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Suspending a driver's license because of debt is an absolutely bone-headed idea. Who the hell thinks it makes sense at all to punish a debtor by making it hard

Suspending a driver's license because of debt is an absolutely bone-headed idea. Who the hell thinks it makes sense at all to punish a debtor by making it hard to get to work and earn money to pay off the debt? Who the hell signed this into law? It just seems like a complete "fuck you" to the poor, designed to kick them while they're down and punish them for being poor. I don't even care if the cause of the debt was outright tax fraud. Make the punishment fit the crime. If someone owes a debt to the government, garnish wages. If the debt is due to fraud, throw them in prison. But to make a sweeping law that takes away driver's licenses and most of the people affected are poor has no logical basis. It does nothing to solve the problem of unpaid debts, it merely makes them worse. EDIT: Re-reading, I notice the article doesn't state the source of the debt. If it's unpaid traffic tickets, then I do think it makes sense to suspend the license, but an afternoon of traffic school should suffice for most moving violations. If it's unpaid taxes, hell no.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
> Who the hell thinks it makes sense at all to punish a debtor by making it hard to get to work and earn money to pay off the debt? > Who the hell signed this into law? It just seems like a complete "fuck you" to the poor, designed to kick them while they're down and punish them for being poor. People who govern by inflicting suffering instead of leveraging data to encourage rational and data driven outcomes. We see this as a bug, others see this as a feature.
feoren 3y ago
> It just seems like a complete "fuck you" to the poor, designed to kick them while they're down and punish them for being poor. Yes, that is exactly the point. A huge number of laws exist only to punish people for being poor.
- kelseyfrog 3y ago
  If you'll allow a quick gripe, at the social scale, we hold an inconsistent view of work, morals, and economics. 1. Does the economic system allow for full employment. 2. If not, then it stands to reason that among the unemployed, a portion is temporarily unemployed and a portion is chronically unemployed. 3. Is it moral to blame the chronically unemployed for their unemployment if fill employment is unattainable? 4. If full employment is unattainable, and it's immoral to blame the chronically unemployed, then what purpose do unemployment punishments serve? Why make a system where someone is guaranteed to lose, and then punish the loser?
- Viliam1234 3y ago
  I guess, if the poor don't like that, they need to improve their lobbying. Also, they should eat cake.
choppaface 3y ago
> Suspending a driver's license because of debt is an absolutely bone-headed idea If the car has to be re-possessed, it's unfair to let the person keep using the vehicle (and perhaps even destroy the vehicle). Now whatever financing created the debt might have originally been predatory, but that's a separate study (probably badly needed!). Nevertheless, debt collection just wants an extra reason for a cop to pull somebody over and enforce the debt.
- SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
  The ability to drive a car and the ability to own a particular car are different.
hiatus 3y ago
> Re-reading, I notice the article doesn't state the source of the debt. If it's unpaid traffic tickets, then I do think it makes sense to suspend the license, but an afternoon of traffic school should suffice for most moving violations. If it's unpaid taxes, hell no. When I was younger, I was working three jobs to keep my head above water. I got a speeding ticket and forgot to pay it. My license was suspended. I had to not only pay the fine but to pay to reinstate my license. I could only afford to pay in installments to reinstate my license. I missed one payment and my license was suspended yet again. This is a trap that now seems crazy I could have ever fallen into, but it is a vicious cycle.
- tombert 3y ago
  I got a speeding ticket once in Orlando, Florida. I didn't forget to pay it, but they had a very strange system. I had to pay, physically, at the address listed on the ticket, which I did. After I paid it, I had to physically deliver the receipt of payment to a DMV for them to register it in the system. I paid the ticket within the time-frame, but I forgot to do the second step, and my license was suspended. I didn't realize my license was suspended until I got pulled over a few months later, and the cop informed me that I was driving without a license, and that's a felony in Florida. Apparently I also didn't have auto insurance either, because my insurance company wouldn't insure someone without a license. Fortunately for me, the cop was sympathetic to my story, and just gave me a regular speeding ticket, and the next day I had to get my sister to drive me to the DMV, and I was able to get everything sorted out (this was before Uber was a thing). I had to pay an extra $100 for my license to be reinstated. It was a huge pain in the ass, and added a lot of extra steps for something that realistically could have been solved with an email from the payment place to the DMV. I was lucky to have the vacation time banked and was able to miss work to fix this, but it would have been so much harder if I had hourly wages. I think Florida has made this less horrible now (I haven't lived there in twelve years, and I don't own a car anymore), so maybe this particular thing has been resolved, but my point is that sometimes you can have your license suspended even when you pay on time.
marcosdumay 3y ago
