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To be honest I've seen more than one man fall down the onlyfans rabbit hole. There's a lot of lonely men out there that are being taken advantage of and if AI c

To be honest I've seen more than one man fall down the onlyfans rabbit hole. There's a lot of lonely men out there that are being taken advantage of and if AI can help them stop getting emotionally swindled then all the more power to AI. Of course, ideally, these men should improve themselves by making more money, growing taller at the gym and getting a new jawline but for some its not an option especially since dating nowadays is more of a competition than a means to understand one another.

ethanbond 3y ago
Do you think these will be free? Seems a much better approach is to advocate for men exercising their agency and building relationships. I don’t see how dating is more a competition today than it has been historically?
- add-sub-mul-div 3y ago
  If someone thinks it's a swindle when a woman charges for access to a real person but freedom when a tech company charges for access to a bot, they're really in a competition to see who can avoid giving in to the industry that profits from putting people into that mindset.
paulryanrogers 3y ago
Gyms don't have racks for growing taller anymore. The Inquisition ruined it for everyone. Now there is only leg-breaking surgery and growth hormones.
everdrive 3y ago
It seems unlikely that AI will prevent lonely men from being swindled, and instead that it will simply be AI doing the swindling rather than real women.
- johnny22 3y ago
  it's mostly the owners of the AI software doing the swindling isn't it?
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- Voultapher 3y ago
  It's already happening https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/happy-valentines-day-romantic-ai-chatbots-dont-have-your-privacy-at-heart/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/article...
- almatabata 3y ago
  Exactly, I expect those companies will come up with micro transaction like systems to extract more money from those who use their services.
toomuchtodo 3y ago
We let people buy cigarettes, alcohol, etc. Should we not let them buy this dopamine hit also? The reality of the situation is that the dating marketplace is wildly dysfunctional now [1] [2] [3], and with women empowered and educated, they don't date down like men do [4] (women want high status, high earning men, men want younger, attractive women who can provide kids, very broadly speaking; there are only so many high status, high earning men). So, you have an entire cohort of men, through no fault of their own, who don't want to compete in a Sisyphean effort to attract a potential partner because the odds are very high they will not meet a potentially unrealistic bar [5] [6]. Shouldn't they at least get some enjoyment out of this existence if they weren't lucky to have been born a few decades earlier? Subthread where I talk about this ~2 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32430248 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32430248 | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32429544 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32429544 (thread "The rise of lonely, single men") [1] https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-g... ("Tinder Experiments II: Guys, unless you are really hot you are probably better off not wasting your time on Tinder — a quantitative socio-economic study") [2] https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/why-women-lose-the-dating-game-20120421-1xdn0.html https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/why-women-lose-the-dating-g... ("Why women lose the dating game") [3] https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/10/05/rising-share-of-u-s-adults-are-living-without-a-spouse-or-partner/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/10/05/rising-... ("Rising Share of U.S. Adults Are Living Without a Spouse or Partner") [4] https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/nov/10/dating-gap-hook-up-culture-female-graduates https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/nov/10/dating-... ("The dating gap: why the odds are stacked against female graduates finding a like-minded man") [5] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/09/20/americans-see-men-as-the-financial-providers-even-as-womens-contributions-grow/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/09/20/americans-s... ("Americans see men as the financial providers, even as women’s contributions grow") [6] https://www.americansurveycenter.org/research/from-swiping-to-sexting-the-enduring-gender-divide-in-american-dating-and-relationships/ https://www.americansurveycenter.org/research/from-swiping-t... ("From Swiping to Sexting: The Enduring Gender Divide in American Dating and Relationships") (TLDR: Macroeconomics and unrealistic expectations are causing a relationship market collapse, let people enjoy what they want vs screaming into the void about that which cannot be changed)
stemlord 3y ago
LOL
staticman2 3y ago
I've never used Onlyfans but it seems to me the issue is parasocial relationships can be unhealthy, but I don't see why Onlyfans would be worse than obsessing over a Twitch streamer, talk show host, politician, or twitter obsessed billionaire.
- amiantos 3y ago
  It isn't, there's just a lot people out there who don't like women, don't like women with power, don't like women with power over men, don't like women using their sexuality to get power/money, and really don't like women using their sexuality to get power/money from men. So they invent a lot of reasons that porn is bad and unethical, the latest one is using the phrase "parasocial" to imply that any man who pays a woman online for sexual content is being exploited or manipulated in some way, as if every man has a gambling addict between his legs that cannot be trusted. It's ridiculous and motivated entirely by sexism masquerading as puritanicalism.
  - almatabata 3y ago
    My dislike for OF does not mean I women. I do not like host clubs as well, does that mean I hate men?
raxxorraxor 3y ago
I think many men don't even try or they restrict themselves to online dating. There are a lot of women looking for partners, regardless of your jawline. Especially if you have a high level of education there seem to be a lot more women than men and intelligence equally inhibits many of them to find fitting dates. Sure, if you do online dating, better have a good resumé and some good photos.

