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Full AMD Linux Laptop (Radeon 7600M XT GPU, Ryzen CPU): Tuxedo Sirius 16 Review
- juujian 3y agoAnybody have some hands-on experience with Tuxedo using with any major non-Ubuntu based distribution? Say, Arch or Debian?
- jesusofnazarath 3y ago[dead]
- jlpcsl 3y agoA friend of mine has a Tuxedo Pulse 14 (if I remember correctly) and he is using openSUSE Tumbleweed with KDE Plasma on it and he sounds very happy about it.
- boudin 3y agoI have a Tuxedo Aura Gen 3 (I think), on arch. Works well, no issue to mention. Their custom kernel module and control center that goes with is is available in the aur.
- AndyPa32 3y agoI have a TUXEDO Pulse 15 - Gen1 for almost 4 years now. And I am running Debian. Works great for me.
- pmontra 3y agoThe presence of the numberpad plus the absence of physical buttons below the touchpad combo puts this laptop in my personal no buy quadrant. Those are probably non issues or actually positive features for most people (especially the buttons) but let me promote my preferences. I'm waiting for a touchpad with buttons module for the Framework laptop, then I could buy that laptop.
- happymellon 3y agoOff centred keyboard and touchpad kill it for me. Which is related to the presence of a numberpad. Not that I care about a number pad, but I dislike it making everything to the side of the screen.
- alecsm 3y agoThat's always the case when there's a numpad so you can easily move your cursor and write without barely moving your hand placement.
- cassepipe 3y agoWith the Framework 16, you can be both happy... But I don't doubt that you will both find it has other unredeemable flaws :)
- happymellon 3y agoFramework could easily be my next laptop. I love the execution and not just the concept. Unfortunately for them, I have a feeling my current Lenovo Ryzen is going to last me a good few years.
- jseliger 3y agoI don't know your financial situation but a few years is a long time to have a computer you don't like enough. Sell it on eBay and use the funds to get one you do.
- happymellon 3y agoWho says I don't like my current laptop? T14 3rd Gen, AMD Ryzen edition, 32Gb ram. It's significantly faster than my work MacBook Pro after they installed all the bullshit.
- pmontra 3y agoIt's the only show stopper for me now. I value those buttons more than the off center keyboard. I slide my laptop 1/3 to the right and keep more windows on the left side of the monitor, where they stay in front of me. Unfortunately there were no 15" laptops with buttons and no numberpad.
- ringe 3y agoLooks lovely
- azangru 3y agoWhy is it that non-macbooks are full of odd hardware compromises? For example, as follows from the video review, this laptop has huge screen bezels, bottom-firing speakers, and a crappy microphone. Why isn't there a company that would produce nearly macbook-quality laptops (albeit without the M-series ARM processor), but reliably linux-friendly?
- arnaudsm 3y agoThe latest Lenovo Yoga Pro 7 on AMD 7840U are the closest thing you can get to a Macbook, with near-M3 performance and decent Linux support, while being much cheaper. My only regret is the soldered RAM.
- jwells89 3y agoHow’s heat/noise and battery life? Those have been consistent issues in non-Apple laptop shopping.
- neogodless 3y agohttps://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Yoga-Pro-7-14-review-The-almost-perfect-ultrabook-with-AMD-Zen-3.708599.0.html#toc-6 https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Yoga-Pro-7-14-review-Th... > The new Yoga Pro 7 is extremely quiet in daily use; the fans are usually not spinning when the laptop is running basic tasks. During gaming, you can expect around 36-42 dB(A) of noise from the device, though this depends on CPU utilisation. Noise levels only went as high as 36.2 dB(A) in our stress test and remained constant at that. The Yoga Pro 7 reached a much louder 47.3 dB(A) in High Performance mode, which we think is unnecessary. Our review unit didn't give off any other electronic noises. > Our measurements indicate that the new AMD-based Yoga Pro 7 is highly efficient and uses a paltry 7.9 watts at idle with screen brightness turned all the way up and refresh rate set to 90Hz. There also aren't any issues under load: you can expect power usage to be around 60 watts during gaming. > The Yoga Pro 7 had a really strong showing, lasting nearly 10 hours at 60Hz and 9 hours at 90Hz even at max brightness. When brightness was adjusted to 150 cd/m² (equivalent to 81% of max brightness on our review unit), the device even managed to hit 13 hours in the Wi-Fi test and 15 hours during video playback.
- vilim 3y agoI am forced to use tuxedo for work. The laptops are chronically unreliable, with random freezes, shutdowns and component failures on a daily basis, even though we have recommended Ubuntu LTS installations. Their software additions are quite amateurish and the support poor. System76 or Framework are probably a better bet.
- gigatexal 3y agoI’ve a decent all AMD 14 inch one for work from Tuxedo. The webcam and mic setup is horrible. But it’s light and capable. Still I’ll likely get a MacBook and run Asahi for my home laptop as the build quality is still the best in the industry.
