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It’s like $100 per board now once you add a power supply and a case. More if you also add storage. Cheapest Intel system on Amazon is $139. The whole point of t
by ein0p 2y ago
It’s like $100 per board now once you add a power supply and a case. More if you also add storage. Cheapest Intel system on Amazon is $139. The whole point of the entire thing was its affordability. That was kind of lost along the way.
- TechDebtDevin 2y agoI don't think inflation is Rasberry Pi Ltds fault.
- chrisjj 2y agoI don't think inflation is RPi's excuse either. It affects Intel too you know.
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- knowaveragejoe 2y agoOn the other hand, a Pi zero is <$10. I remember them being $1 at Microcenter for a time. Is the cheapest Intel system as power sipping as the Pi's?
- ein0p 2y agoPi is not particularly “power sipping” either. Not every usb brick is capable of powering today’s Pi’s, which indicates peak power draw of over 5W.
- int_19h 2y agoCompared to Intel it still is - a 5V/3A brick is sufficient for all Pis, with Intel if you have USB power it's usually higher-voltage USB-C.
- pmlnr 2y agoNo, they aren't. You need 5.1 or 5.2v, otherwise you get stability issues. Learnt that the hard way.
- blipvert 2y agoThen why buy a Pi5 if you don’t have the juice? I can get a 1GB Pi3 model B shipped to my door for £27 which will run off of any mobile phone charger from the last five years (heck, I just plug mine directly into the USB socket built into the wall outlet) and connect it to any TV from the last ten years with a £2 HDMI cable. Cut your cloth.
- margalabargala 2y agoHere's a 6W, $99 intel system: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CKXL2MPM?ref=product_details&th=1 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CKXL2MPM?ref=product_details&th=... An $80 Pi 5 is 25W.
- knowaveragejoe 2y agoI have a hard time believing that system only has 6W total power draw.
- rerdavies 2y agoAn N4000 provides about half the CPU performance (single threaded), and half the cores that a Pi 5 has. However, the N100s are very competitive. Maybe even faster and cheaper, and less power hungry.
- mbesto 2y ago> The whole point of the entire thing was its affordability No, not really. If it was just affordability you could buy a used ProLiant server for the same price on Facebook Marketplace and have 20x the computing power. Raspi has been about the perfect balance of: power consumption, affordability, form factor, and computational capability all in one. If you can manage your project with a unit that is roughly 2x the form factor, you can get the same power consumption (less?!) with an N100, at the same cost, but double the processing power: https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-raspberry_pi_5_b_broadcom_bcm2712-vs-intel_processor_n100 https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-raspberry_pi_5_b_b...
- georgeecollins 2y agoI think the real differentiator is support. There is so much hardware and software support for Raspbery Pi. This is why I use them.
- jimbobthrowawy 2y agoIt's something like "the iphone" of SBCs at this point. Many others are using it and writing about it specifically, and it's pretty damn commodity. If you break one, another can (since the supply crunch) be sourced pretty quickly and easily and just dropped in where the old one was.
- wolpoli 2y agoThey committed to manufacture each Pi models for a number of years. This is important for those building a product around it.
- mike_d 2y agoNo, it was absolutely about affordability and education. Pi was never about compute power, it was focused on a general purpose CPU that ran Linux and had I/O that enabled tinkering. They lost their way trying to cater to businesses that wanted Pis to drive digital signage or be the basis of some IoT deployment. "The Raspberry Pi Foundation is a UK registered charity [...] We plan to develop, manufacture and distribute an ultra-low-cost computer, for use in teaching computer programming to children. We expect this computer to have many other applications both in the developed and the developing world." https://web.archive.org/web/20110506002027/https://www.raspberrypi.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20110506002027/https://www.raspb...