> If it's unpaid traffic tickets, then I do think it makes sense to suspend the license No, it still doesn't. Modern societies have a kink for adding requirements for basic survival, but at the same time decreeing those same things "privileges, not rights" so that they can deny them with minimum oversight. On places people have no other ways to move around, this is a human rights violation. Nothing less. (And yes, people should have options, that doesn't mean you can just say that out loud and take people's rights away. You have to do something if you want to use that claim.)
- SECProto 3y ago
  People get tickets for violating motor vehicle laws. These laws exist to protect all users of the road. If you can't follow the rules, you don't get to operate a vehicle that can easily kill other users. The only issue with license suspensions as a result of unpaid tickets, is that you can pay the ticket to buy your way out - an issue most places rectify by having a points system, so that drivers can't violate the law repeatedly just because they can pay. > On places people have no other ways to move around, this is a human rights violation. Nothing less. By this argument, driving tests should be illegal too. Or age limits on licensing. Or fees to renew plates or permits. If there's a "human rights violation", it's letting motorists known to repeatedly violate the law (putting my life in danger) continue to operate a vehicle.
  - ben0x539 3y ago
    You shoulda decided whether this is a "economic sanction" infraction or a "we can't let you drive for safety reason" infraction. If you decided it's the former, you shouldn't get to change it to the latter just because it turns out the driver can't pay.
    - SECProto 3y ago
      Yes, I covered that in my comment about points systems (they exist everywhere I've lived - get too many tickets and your license is suspended, regardless of if you pay it off). Unless you mean that there should be no fee to renew your license, no nandatory insurance, no gas taxes, etc?
ToucanLoucan 3y ago
> If it's unpaid traffic tickets, then I do think it makes sense to suspend the license In a society as car dependent as ours, this is tantamount to a loose house arrest sentence, and worth noting that it still falls in exactly the same way as your original point about how outrageously stupid it is to levy fines and then interfere with someone's ability to earn due to failure to pay those fines. Not to mention, in that aforementioned society, you can't not drive. So of course these people are driving illegally, and then they can be cited for that which will give a fresh case for yet more fines, more fees, and more court dates for them to miss. And before you say "well it should prevent people from breaking traffic laws!" there is in fact a wide body of evidence showing that stiffer punishments for any crime does extremely precious little to affect the rate of offense. No, it's quite clear these laws are designed to turn poor people into a steady revenue source for the cities and counties that have budgets to balance, same as it always was. It's a perfect solution: they have fewer resources to fight the tickets or the unfair circumstances, their low position in society means nobody gives a shit about them, they usually can't afford legal representation, they'll have a harder time making court dates and paying balances, and as such, municipalities get to drown them in all kinds of bullshit fees and charges, and if they still fail to pay, then they get to throw them in prison to boot. Another set of hands to work in the only method we have for legal slavery these days. This practice is fucking grotesque.
- Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
  I agree for the most part. A single traffic ticket, even unpaid, should not result in severe punishments. No loss of license, no jailtime, no additional fines, etc. It is too likely to escalate someone's existing financial problems. Would you say the same for repeat offenders? A traffic ticket that does not carry the risk of a compounding punishment might as well not exist. I can agree with ignoring one traffic ticket, but I do think a "three strikes and you're out" rule should be in place to prevent people from taking advantage of the system's leniency.
  - ToucanLoucan 3y ago
    The system doesn't have to be lenient because we want to be nice to the repeat offenders, the system has to be lenient because the infrastructure of our country is built on the presumption of everyone owning a car. Mass transit in the states is largely a fucking joke once you leave one of the major metropolitan areas (and hell, even in them depending which city we're talking). Like, I cannot overstate, as someone who lives in a smaller town in rural Wisconsin, you can't live without a car here. We have a bus service, sure. The schedule sucks and it basically takes 90 minutes minimum to get to anywhere from anywhere if you want to use it. Cycling is just straight impossible for about 5 months out of the year, and the rest of the time you have to cross roads that are not designed for bike traffic, next to drivers who are notorious for not paying attention to pedestrians, or even other cars for that matter. Like, let's say the worst case scenario is true: you have this person who is willfully bucking traffic laws on the regular, for some reason that we are not privy to. They just won't stop. Okay? What do you want to do about it? Do we imprison them for a completely non-violent offense? Do we just continue fining them? Do we take away their right to drive, and make them functionally immobile, and also completely still capable of driving illegally?
akira2501 3y ago
