for faithfully reproducing the joke then.
  - xena 2y ago
    Thanks, I've had thoughts about making it a bit more elaborate (possibly involving large language models somehow to help synthesize what's going on into the right format, and so that it's not literally the same thing every time), but there's a charm in making it literally the same thing every time with the details swapped out. It points out the repetition to the level that all you need to do is swap out the details next time. This is all so preventable, but sometimes these things just happen and there's not anything anyone can do about them.
fnordian_slip 2y ago
Didn't catch that, thanks!