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What prevents me from buying a new Tesla is really Musk himself. I love my M3, but not enough to want to line his pockets further with a new purchase. If I was

What prevents me from buying a new Tesla is really Musk himself. I love my M3, but not enough to want to line his pockets further with a new purchase. If I was to buy another, it'd be from a 3rd party, used. (I get that even if I bought it used, I'd still be paying that $9 / mo for the connectivity, so it's still technically giving Tesla money. Can't always "win" it all.) Also to pre-empt comments regarding wait till you hear about other CEOs who are bad / worse that you are funding - you're right; can't fight battles with everyone, have to pick and choose, and this is the one I choose.

zenbowman 2y ago
Beyond that, someone as emotionally brittle and allergic to criticism as he is will inevitably create a yes-men culture, which will destroy engineering discipline & lead to declining quality. No way around it. The one thing you absolutely need to preserve engineering quality is the ability to take criticism.
- tw04 2y ago
  What are you talking about? Removing turn signal stalks and adding a yoke with no progressive steering is engineering at its absolute finest. Do you really think Elon would just surround himself with yes men that implement stupid ideas just because he thinks it "looks cool"?
  - blowski 2y ago
    > Do you really think Elon would just surround himself with yes men that implement stupid ideas just because he thinks it "looks cool"? Yes, I suspect a lot of us do think exactly that.
    - theogravity 2y ago
      I think the commenter was being sarcastic via the "Removing turn signal stalks and adding a yoke with no progressive steering is engineering at its absolute finest" remark.
      - blowski 2y ago
        I honestly struggle to tell these days.
        theogravity 2y ago
        Me too. I use the sarcastic mark (/s) nowadays when conveying that through text.
      - tw04 2y ago
        I was definitely being sarcastic!
        blowski 2y ago
        Sorry for taking that wrong. The fanboy logic can be so ridiculous at times that it's really hard to tell.
- bmitc 2y ago
  It isn't clear Tesla ever had quality. His management persona was in place day one and has very consistently made decisions that negatively affect quality, much less the real challenge of building a car company from scratch. Teslas have pretty consistently ranked low on quality rankings.
EcommerceFlow 2y ago
I would love to hear exact reasonings behind this hatred of Musk. Not typical talking points, but actual detailed examples.
- ortusdux 2y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk
- theogravity 2y ago
  For me, things started going downhill when he called a diver a "pedo guy" during the cave rescue story. I get it was determined by the court to not fall under defamation, but it just left a sour taste. He loves to overpromise and underdeliver. As someone who bought FSD on his 2018 M3, it's still not in a state where I feel it can be safely used outside of a highway. I guess it's an issue of credibility here. Q-Anon promotions: https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-qanon-2024-election/ https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-qanon-2024-election/ Great replacement theory: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-great-replacement-conspiracy-theory-1234941337/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-... I don't agree with his thoughts on Ukraine / Crimea: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1576969255031296000 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1576969255031296000 I'm sure I can conjure more examples where we disagree ideologically or from my POV he's just an asshole, but it's a waste of my time to find even more specific examples and get into a potential flame war over why to hate or not hate him. The time required to find examples that don't seem like it's from a highly "biased" source is far greater than the person asking simply the question and will most likely not respond in kind. This will be my only response to the topic and I will not respond any further. Hope that helps.
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  - EcommerceFlow 2y ago
    QAnon is so obviously a pun/joke on Q rumors, I'm not sure what the outrage is about. His GRT outlook is quite logical. More illegal immigrants = more votes for particular politicians, more expensive housing, and lower wages. He's been very clear he prefers extremely tight borders for illegal immigrants and hugely open ones for highly qualified legal immigrants. I think the majority of American's would agree with that. I also disagree with his Ukraine/Crimea thoughts, but it's quite logical from his viewpoint. He sees an increased risk of Nuclear War over Eastern Ukraine as not worth it, and has mentioned that a few times. I'm sure he understands his mortality and time left, and is just thinking on a civilizational level. I will point out the irony in you stating this, when Starlink has been instrumental in the Ukrainian defense. Again, I haven't seen anything particularly damning.
eptcyka 2y ago
In the car world, the abbreviation 'M3' usually refers to a BMW M3. not a Tesla Model 3.
- madcadmium 2y ago
  Yeah, I was really confused. This guy loves his BMW M3 but wants to ditch it for a Tesla?
  - theogravity 2y ago
    Ah, sorry. Haha, didn't know. Yes, I meant a Tesla Model 3.
dkjaudyeqooe 2y ago
I think you're not alone. You're not just buying a car, you're buying into a brand. You'll be seen in it often, in public, it's not like some guilty pleasure you can indulge in the privacy of your home late at night. Musk's behavior excites some, but much like Trump, who he approximates, he turns off a lot more, and arguably a proportionally greater percentage of his target market. Musk could do himself (and his shareholders) a lot of favors right now by handing over running of Tesla to someone else, but it's unlikely his ego will allow him to do that.
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marssaxman 2y ago
> I'd still be paying that $9 / mo for the connectivity What does this mean?
- theogravity 2y ago
  https://www.tesla.com/support/connectivity https://www.tesla.com/support/connectivity

zenbowman 2y ago

Beyond that, someone as emotionally brittle and allergic to criticism as he is will inevitably create a yes-men culture, which will destroy engineering discipline & lead to declining quality. No way around it. The one thing you absolutely need to preserve engineering quality is the ability to take criticism.