> Suspending a driver's license because of debt is an absolutely bone-headed idea. There are people who have money, yet won't pay debts, unless you force them to. This system ostensibly was designed to solve this problem while at the same time ignoring the impact on low income people. > If someone owes a debt to the government, garnish wages. You've never had your wages garnished, have you? If you think suspension of a drivers license, which is just a temporary paperwork condition, is somehow preferable to actual taking of up to 25% of your income from your check, I'm incredibly surprised. > designed to kick them while they're down and punish them for being poor. Finally.. you shouldn't assume that all poor people are victims of some external circumstance. It's not a uniform "class" of people you can think of this way.
- bryanrasmussen 3y ago
  >Finally.. you shouldn't assume that all poor people are victims of some external circumstance. sure, some are victims of some internal circumstance, but I can't really think of someone who is willingly poor, more like incapable of getting over their internal problem.
  - akira2501 3y ago
    > but I can't really think of someone who is willingly poor It's not an isolated choice. Their choice to be poor is usually a consequence of them deciding that some other activity is easier and better than attempting to build wealth for themselves. I've lived this way for large portions of my life. America is not fun to live in while facing this proposition, and the current climate seems to require a certain tolerance or willingness towards corruption that I personally cannot abide even though I am poorer for it. It wasn't a judgement. It's just an anecdote about how solving the problem may look quite a bit different than the frothy suggestions posted here.
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margalabargala 3y ago
> Re-reading, I notice the article doesn't state the source of the debt. If it's unpaid traffic tickets, then I do think it makes sense to suspend the license, but an afternoon of traffic school should suffice for most moving violations. If it's unpaid taxes, hell no. From the article: > From 2016 through 2020, the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles (BMV) and third-party creditors levied an average of about $150 million in charges and fees related to DRS [...] Third party creditors are permitted to [ab]use this system. Sounds like it's not just traffic tickets.
delecti 3y ago
This happened to my dad ~20 years ago. His debt was unpaid child support, because he lost his job. In a sense the debt was owed "to me", and that punishment didn't help the situation worth a damn.
- bilbo0s 3y ago
  I don't even know what to say about that. Unpaid child support due to a lost job should be self explanatory. Not sure: A - Why taking your father's license was necessary? B - How taking your father's license was supposed to help get the child support paid? (Assuming paying the child support was the ultimate goal.) Just thinking there must have been some rationale behind laws allowing that to happen. It'd be interesting to get the explanation of that rationale from those who had a hand in enacting laws like this. Because on its surface, that seems like madness.
nostromo 3y ago
> I notice the article doesn't state the source of the debt. If it's unpaid traffic tickets, then I do think it makes sense to suspend the license Yes, it's unpaid tickets and tolls. That's common in most states. If you have unpaid tickets or debts, you can't register your car. If you can't register your car, you get more tickets. I'm not sure why you changed your opinion of this being "the worst thing ever" to "it's fine" because it's based on fees instead of taxes. Either way it has the same impact on the poor.
snakeyjake 3y ago
According to Road To Nowhere, the OPLC report this article's sources (the Fines and Fees Justice Center and the Free to Drive Campaign) are based on, in 2020 there were 1,133,810 suspended drivers in the system: 22.8% (258,730) were license forfeitures. When a person is charged with a misdemeanor driving offense and either does not show up to court or fails to pay the fine. 4.8% (54,802) were judgement suspension. When a person causes property damage or personal injury due to a car crash and is fined, and does not pay the fine. 6.7% (75,906) were child support suspensions. Self explanatory. 59.9% (679,014) were non-compliance suspension. Non-compliance suspensions is when the driver is asked to provide proof of insurance at a traffic stop or scene of an accident and does not. 3.8% (43,630) were random selection suspensions. Random selection suspension is when they take a random sample of people shown in their system to not have vehicle insurance and ask them to provide proof of insurance, and then they do not. 1.9% (21,728) were security suspension. Security suspension are people with active criminal warrants. https://lasclev.org/wp-content/uploads/Road-to-Nowhere_hirez_Optimized.pdf https://lasclev.org/wp-content/uploads/Road-to-Nowhere_hirez... Additionally there are "blocks" (527,058) where a person has a valid license or registration but cannot renew it either due to an outstanding warrant (378,523) or unpaid court fines (148,538). As someone who was struck and injured by an uninsured driver, not only should uninsured drivers have their licenses suspended, any vehicle they are found operating or in possession of regardless of who owns it should be shredded and recycled with the scrap value going to a fund to compensate victims. edit: also, I have been driving for 30 years and never been issued a ticket, been at fault in a crash, or had a single insurance claim except for chipped windshields. My insurance is so low I don't even know how much it costs. It is my assertion that operating vehicle in a manner that avoids accidents, fines, and court cases is easy, especially since I'm entirely average in my abilities, and I have very little sympathy for those who cannot do so.
- matwood 3y ago
  I would consider not having liability insurance to fall under 'bad driving'.
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toomuchtodo 3y ago