ethanbond 3y ago

Do you think these will be free? Seems a much better approach is to advocate for men exercising their agency and building relationships. I don’t see how dating is more a competition today than it has been historically?

add-sub-mul-div 3y ago
If someone thinks it's a swindle when a woman charges for access to a real person but freedom when a tech company charges for access to a bot, they're really in a competition to see who can avoid giving in to the industry that profits from putting people into that mindset.

paulryanrogers 3y ago

Gyms don't have racks for growing taller anymore. The Inquisition ruined it for everyone. Now there is only leg-breaking surgery and growth hormones.

everdrive 3y ago

It seems unlikely that AI will prevent lonely men from being swindled, and instead that it will simply be AI doing the swindling rather than real women.

johnny22 3y ago
it's mostly the owners of the AI software doing the swindling isn't it?
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
Voultapher 3y ago
It's already happening https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/happy-valentines-day-romantic-ai-chatbots-dont-have-your-privacy-at-heart/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/article...
almatabata 3y ago
Exactly, I expect those companies will come up with micro transaction like systems to extract more money from those who use their services.

toomuchtodo 3y ago

We let people buy cigarettes, alcohol, etc. Should we not let them buy this dopamine hit also? The reality of the situation is that the dating marketplace is wildly dysfunctional now [1] [2] [3], and with women empowered and educated, they don't date down like men do [4] (women want high status, high earning men, men want younger, attractive women who can provide kids, very broadly speaking; there are only so many high status, high earning men). So, you have an entire cohort of men, through no fault of their own, who don't want to compete in a Sisyphean effort to attract a potential partner because the odds are very high they will not meet a potentially unrealistic bar [5] [6]. Shouldn't they at least get some enjoyment out of this existence if they weren't lucky to have been born a few decades earlier? Subthread where I talk about this ~2 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32430248 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32430248 | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32429544 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32429544 (thread "The rise of lonely, single men") [1] https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-g... ("Tinder Experiments II: Guys, unless you are really hot you are probably better off not wasting your time on Tinder — a quantitative socio-economic study") [2] https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/why-women-lose-the-dating-game-20120421-1xdn0.html https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/why-women-lose-the-dating-g... ("Why women lose the dating game") [3] https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/10/05/rising-share-of-u-s-adults-are-living-without-a-spouse-or-partner/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/10/05/rising-... ("Rising Share of U.S. Adults Are Living Without a Spouse or Partner") [4] https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/nov/10/dating-gap-hook-up-culture-female-graduates https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/nov/10/dating-... ("The dating gap: why the odds are stacked against female graduates finding a like-minded man") [5] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/09/20/americans-see-men-as-the-financial-providers-even-as-womens-contributions-grow/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/09/20/americans-s... ("Americans see men as the financial providers, even as women’s contributions grow") [6] https://www.americansurveycenter.org/research/from-swiping-to-sexting-the-enduring-gender-divide-in-american-dating-and-relationships/ https://www.americansurveycenter.org/research/from-swiping-t... ("From Swiping to Sexting: The Enduring Gender Divide in American Dating and Relationships") (TLDR: Macroeconomics and unrealistic expectations are causing a relationship market collapse, let people enjoy what they want vs screaming into the void about that which cannot be changed)

stemlord 3y ago

LOL

staticman2 3y ago

I've never used Onlyfans but it seems to me the issue is parasocial relationships can be unhealthy, but I don't see why Onlyfans would be worse than obsessing over a Twitch streamer, talk show host, politician, or twitter obsessed billionaire.

amiantos 3y ago
It isn't, there's just a lot people out there who don't like women, don't like women with power, don't like women with power over men, don't like women using their sexuality to get power/money, and really don't like women using their sexuality to get power/money from men. So they invent a lot of reasons that porn is bad and unethical, the latest one is using the phrase "parasocial" to imply that any man who pays a woman online for sexual content is being exploited or manipulated in some way, as if every man has a gambling addict between his legs that cannot be trusted. It's ridiculous and motivated entirely by sexism masquerading as puritanicalism.
- almatabata 3y ago
  My dislike for OF does not mean I women. I do not like host clubs as well, does that mean I hate men?

raxxorraxor 3y ago

I think many men don't even try or they restrict themselves to online dating. There are a lot of women looking for partners, regardless of your jawline. Especially if you have a high level of education there seem to be a lot more women than men and intelligence equally inhibits many of them to find fitting dates. Sure, if you do online dating, better have a good resumé and some good photos.