- margalabargala 2y agoThe lower-end, power-efficient market is being rapidly devoured by the ESP32. A $20 Pi will still use much more power than an ESP32 while also being less reliable and still 3x the price. The RPi company looked into the future and saw microcontrollers eating the lower end of the market, which is why they are now chasing performance. Unfortunately IMO they are not executing on this well. The RPi 5 requires 5V at 5 amps to run properly. It's now near-impossible to run via the 5V header pins, no existing power supplies can support it, and at 25W of power consumption the Intel systems you mention are now serious competition. EDIT: actually it's worse than that. Here's a $99 Intel system that claims 6W power consumption: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CKXL2MPM?ref=product_details&th=1 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CKXL2MPM?ref=product_details&th=... Aside from GPIO headers it's hard to justify a Pi 5 over that on any grounds.
- writeslowly 2y agoThe ESP32 seems like a very different product to me. The pi has megabytes/gigabytes of memory and can reasonably run linux. Were people really using them for the same things?
- freeone3000 2y agoI think the Pi is for people who want to run Linux and also be able to direct-drive voltage pins. Cheap intel systems are way better at running linux, and esp32s are way better at driving the voltage pins, but the former doesn’t offer easy hardware-pin accessibility through python and the latter has you figuring out which filesystem library to compile into your binary.
- margalabargala 2y ago> the latter has you figuring out which filesystem library to compile into your binary For what many people are doing with them, ESPHome has simplified the process to programming an ESP32 to do what they want down to nearly nothing. "Running Linux and being able to direct-drive voltage pins" is certainly still an existing market, but it is rapidly being encroached upon in both directions.
- chillingeffect 2y agoI thought the point of RPi s easy connectivity to spi, i2c, pwm, and gpio with a powerful(1) filesystem and network stack behind it. What easy way to give a NUC spi, i2c, pwm, and gpio? (1) esp-idf is not in the same league as linux.
- tskguarantee 2y agoAdafruit sells a $15 board to let you use spi, i2c and gpio over USB. It also has their connector for easy i2c expansion with their family of sensors and breakouts. https://www.adafruit.com/product/2264 https://www.adafruit.com/product/2264
- GuB-42 2y agoLatest Raspberry Pis are expensive but also quite powerful. If you want a cheap single board computer that can run Linux, you have the Pi Zero ($15). You also have the Pico ($4), which is an alternative to the ESP32.
- m463 2y agoThey cost more than that on amazon.
- LM358 2y agoI find this amazon obsession with people on the internet (I assume Americans) to be baffling and disturbing, it's always amazon this, prime that every time the concept of purchasing something online comes up. Mouser has the Zero for 15$, 16$ if you want presoldered GPIO headers. 4$ for a Pico. RS Online has them for 4.25$. There are probably hundreds of vendors that offer them for the same price if you plop the term into your favorite search engine. Amazon is the last place I'd look, but then again I absolutely do not understand this mindset that online shopping == amazon that some people seem to have. e: formatting
- madmask 2y agoIt’s just convenience and trust. No need to input addressess or make another account plus good return policies.
- m463 2y agoAmazon usually reflects the final cost of an item. If amazon is overpriced, the item might not be available from other channels/requires lots of work to get. Another (related) point is that amazon is less risky than other options. You can usually get something cheaper from ebay/alibaba/banggood/etc Somebody always has some nitpicky example, but in my experience amazon has reliable shipping and a predictable low-friction way of getting a replacement or your money back if something goes wrong.
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- lannisterstark 2y agoYou can get a SFFPC with 7th Gen i5 for like $40. Apart from low power cost and form factor (and I guess gpio), you would probably just get the SFFPC
- 1-6 2y agoAnd overall size. I hope they build more smaller form factors like the Pico and the Zero. That's what differentiates them and the rest.
- DeathArrow 2y ago>The whole point of the entire thing was its affordability. That was kind of lost along the way. Now the point is about the coolness factor. Which is measured by the Euclidean distance from architecture X to x86.
- copperx 2y agoAffordability is gone, sure. But there are many other virtues of the platform. Low heat, power consumption, heat, weight, physical dimensions, and integration.