- organsnyder 3y agoI have a Framework 13 personal laptop and a work-provided MacBook Pro. I'd put them at about the same level when it comes to build quality: the Framework doesn't feel quite as streamlined (it's still very sleek!), while the MacBook has developed a finicky USB-C port that can't be easily repaired. Both of those issues come down to the design tradeoffs the two companies have made. If you'd run Asahi anyways, seriously consider a Framework. You'll get much more for your money, and they have people on staff dedicated to providing a good Linux experience.
- malermeister 3y agoHow's the battery life compare?
- organsnyder 3y agoI haven't used it on battery much, but the Framework definitely seems adequate. I have the AMD version, which is apparently much better than Intel. It's not going to compete with the M1 in my MacBook, but it's enough that I don't have to think about it.
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- george_sp 3y agoI'm using Tuxedo for the last year for work and it's been amazing. I've been using the InfinityBookPro. Their support is insanely good, they even helped me troubleshoot OS issues caused by my own stupidity, quite often. In terms of quality, I find that the modularity of the laptop under the hood is amazing. I can tinker and change stuff with ease. Battery lasts ~9 hours while coding, browsing, watching videos, and video calls. I will highly likely buy more for my company as needed.
- rabbitofdeath 3y agoPersonally, I'm looking forward to this from Minisforum: https://www.minisforum.com/page/v3/index.html?lang=en https://www.minisforum.com/page/v3/index.html?lang=en I don't know how well it will run linux (Pop to be specific) but I've got 3 other Minisforum AMD machines and they all run Pop great!
- agloe_dreams 3y agoThat looks frickin' awesome, any pricing ideas?
- rabbitofdeath 3y agoSadly no.
- yndoendo 3y agoAny laptop that is still 16:9 resolution is a never purchase for me. That resolution needs to go the way of the dinosaur.
- 7speter 3y ago*aspect ratio Sorry, had to say it. Has the world really moved on from 16:9? I only buy used thinkpads and am t420 and t470s deep into the 16:9 era.
- jwells89 3y agoMost of the bigger laptop manufacturers are now on 16:10 (Lenovo, Dell, ASUS) or even 5:4 or 3:2 (HP Dragonfly, MS Surface, Framework 13). Apple has been 16:10 since the early 2000s, only having made one 16:9 model (11” MBA). 16:9 is mainly hanging on in small/niche/budget models/manufacturers.
- 7speter 3y agoThe t400 I have is 16:10
- jwells89 3y agoYep, a lot of laptops were 16:10 up through the mid-late 2000s, especially workstation and business laptops. By 2010 or so that’d given way to the HD marketing craze that plagued laptops with those terrible 1366x768 panels that doggedly persisted until just a 3-4 years ago. In the case of the ThinkPad T-series, that happened when the T420 came out in early 2011.
- matt_heimer 3y agoDevelopers and many other content creators have. I held onto a 4:3 aspect ratio laptop as long as I could when 16:9 was becoming a thing. I'm typing this on a 16:10 (2560 x 1600) ThinkBook. 3:2 (2256 x 1504) is also common for smaller laptops like the Framework 13. It might not seem like much but the additional vertical space make development easier. The only time I'll accept something wider than 16:10 is an ultrawide external monitor that ends up functioning as two side by side monitors. For primarly gaming or media consumption devices I'm still fine with 16:9.
- maelito 3y agoI wonder what's the interest compared to the Framework 16 with its repairable and evolution qualities.
- ilaksh 3y agoI feel like I still need CUDA if there isn't something like an M3. Because I want to be able to experiment with LLMs and Stable Diffusion and whatever other models come out. Does llama.cpp work with Radeon? Wait.. maybe ollama and Stable Diffusion will actually work with ROCm now? I still suspect I am going to be swimming upstream if I experiment with newer or less common models on Python ML scripts on non-Nvidia hardware.
- ddtaylor 3y agoStable diffusion does work with ROCm I use it in a docker container by just changing the top line to base it off AMDs ROCm container.
- ilaksh 3y agoWhich Docker image are you talking about? There are several popular ways to use Stable Diffusion.