> Who the hell thinks it makes sense at all to punish a debtor by making it hard to get to work and earn money to pay off the debt? > Who the hell signed this into law? It just seems like a complete "fuck you" to the poor, designed to kick them while they're down and punish them for being poor. People who govern by inflicting suffering instead of leveraging data to encourage rational and data driven outcomes. We see this as a bug, others see this as a feature.

feoren 3y ago

> It just seems like a complete "fuck you" to the poor, designed to kick them while they're down and punish them for being poor. Yes, that is exactly the point. A huge number of laws exist only to punish people for being poor.

kelseyfrog 3y ago
If you'll allow a quick gripe, at the social scale, we hold an inconsistent view of work, morals, and economics. 1. Does the economic system allow for full employment. 2. If not, then it stands to reason that among the unemployed, a portion is temporarily unemployed and a portion is chronically unemployed. 3. Is it moral to blame the chronically unemployed for their unemployment if fill employment is unattainable? 4. If full employment is unattainable, and it's immoral to blame the chronically unemployed, then what purpose do unemployment punishments serve? Why make a system where someone is guaranteed to lose, and then punish the loser?
Viliam1234 3y ago
I guess, if the poor don't like that, they need to improve their lobbying. Also, they should eat cake.

choppaface 3y ago

> Suspending a driver's license because of debt is an absolutely bone-headed idea If the car has to be re-possessed, it's unfair to let the person keep using the vehicle (and perhaps even destroy the vehicle). Now whatever financing created the debt might have originally been predatory, but that's a separate study (probably badly needed!). Nevertheless, debt collection just wants an extra reason for a cop to pull somebody over and enforce the debt.

SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
The ability to drive a car and the ability to own a particular car are different.

hiatus 3y ago

> Re-reading, I notice the article doesn't state the source of the debt. If it's unpaid traffic tickets, then I do think it makes sense to suspend the license, but an afternoon of traffic school should suffice for most moving violations. If it's unpaid taxes, hell no. When I was younger, I was working three jobs to keep my head above water. I got a speeding ticket and forgot to pay it. My license was suspended. I had to not only pay the fine but to pay to reinstate my license. I could only afford to pay in installments to reinstate my license. I missed one payment and my license was suspended yet again. This is a trap that now seems crazy I could have ever fallen into, but it is a vicious cycle.

tombert 3y ago
I got a speeding ticket once in Orlando, Florida. I didn't forget to pay it, but they had a very strange system. I had to pay, physically, at the address listed on the ticket, which I did. After I paid it, I had to physically deliver the receipt of payment to a DMV for them to register it in the system. I paid the ticket within the time-frame, but I forgot to do the second step, and my license was suspended. I didn't realize my license was suspended until I got pulled over a few months later, and the cop informed me that I was driving without a license, and that's a felony in Florida. Apparently I also didn't have auto insurance either, because my insurance company wouldn't insure someone without a license. Fortunately for me, the cop was sympathetic to my story, and just gave me a regular speeding ticket, and the next day I had to get my sister to drive me to the DMV, and I was able to get everything sorted out (this was before Uber was a thing). I had to pay an extra $100 for my license to be reinstated. It was a huge pain in the ass, and added a lot of extra steps for something that realistically could have been solved with an email from the payment place to the DMV. I was lucky to have the vacation time banked and was able to miss work to fix this, but it would have been so much harder if I had hourly wages. I think Florida has made this less horrible now (I haven't lived there in twelve years, and I don't own a car anymore), so maybe this particular thing has been resolved, but my point is that sometimes you can have your license suspended even when you pay on time.

marcosdumay 3y ago

> If it's unpaid traffic tickets, then I do think it makes sense to suspend the license No, it still doesn't. Modern societies have a kink for adding requirements for basic survival, but at the same time decreeing those same things "privileges, not rights" so that they can deny them with minimum oversight. On places people have no other ways to move around, this is a human rights violation. Nothing less. (And yes, people should have options, that doesn't mean you can just say that out loud and take people's rights away. You have to do something if you want to use that claim.)

