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"The problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have no taste and I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way" - Steve Jobs

by woranl 2y ago

shrimp_emoji 2y ago
https://youtu.be/UFcb-XF1RPQ https://youtu.be/UFcb-XF1RPQ
paxys 2y ago
Apple Finds Its Next Big Business: Showing Ads on Your iPhone (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-08-14/apple-aapl-set-to-expand-advertising-bringing-ads-to-maps-tv-and-books-apps-l6tdqqmg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-08-14/apple-...)
- notnmeyer 2y ago
  from nearly 2 years ago. where are the ads?
  - gruez 2y ago
    From the linked article: >In the News and Stocks apps, the display ads are no different than what you might get on an ad-supported website (see above). [...] >On the App Store, display ads are currently shown in the search tab in the Suggested panel. Apple will also soon expand ads to the main Today tab and within third-party app download pages. Search ads in the App Store are a bit different: Developers can pay to have their app featured in results when a user searches terms like “car racing” or “basketball,” for instance.
    - andsoitis 2y ago
      that's in content, not in a system or app menu. totally different.
      - idle_zealot 2y ago
        Except one of those "content" apps is the only way to install software.
        yreg 2y ago
        There is an obvious difference between ads in a store and ads in a start menu.
        sp332 2y ago
        I don't know of any app store (where you can pay for apps) without ads.
        ffsm8 2y ago
        ... The app store before that change? It's also showing ads for the cloud service in the settings app and will create notifications for apple arcade and apple music. You're either already a customer or you'll get ads, so yeah. iOS has ads for quiet some time now. It's just as unnecessary and annoying as Microsoft shilling for their annoying windows drive and office
        GeekyBear 2y ago
        So Google's business model of having ads in the search results was problematic even before they started spying on the whole world to enable larger profits from targeted ads?
    - skhunted 2y ago
      Also in the Apple Tv app. It suggests movies/shows to view next that require a purchase.
  - paxys 2y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40019358 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40019358 The search menu, all first party apps, app store, push notifications, even the settings pages all have ads, and the ad surface has been increasing with every update. The exact ad in this screenshot has been on iOS for many years. People who fail to acknowledge it or move the goal posts are heavily drinking the kool aid.
  - dcow 2y ago
    I get News+ stories on my home news widget that the system puts by default in the screen that you swipe all the way left to view.
  - raydev 2y ago
    Just go into the Settings app and you'll see "get Apple Arcade for free 3 months" under your name, and a bright red badge telling you your "free iCloud storage is full" and pushing you to pay for more storage, despite you disabling iCloud storage and repeatedly trying to make the badge go away. Or maybe the home screen notifications that tell you your iCloud storage is full on your lock screen. Or the pushes that try to get you to sign up for AppleTV+. Those ads.
- api 2y ago
  I have yet to see one. Not saying Apple isn’t vulnerable to the siren song if the ad industry and its relentless drive to ruin everything, but MS is quite far gone.
  - gruez 2y ago
    > I have yet to see one. I find it hard to believe you dodged the App Store ads.
    - api 2y ago
      It might be how I use my phone. I don’t install many apps, don’t use the weird search shit, and generally just use it for communication and navigation.
      - recursive 2y ago
        I don't use the start menu on my Windows box either.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
  - paxys 2y ago
    Go search for something on your phone. There's a bar with "Siri Suggestions" right up top showing apps you should install (exactly the same as this Windows screenshot). Open any first-party app on the OS (News, Stocks, Maps, Books, Fitness, Wallet and more) and every surface has ads. Go to the App Store and search for something. The top results are always ads. Go to an app page and you will see more suggested apps at the bottom. Most of the store is sponsored content. I have yet to go a few weeks without getting an unsolicited push notification asking me to subscribe to Apple Music, Apple One, Apple TV, Apple News, Fitness+, iCloud. The freaking settings app has ads for Apple services. The two companies are the same, the only real difference being that Apple users have blinders on.
    - Solvency 2y ago
- 1-6 2y ago
  Steve Jobs would have started Next2 by now
  - RattlesnakeJake 2y ago
    He could've called it NextNext!
- i386 2y ago
  What point did you want to make? They discontinued iAds. Did you just find the first google result for karma points?
  - paxys 2y ago
    Not sure what iAds is or what my post has to do with it.. Maybe open the link and read it first?
    - cherry_tree 2y ago
      When I click your link I immediately see an image with this caption: > Steve Jobs announces the since-discontinued iAd service in 2010.Photographer: David Paul Morris Maybe you could clarify what you were trying to say by posting this article? Are you suggesting that apple is engaged in similar behavior to the original post? That the quote about taste from Steve Jobs is ironic given something you took from the article? Did you just find the article relevant and really don’t have anything to say beyond its contents?
      - paxys 2y ago
        > Maybe you could clarify what you were trying to say by posting this article? Are you suggesting that apple is engaged in similar behavior to the original post Yes. There's plenty of discussion elsewhere in this thread which explains it.
        i386 2y ago
        Wrong.
bmitc 2y ago
Courtesy of Jobs and Ive, I actually think Apple has pretty bad taste. When Microsoft does hardware, it's usually quite nice and unique.
- soared 2y ago
  Agreed - iPhone ux is incredible but design is perpetually inoffensive and meh. On the other hand, Microsoft put fucking fabric on their laptops and it’s amazing.
  - bitwize 2y ago
    That's like the industrial design version of Seinfeld Isn't Funny. At one point, Apple's sleek unobtrusive design was a revolution compared to 90s and 2000s garishness. And there's something timeless about it.
FpUser 2y ago
>"The problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste." Says nanny. Sorry Steve. I need computer / OS combo to serve my needs. Not to admire. In my opinion with all their flaws Windows fares better and is more versatile for what I do. And Linux runs my business.
- probably_jesus 2y ago
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screye 2y ago
The original quote [1] is nuanced. This claim is trivially true. Microsoft is a company that says 'yes' to every feature request with no regard for how it comes together as a whole. "Everything and the kitchen sink" is not a bug, it is their MO. They don't shy away from it. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR8SAFRBmcU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR8SAFRBmcU
throwmeback 2y ago
There's something utterly amusing about posting Steve Jobs quotes under M$ critique and vice versa.