- ddtaylor 3y agoLet me check my Portainer. Here is a pretty out-of-the-box ready to run container that provides a web interface: https://github.com/l1na-forever/stable-diffusion-rocm-docker https://github.com/l1na-forever/stable-diffusion-rocm-docker You may have to do a few slight things to give the docker container access to your GPU. On Fedora Linux I have these packages installed related to ROCm: $ dnf list --installed | grep -i rocm rocm-smi.x86_64 5.7.1-1.fc39 @updates That's so I can run `watch rocm-smi` to see GPU utilization. Most of the ROCm stuff "just works" in the kernel now. They went through some time where there were "extra" drivers or "pro" drivers you would need to add to the kernel for some of it, but for the most part with recent-ish kernels you don't have to do a lot of custom ROCm stuff on the host machine. And you'll see in the `Dockerfile` here the change that was mae was basically this: FROM rocm/pytorch:latest Which is a docker container that AMD makes that provides a basic Pytorch environment based on Ubuntu. They provide a few different flavors of the container for different versions of various libraries and distro. Let me know if you want any help. EDIT - The last important bit of hidden information is you MAY need to set an environment variable based on which card you have. Some of the consumer cards are essentially the same as their data center cards, but they don't use the same internal names. For that reason you may have to have an environment variable like: HSA_OVERRIDE_GFX_VERSION=10.3.4 You can add that environment variable to the docker container, probably easiest using `docker-compose.yml` The exact numbers used vary by card and AMD provides a lookup table. I tried to find the table but it gave a 404 because URL changed, but you'll find a decent amount of forum posts on AMD encouraging them to go on GitHub and likewise you'll find a lot of AMD employees on GitHub willing to help. And they help with "unsupported cards" too like the AMD Radeon 6700 XT.
- WaxProlix 3y agoI've been using an ASUS TUF A16 Advantage edition (I think "Advantage" is the ASUS branding for an all-AMD version) as a Linux-first gaming and productivity laptop. It's really good! It comes with an extra m2 slot, and the RAM is easily reached. For $790 (on sale, Best Buy does them semi regularly) I got a 7735HS, a 7600S (not great but workable), and a really solid display. For another $140 I threw in 32GB of faster RAM and another TB of drive. Sub $950 pre-tax for a great linux friendly device. It's an easy recommend for anyone in the market. I think they have higher spec'd versions, too, but imho the value proposition is really in the low/mid range. I do hate the keyboard layout, but generally leave the laptop connected to an external kb as a part of the setup.
- jacooper 3y agoHow's the battery life?
- WaxProlix 3y agoNot macbook good but okay. I think 4ish hours of real world programming use, at full res and good brightness (with games less) before it gets dicey. I use an external monitor that draws from the USB C port, so that brings it closer to 2.5. Hibernation is absolutely not there, one other loss vs the macbooks.
- jacooper 3y agoYeah that's the problem, getting good battery life on Linux is quite difficult, especially since video acceleration is still a shit show.
- opengears 3y agoYou wrote '7600S (not great but workable)' - do you mind elaborating what have been the issues with it?
- opengears 3y agoHere is a longer thread on reddit discussing the Asus TUF Gaming A16 2023 Advantage Edition and some known Linux issues. https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDLaptops/comments/159mj6i/anyone_have_experience_with_asus_tuf_gaming_a16/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDLaptops/comments/159mj6i/anyone_...
- ddtaylor 3y agoGreat video, Nick! I'm not sure if you browse HN much but keep up the great videos. I have been subbed for at least 3 years and I catch most of your content.
- fsckboy 3y agothe advertising disclaimer did not cover the question, "did they send you the test unit for free? do you get to keep it? or did you go out to buy it so you are sure you did not get a selected unit?" Because if you can only afford these tests if the unit is provided to you, the channel would not exactly be fine without their support, even if you have enough other companies sending units to keep you busy. I'm not that price sensitive personally, but I wish this thing had a trackpoint.
- ddtaylor 3y agoI'm not Nick but I feel I have watched his channel long enough to answer these questions. > did they send you the test unit for free? do you get to keep it? or did you go out to buy it so you are sure you did not get a selected unit? Most of the review units for the dozens of different Linux laptops he reviews are temporary units he has to send back. Sometimes they are pre-production runs, sometimes regular consumer runs, etc. I believe he did buy a Tuxedo Slimbook a few years ago out of pocket separate from the products of theirs he has reviewed on the channel. Nick is legit though. If there is a problem with a laptop he mentions it. If the laptop is nice but pretty high priced he mentions it. If it has failures because the people making it didn't actually "try to use it" he mentions that. > Because if you can only afford these tests if the unit is provided to you, the channel would not exactly be fine without their support There are a lot of ways it could be done. By no means do we need companies to send review units to YouTubers. They are doing this because THEY are competing to get their product seen. If they are stupid enough to stop interacting with the communities that build the worlds around their products we will (a) continue to look at products by companies that aren't that stupid and (b) crowdsource the products and information ourselves. I would be willing to get say a 30% discount on a laptop if Nick wants to get it shipped to him first for review.
- AtlasBarfed 3y agoI'd like a seriously nice 16-17" laptop with a great screen, FANTASTIC battery life, expanability, huge port support.
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- tamimio 3y agoI will just thinkpad, and if I ever needed I will ssh into my server/station, I think that’s the best combo
- forevernoob 3y agoDoes it have ECC and Coreboot / Libreboot support?
- CoolCold 3y agoAm I the only one who was surprised to see video not on YouTube but on some peer-to-peer selfhosting (as I understand it)?