SECProto 3y ago
People get tickets for violating motor vehicle laws. These laws exist to protect all users of the road. If you can't follow the rules, you don't get to operate a vehicle that can easily kill other users. The only issue with license suspensions as a result of unpaid tickets, is that you can pay the ticket to buy your way out - an issue most places rectify by having a points system, so that drivers can't violate the law repeatedly just because they can pay. > On places people have no other ways to move around, this is a human rights violation. Nothing less. By this argument, driving tests should be illegal too. Or age limits on licensing. Or fees to renew plates or permits. If there's a "human rights violation", it's letting motorists known to repeatedly violate the law (putting my life in danger) continue to operate a vehicle.
- ben0x539 3y ago
  You shoulda decided whether this is a "economic sanction" infraction or a "we can't let you drive for safety reason" infraction. If you decided it's the former, you shouldn't get to change it to the latter just because it turns out the driver can't pay.
  - SECProto 3y ago
    Yes, I covered that in my comment about points systems (they exist everywhere I've lived - get too many tickets and your license is suspended, regardless of if you pay it off). Unless you mean that there should be no fee to renew your license, no nandatory insurance, no gas taxes, etc?

ToucanLoucan 3y ago

> If it's unpaid traffic tickets, then I do think it makes sense to suspend the license In a society as car dependent as ours, this is tantamount to a loose house arrest sentence, and worth noting that it still falls in exactly the same way as your original point about how outrageously stupid it is to levy fines and then interfere with someone's ability to earn due to failure to pay those fines. Not to mention, in that aforementioned society, you can't not drive. So of course these people are driving illegally, and then they can be cited for that which will give a fresh case for yet more fines, more fees, and more court dates for them to miss. And before you say "well it should prevent people from breaking traffic laws!" there is in fact a wide body of evidence showing that stiffer punishments for any crime does extremely precious little to affect the rate of offense. No, it's quite clear these laws are designed to turn poor people into a steady revenue source for the cities and counties that have budgets to balance, same as it always was. It's a perfect solution: they have fewer resources to fight the tickets or the unfair circumstances, their low position in society means nobody gives a shit about them, they usually can't afford legal representation, they'll have a harder time making court dates and paying balances, and as such, municipalities get to drown them in all kinds of bullshit fees and charges, and if they still fail to pay, then they get to throw them in prison to boot. Another set of hands to work in the only method we have for legal slavery these days. This practice is fucking grotesque.

Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
I agree for the most part. A single traffic ticket, even unpaid, should not result in severe punishments. No loss of license, no jailtime, no additional fines, etc. It is too likely to escalate someone's existing financial problems. Would you say the same for repeat offenders? A traffic ticket that does not carry the risk of a compounding punishment might as well not exist. I can agree with ignoring one traffic ticket, but I do think a "three strikes and you're out" rule should be in place to prevent people from taking advantage of the system's leniency.
- ToucanLoucan 3y ago
  The system doesn't have to be lenient because we want to be nice to the repeat offenders, the system has to be lenient because the infrastructure of our country is built on the presumption of everyone owning a car. Mass transit in the states is largely a fucking joke once you leave one of the major metropolitan areas (and hell, even in them depending which city we're talking). Like, I cannot overstate, as someone who lives in a smaller town in rural Wisconsin, you can't live without a car here. We have a bus service, sure. The schedule sucks and it basically takes 90 minutes minimum to get to anywhere from anywhere if you want to use it. Cycling is just straight impossible for about 5 months out of the year, and the rest of the time you have to cross roads that are not designed for bike traffic, next to drivers who are notorious for not paying attention to pedestrians, or even other cars for that matter. Like, let's say the worst case scenario is true: you have this person who is willfully bucking traffic laws on the regular, for some reason that we are not privy to. They just won't stop. Okay? What do you want to do about it? Do we imprison them for a completely non-violent offense? Do we just continue fining them? Do we take away their right to drive, and make them functionally immobile, and also completely still capable of driving illegally?

akira2501 3y ago

> Suspending a driver's license because of debt is an absolutely bone-headed idea. There are people who have money, yet won't pay debts, unless you force them to. This system ostensibly was designed to solve this problem while at the same time ignoring the impact on low income people. > If someone owes a debt to the government, garnish wages. You've never had your wages garnished, have you? If you think suspension of a drivers license, which is just a temporary paperwork condition, is somehow preferable to actual taking of up to 25% of your income from your check, I'm incredibly surprised. > designed to kick them while they're down and punish them for being poor. Finally.. you shouldn't assume that all poor people are victims of some external circumstance. It's not a uniform "class" of people you can think of this way.