"The problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have no taste and I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way" - Steve Jobs

by woranl 2y ago

"The problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have no taste and I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way" - Steve Jobs

shrimp_emoji 2y ago

https://youtu.be/UFcb-XF1RPQ https://youtu.be/UFcb-XF1RPQ

paxys 2y ago

Apple Finds Its Next Big Business: Showing Ads on Your iPhone (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-08-14/apple-aapl-set-to-expand-advertising-bringing-ads-to-maps-tv-and-books-apps-l6tdqqmg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-08-14/apple-...)

notnmeyer 2y ago
from nearly 2 years ago. where are the ads?
- gruez 2y ago
  From the linked article: >In the News and Stocks apps, the display ads are no different than what you might get on an ad-supported website (see above). [...] >On the App Store, display ads are currently shown in the search tab in the Suggested panel. Apple will also soon expand ads to the main Today tab and within third-party app download pages. Search ads in the App Store are a bit different: Developers can pay to have their app featured in results when a user searches terms like “car racing” or “basketball,” for instance.
  - andsoitis 2y ago
    that's in content, not in a system or app menu. totally different.
    - idle_zealot 2y ago
      Except one of those "content" apps is the only way to install software.
      - yreg 2y ago
        There is an obvious difference between ads in a store and ads in a start menu.
      - sp332 2y ago
        I don't know of any app store (where you can pay for apps) without ads.
        ffsm8 2y ago
        ... The app store before that change? It's also showing ads for the cloud service in the settings app and will create notifications for apple arcade and apple music. You're either already a customer or you'll get ads, so yeah. iOS has ads for quiet some time now. It's just as unnecessary and annoying as Microsoft shilling for their annoying windows drive and office
      - GeekyBear 2y ago
        So Google's business model of having ads in the search results was problematic even before they started spying on the whole world to enable larger profits from targeted ads?
  - skhunted 2y ago
    Also in the Apple Tv app. It suggests movies/shows to view next that require a purchase.
- paxys 2y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40019358 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40019358 The search menu, all first party apps, app store, push notifications, even the settings pages all have ads, and the ad surface has been increasing with every update. The exact ad in this screenshot has been on iOS for many years. People who fail to acknowledge it or move the goal posts are heavily drinking the kool aid.
- dcow 2y ago
  I get News+ stories on my home news widget that the system puts by default in the screen that you swipe all the way left to view.
- raydev 2y ago
  Just go into the Settings app and you'll see "get Apple Arcade for free 3 months" under your name, and a bright red badge telling you your "free iCloud storage is full" and pushing you to pay for more storage, despite you disabling iCloud storage and repeatedly trying to make the badge go away. Or maybe the home screen notifications that tell you your iCloud storage is full on your lock screen. Or the pushes that try to get you to sign up for AppleTV+. Those ads.
api 2y ago
I have yet to see one. Not saying Apple isn’t vulnerable to the siren song if the ad industry and its relentless drive to ruin everything, but MS is quite far gone.
- gruez 2y ago
  > I have yet to see one. I find it hard to believe you dodged the App Store ads.
