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Car manufacturers must be coming around on CarPlay. I made a purchasing decision largely because one of the car suitable cars supported wireless CarPlay.

mrcarruthers 3y ago
You'd think so... GM has stated that they're doing away with CarPlay and Android auto in favour of their own thing, which will most likely suck on large ways. Ford, on the other hand, came out and said that they lost that battle 10 years ago and are going to keep them.
- Tostino 3y ago
  Which rules out GM for me as an option for my next vehicle. Maybe they can make up the lost sales by data mining the rest of their customers.
- DinaCoder99 3y ago
  GM is hardly a car brand that knows what consumers give a shit about, this is just enshitification to squeeze their remaining customers.
  - itsoktocry 3y ago
    Their trucks still sell massively and the Blackwing Cadillacs are both on many 10-best lists.
    - DinaCoder99 3y ago
      Ok? That doesn't contradict anything I said.
      - vel0city 3y ago
        > GM is hardly a car brand that knows what consumers give a shit about > Their trucks still sell massively If they didn't know what people wanted, they probably wouldn't be able to sell a massive amount of them.
- hnav 3y ago
  Their own thing is Android Auto(motive) developed by Google.
- bee_rider 3y ago
  I’m pretty sure when you hand in the paperwork for creating a car company, there’s a little pledge you have to take: I will make the crappiest possible OS to include in my car. It is really bizarre that they insist on continuing to try. Just give us AUX in (stereo or usb). Cellphones can do it all now anyway. The car’s entertainment system should be about as complex as a pair of headphones.
nradov 3y ago
Tesla has never supported Apple CarPlay and their sales keep rising. GM recently dropped CarPlay from new models so we'll see how that impacts sales. https://www.motortrend.com/news/general-motors-removing-apple-carplay-android-auto-for-safety-tim-babbitt/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/general-motors-removing-appl...
- MBCook 3y ago
  In my mind Tesla is sort of special because they offered something no one else did. For a long time the only other electric cars were the volt/bolt and the leaf. None of those are performance cars in the slightest. As other brands get more and more popular in the US I wonder if the CarPlay issue will really start to hurt them. But we won’t know for a while. I’m certainly very curious to see what happens since GM was dumb enough to remove CarPlay. I expect that’s gonna hurt. But maybe I’m wrong.
- ahepp 3y ago
  I haven’t driven a Tesla, so maybe I’m way off base here, but their infotainment software seems modern and at least reasonably well designed. Legacy automakers have thoroughly demonstrated that when it comes to making a decent infotainment system they are unwilling, incapable, or some mix of the two
  - angoragoats 3y ago
    Agreed about Tesla's software being modern and most other automakers' being garbage, but I'll take physical controls for things like climate, turn signals, windshield wipers, and lighting with a side of crappy infotainment software, over slick software with everything being crammed onto the touchscreen and few (capacitive) steering wheel buttons. I don't understand how it's legal for Tesla to delete the turn-signal stalk and replace it with a pair of buttons on the steering wheel...
mmcconnell1618 3y ago
Car manufacturers have ISO standards for symbols/icons on controls: https://cdn.standards.iteh.ai/samples/68409/6480e873c14b4e56b7a0066b3ef65afc/ISO-2575-2021.pdf https://cdn.standards.iteh.ai/samples/68409/6480e873c14b4e56... One of the pain points that CarPlay and Android Auto solve for is that any car I rent or buy has the same media controls and all of my presets. When I travel for work, I try to always pick a rental vehicle that is compatible with my phone in order to reduce cognitive load of learning a new vehicle's unique controls.

mrcarruthers 3y ago

You'd think so... GM has stated that they're doing away with CarPlay and Android auto in favour of their own thing, which will most likely suck on large ways. Ford, on the other hand, came out and said that they lost that battle 10 years ago and are going to keep them.

Tostino 3y ago
Which rules out GM for me as an option for my next vehicle. Maybe they can make up the lost sales by data mining the rest of their customers.
DinaCoder99 3y ago
GM is hardly a car brand that knows what consumers give a shit about, this is just enshitification to squeeze their remaining customers.
- itsoktocry 3y ago
  Their trucks still sell massively and the Blackwing Cadillacs are both on many 10-best lists.
  - DinaCoder99 3y ago
    Ok? That doesn't contradict anything I said.
    - vel0city 3y ago
      > GM is hardly a car brand that knows what consumers give a shit about > Their trucks still sell massively If they didn't know what people wanted, they probably wouldn't be able to sell a massive amount of them.
hnav 3y ago
Their own thing is Android Auto(motive) developed by Google.
bee_rider 3y ago
I’m pretty sure when you hand in the paperwork for creating a car company, there’s a little pledge you have to take: I will make the crappiest possible OS to include in my car. It is really bizarre that they insist on continuing to try. Just give us AUX in (stereo or usb). Cellphones can do it all now anyway. The car’s entertainment system should be about as complex as a pair of headphones.

nradov 3y ago

Tesla has never supported Apple CarPlay and their sales keep rising. GM recently dropped CarPlay from new models so we'll see how that impacts sales. https://www.motortrend.com/news/general-motors-removing-apple-carplay-android-auto-for-safety-tim-babbitt/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/general-motors-removing-appl...

MBCook 3y ago
In my mind Tesla is sort of special because they offered something no one else did. For a long time the only other electric cars were the volt/bolt and the leaf. None of those are performance cars in the slightest. As other brands get more and more popular in the US I wonder if the CarPlay issue will really start to hurt them. But we won’t know for a while. I’m certainly very curious to see what happens since GM was dumb enough to remove CarPlay. I expect that’s gonna hurt. But maybe I’m wrong.
ahepp 3y ago
I haven’t driven a Tesla, so maybe I’m way off base here, but their infotainment software seems modern and at least reasonably well designed. Legacy automakers have thoroughly demonstrated that when it comes to making a decent infotainment system they are unwilling, incapable, or some mix of the two
- angoragoats 3y ago
  Agreed about Tesla's software being modern and most other automakers' being garbage, but I'll take physical controls for things like climate, turn signals, windshield wipers, and lighting with a side of crappy infotainment software, over slick software with everything being crammed onto the touchscreen and few (capacitive) steering wheel buttons. I don't understand how it's legal for Tesla to delete the turn-signal stalk and replace it with a pair of buttons on the steering wheel...

mmcconnell1618 3y ago

Car manufacturers have ISO standards for symbols/icons on controls: https://cdn.standards.iteh.ai/samples/68409/6480e873c14b4e56b7a0066b3ef65afc/ISO-2575-2021.pdf https://cdn.standards.iteh.ai/samples/68409/6480e873c14b4e56... One of the pain points that CarPlay and Android Auto solve for is that any car I rent or buy has the same media controls and all of my presets. When I travel for work, I try to always pick a rental vehicle that is compatible with my phone in order to reduce cognitive load of learning a new vehicle's unique controls.