tw04 2y ago
What are you talking about? Removing turn signal stalks and adding a yoke with no progressive steering is engineering at its absolute finest. Do you really think Elon would just surround himself with yes men that implement stupid ideas just because he thinks it "looks cool"?
- blowski 2y ago
  > Do you really think Elon would just surround himself with yes men that implement stupid ideas just because he thinks it "looks cool"? Yes, I suspect a lot of us do think exactly that.
  - theogravity 2y ago
    I think the commenter was being sarcastic via the "Removing turn signal stalks and adding a yoke with no progressive steering is engineering at its absolute finest" remark.
    - blowski 2y ago
      I honestly struggle to tell these days.
      - theogravity 2y ago
        Me too. I use the sarcastic mark (/s) nowadays when conveying that through text.
    - tw04 2y ago
      I was definitely being sarcastic!
      - blowski 2y ago
        Sorry for taking that wrong. The fanboy logic can be so ridiculous at times that it's really hard to tell.
bmitc 2y ago
It isn't clear Tesla ever had quality. His management persona was in place day one and has very consistently made decisions that negatively affect quality, much less the real challenge of building a car company from scratch. Teslas have pretty consistently ranked low on quality rankings.

EcommerceFlow 2y ago

I would love to hear exact reasonings behind this hatred of Musk. Not typical talking points, but actual detailed examples.

ortusdux 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk
theogravity 2y ago
For me, things started going downhill when he called a diver a "pedo guy" during the cave rescue story. I get it was determined by the court to not fall under defamation, but it just left a sour taste. He loves to overpromise and underdeliver. As someone who bought FSD on his 2018 M3, it's still not in a state where I feel it can be safely used outside of a highway. I guess it's an issue of credibility here. Q-Anon promotions: https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-qanon-2024-election/ https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-qanon-2024-election/ Great replacement theory: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-great-replacement-conspiracy-theory-1234941337/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-... I don't agree with his thoughts on Ukraine / Crimea: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1576969255031296000 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1576969255031296000 I'm sure I can conjure more examples where we disagree ideologically or from my POV he's just an asshole, but it's a waste of my time to find even more specific examples and get into a potential flame war over why to hate or not hate him. The time required to find examples that don't seem like it's from a highly "biased" source is far greater than the person asking simply the question and will most likely not respond in kind. This will be my only response to the topic and I will not respond any further. Hope that helps.
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- EcommerceFlow 2y ago
  QAnon is so obviously a pun/joke on Q rumors, I'm not sure what the outrage is about. His GRT outlook is quite logical. More illegal immigrants = more votes for particular politicians, more expensive housing, and lower wages. He's been very clear he prefers extremely tight borders for illegal immigrants and hugely open ones for highly qualified legal immigrants. I think the majority of American's would agree with that. I also disagree with his Ukraine/Crimea thoughts, but it's quite logical from his viewpoint. He sees an increased risk of Nuclear War over Eastern Ukraine as not worth it, and has mentioned that a few times. I'm sure he understands his mortality and time left, and is just thinking on a civilizational level. I will point out the irony in you stating this, when Starlink has been instrumental in the Ukrainian defense. Again, I haven't seen anything particularly damning.

eptcyka 2y ago

In the car world, the abbreviation 'M3' usually refers to a BMW M3. not a Tesla Model 3.

madcadmium 2y ago
Yeah, I was really confused. This guy loves his BMW M3 but wants to ditch it for a Tesla?
- theogravity 2y ago
  Ah, sorry. Haha, didn't know. Yes, I meant a Tesla Model 3.

dkjaudyeqooe 2y ago

I think you're not alone. You're not just buying a car, you're buying into a brand. You'll be seen in it often, in public, it's not like some guilty pleasure you can indulge in the privacy of your home late at night. Musk's behavior excites some, but much like Trump, who he approximates, he turns off a lot more, and arguably a proportionally greater percentage of his target market. Musk could do himself (and his shareholders) a lot of favors right now by handing over running of Tesla to someone else, but it's unlikely his ego will allow him to do that.

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marssaxman 2y ago

> I'd still be paying that $9 / mo for the connectivity What does this mean?

theogravity 2y ago
https://www.tesla.com/support/connectivity https://www.tesla.com/support/connectivity