  - api 2y ago
    It might be how I use my phone. I don’t install many apps, don’t use the weird search shit, and generally just use it for communication and navigation.
    - recursive 2y ago
      I don't use the start menu on my Windows box either.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
- paxys 2y ago
  Go search for something on your phone. There's a bar with "Siri Suggestions" right up top showing apps you should install (exactly the same as this Windows screenshot). Open any first-party app on the OS (News, Stocks, Maps, Books, Fitness, Wallet and more) and every surface has ads. Go to the App Store and search for something. The top results are always ads. Go to an app page and you will see more suggested apps at the bottom. Most of the store is sponsored content. I have yet to go a few weeks without getting an unsolicited push notification asking me to subscribe to Apple Music, Apple One, Apple TV, Apple News, Fitness+, iCloud. The freaking settings app has ads for Apple services. The two companies are the same, the only real difference being that Apple users have blinders on.
  - Solvency 2y ago
1-6 2y ago
Steve Jobs would have started Next2 by now
- RattlesnakeJake 2y ago
  He could've called it NextNext!
i386 2y ago
What point did you want to make? They discontinued iAds. Did you just find the first google result for karma points?
- paxys 2y ago
  Not sure what iAds is or what my post has to do with it.. Maybe open the link and read it first?
  - cherry_tree 2y ago
    When I click your link I immediately see an image with this caption: > Steve Jobs announces the since-discontinued iAd service in 2010.Photographer: David Paul Morris Maybe you could clarify what you were trying to say by posting this article? Are you suggesting that apple is engaged in similar behavior to the original post? That the quote about taste from Steve Jobs is ironic given something you took from the article? Did you just find the article relevant and really don’t have anything to say beyond its contents?
    - paxys 2y ago
      > Maybe you could clarify what you were trying to say by posting this article? Are you suggesting that apple is engaged in similar behavior to the original post Yes. There's plenty of discussion elsewhere in this thread which explains it.
      - i386 2y ago
        Wrong.

bmitc 2y ago

Courtesy of Jobs and Ive, I actually think Apple has pretty bad taste. When Microsoft does hardware, it's usually quite nice and unique.

soared 2y ago
Agreed - iPhone ux is incredible but design is perpetually inoffensive and meh. On the other hand, Microsoft put fucking fabric on their laptops and it’s amazing.
- bitwize 2y ago
  That's like the industrial design version of Seinfeld Isn't Funny. At one point, Apple's sleek unobtrusive design was a revolution compared to 90s and 2000s garishness. And there's something timeless about it.

FpUser 2y ago

>"The problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste." Says nanny. Sorry Steve. I need computer / OS combo to serve my needs. Not to admire. In my opinion with all their flaws Windows fares better and is more versatile for what I do. And Linux runs my business.

probably_jesus 2y ago
[dead]

screye 2y ago

The original quote [1] is nuanced. This claim is trivially true. Microsoft is a company that says 'yes' to every feature request with no regard for how it comes together as a whole. "Everything and the kitchen sink" is not a bug, it is their MO. They don't shy away from it. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR8SAFRBmcU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR8SAFRBmcU

throwmeback 2y ago

There's something utterly amusing about posting Steve Jobs quotes under M$ critique and vice versa.