bryanrasmussen 3y ago
>Finally.. you shouldn't assume that all poor people are victims of some external circumstance. sure, some are victims of some internal circumstance, but I can't really think of someone who is willingly poor, more like incapable of getting over their internal problem.
- akira2501 3y ago
  > but I can't really think of someone who is willingly poor It's not an isolated choice. Their choice to be poor is usually a consequence of them deciding that some other activity is easier and better than attempting to build wealth for themselves. I've lived this way for large portions of my life. America is not fun to live in while facing this proposition, and the current climate seems to require a certain tolerance or willingness towards corruption that I personally cannot abide even though I am poorer for it. It wasn't a judgement. It's just an anecdote about how solving the problem may look quite a bit different than the frothy suggestions posted here.
  - pierat 3y ago
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margalabargala 3y ago

> Re-reading, I notice the article doesn't state the source of the debt. If it's unpaid traffic tickets, then I do think it makes sense to suspend the license, but an afternoon of traffic school should suffice for most moving violations. If it's unpaid taxes, hell no. From the article: > From 2016 through 2020, the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles (BMV) and third-party creditors levied an average of about $150 million in charges and fees related to DRS [...] Third party creditors are permitted to [ab]use this system. Sounds like it's not just traffic tickets.

delecti 3y ago

This happened to my dad ~20 years ago. His debt was unpaid child support, because he lost his job. In a sense the debt was owed "to me", and that punishment didn't help the situation worth a damn.

bilbo0s 3y ago
I don't even know what to say about that. Unpaid child support due to a lost job should be self explanatory. Not sure: A - Why taking your father's license was necessary? B - How taking your father's license was supposed to help get the child support paid? (Assuming paying the child support was the ultimate goal.) Just thinking there must have been some rationale behind laws allowing that to happen. It'd be interesting to get the explanation of that rationale from those who had a hand in enacting laws like this. Because on its surface, that seems like madness.

nostromo 3y ago

> I notice the article doesn't state the source of the debt. If it's unpaid traffic tickets, then I do think it makes sense to suspend the license Yes, it's unpaid tickets and tolls. That's common in most states. If you have unpaid tickets or debts, you can't register your car. If you can't register your car, you get more tickets. I'm not sure why you changed your opinion of this being "the worst thing ever" to "it's fine" because it's based on fees instead of taxes. Either way it has the same impact on the poor.

snakeyjake 3y ago

According to Road To Nowhere, the OPLC report this article's sources (the Fines and Fees Justice Center and the Free to Drive Campaign) are based on, in 2020 there were 1,133,810 suspended drivers in the system: 22.8% (258,730) were license forfeitures. When a person is charged with a misdemeanor driving offense and either does not show up to court or fails to pay the fine. 4.8% (54,802) were judgement suspension. When a person causes property damage or personal injury due to a car crash and is fined, and does not pay the fine. 6.7% (75,906) were child support suspensions. Self explanatory. 59.9% (679,014) were non-compliance suspension. Non-compliance suspensions is when the driver is asked to provide proof of insurance at a traffic stop or scene of an accident and does not. 3.8% (43,630) were random selection suspensions. Random selection suspension is when they take a random sample of people shown in their system to not have vehicle insurance and ask them to provide proof of insurance, and then they do not. 1.9% (21,728) were security suspension. Security suspension are people with active criminal warrants. https://lasclev.org/wp-content/uploads/Road-to-Nowhere_hirez_Optimized.pdf https://lasclev.org/wp-content/uploads/Road-to-Nowhere_hirez... Additionally there are "blocks" (527,058) where a person has a valid license or registration but cannot renew it either due to an outstanding warrant (378,523) or unpaid court fines (148,538). As someone who was struck and injured by an uninsured driver, not only should uninsured drivers have their licenses suspended, any vehicle they are found operating or in possession of regardless of who owns it should be shredded and recycled with the scrap value going to a fund to compensate victims. edit: also, I have been driving for 30 years and never been issued a ticket, been at fault in a crash, or had a single insurance claim except for chipped windshields. My insurance is so low I don't even know how much it costs. It is my assertion that operating vehicle in a manner that avoids accidents, fines, and court cases is easy, especially since I'm entirely average in my abilities, and I have very little sympathy for those who cannot do so.

matwood 3y ago
I would consider not having liability insurance to fall under 'bad driving'.
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