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$169 is a bit steep for me, so I went on Temu and bought a $8 125KHz RFID programmer & a $5 USB-C IR Blaster. Combined with my Samsung phones native NFC writing
by geor9e 3y ago
$169 is a bit steep for me, so I went on Temu and bought a $8 125KHz RFID programmer & a $5 USB-C IR Blaster. Combined with my Samsung phones native NFC writing, bluetooth, etc I feel like it scratched the itch of 90% of what people do with Flipper for 10% the cost.
- moolcool 3y agoThe M5Stack Cardputer seems like it would scratch the same itch as the Flipper Zero.
- s17n 3y agothe whole point of the flipper is the sub-1ghz radio and nfc/rfid capabilities. It's not really intended to be used as a general purpose computer, it's more like a really extensible radio
- lolinder 3y agoYeah, but for me (and I imagine a lot of people on here) the itch that Flipper Zero teases is that of a hackable computer in a neat form factor, not the specific radio capabilities that it's actually meant for. I didn't know about M5 before and now I'm hooked exploring M5's store, so I appreciate OP's pointing me there!
- s17n 3y agoI think there are a lot of better options if that's what you want. From what I've seen the appeal of the Flipper is that you can do a bunch of fun stuff with a super easy to use interface (just select the thing you want to do and press go!) It's like the iPod of radio/rfid hacking.
- lolinder 3y agoYeah, for sure—I looked at the Flipper when it first came out and decided it was overkill for me.
- grishka 3y agoAlso the 1-wire/iButton capabilities. Systems that use this kind of keys are probably nonexistent in the US, but in some other countries, they're everywhere.
- ramraj07 3y ago“1200 seems too high for a phone, so I bought a raspberry Pi and attached a 4G module now I can make calls and browse the internet”…
- thelastparadise 3y ago> “1200 seems too high for a phone, so I bought a raspberry Pi and attached a 4G module now I can make calls and browse the internet”… That actually sounds really cool...
- ThePowerOfFuet 3y agoUntil you want to take it with you when you leave the house.
- Grimblewald 3y agoBattery? A pi zero phone is a thing that works
- throwaway2037 3y agoI had no idea. Google tells me there is a sub-Reddit for it! r/ZeroPhone: ZeroPhone - a Raspberry Pi smartphone
- Krustopolis 3y agoLeave the house?
- geor9e 3y agoiPhones aren't sitting unused in a drawer forgotten like 99% of Flippers. There's nothing differentiating or polished about clicking one button versus clicking a different button to clone an RFID tag. I'd rather have cheapo version of 1 time use gizmos.
- j0hnyl 3y ago
- spookie 3y agoThe point of the flipper zero is to have one good supported gadget that has a lot of people hacking away with it. It's the same thing with the raspberry pi, sure you can get some cheap clone off less than ideal places, but you're gonna pay with your time. That's basically it.
- Scoundreller 3y agoThat's what I like about InstantPots: having a standardized cooking device makes recipes a lot easier to share.
- nonethewiser 3y agoWell sure, for pressure and slow cooking. You could say the same thing about the microwave.
- tycho-newman 3y agoChef Mike is the hardest working chef in the kitchen!
- thot_experiment 3y agoMy partner's instant pot also does toasting/air frying/normal cooking, I've been very impressed with it.
- phone8675309 3y agoFor anyone with a compatible model you can add this with a lid accessory from Instant Pot: https://instantpot.com/portfolio-item/air-fryer-lid/ https://instantpot.com/portfolio-item/air-fryer-lid/
- nathancahill 3y agoBought this to see what the hype was about. Hardly use it any more, the Instant Pot is just too small to be useful for air frying. 90% of the things come out better in the oven in convection mode. Biggest level up was just lightly dusting anything with a starch or flour (lentil flour is awesome) and then a few light sprays of olive oil.
- tkems 3y agoIf you want to go deeper with RFID and can spend a bit more (~$50), I am pretty happy with my knockoff Proxmark3 Easy [0] I got on ebay. (Do some research to find a good seller as I have heard some sellers ship bad units). It can do both 125khz and 13.25Mhz RFID/NFC and is easier to use then some of the Android apps for cracking Mifare keys. For the price, it is great for more complex attacks and almost has all the features of a full Proxmark RDV4 (minus BLE and a battery). [0] https://proxmark.com/proxmark-3-hardware/proxmark-3-easy https://proxmark.com/proxmark-3-hardware/proxmark-3-easy
- stavros 3y agoDo you have any resources for learning about RFID? I have some tokens for opening my garage door that I'd like to clone, and I'd like to know how they work.
- tkems 3y agoI would check out the Proxmark3 Github repo [0]. They have a cheatsheet [1] with the basics on how to get started. I also did a talk about RFID security last year about the basics [2] To get started, the basics are: low freq (LF) is usually around 125khz and is rarely encrypted (HID Prox is the most common in the US). The data is often encoded in Wiegand format for access control systems (something to keep in mind when reading the raw data). High freq (HF) (aka NFC) is ~13Mhz and is readable by most Android phones with NFC. Not all tag data can be read however. HF cards support a lot of different options including data storage (normally in a block layout with permissions to read and write depending on keys) and encryption (iCLASS and SEOS being the HID offerings and very common). Some can be cloned (like hotel cards) while others (like SEOS) require a downgrade attack to work correctly (SEOS -> normal SEOS reader -> Weigand data -> older style card like HID Prox). [0] https://github.com/RfidResearchGroup/proxmark3 https://github.com/RfidResearchGroup/proxmark3 [1] https://github.com/RfidResearchGroup/proxmark3/blob/master/doc/cheatsheet.md https://github.com/RfidResearchGroup/proxmark3/blob/master/d... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKOAywZqisc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKOAywZqisc
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- SV_BubbleTime 3y agoSo instead of supporting the community and a project with a specific goal, your point is that you bought a Chinese knockoff of a different product?
- mightyham 3y agoYes, gp seems to be pointing out the flippers' largest use cases can be satisfied by significantly cheaper products. They also aren't necessarily "Chinese knockoffs". It just so happens that they bought them from a Chinese online retailer, and I don't see how they could even be called knockoffs because what gp described are fairly different products from flipper.
- NavinF 3y agoRFID programmers and USB-C IR Blasters are commodities. How could they possibly be knockoffs?
- michaelteter 3y ago> I went on Temu and bought Too bad. I was sincerely hoping nobody would buy anything from them so they would die.
- camillomiller 3y agoI was thinking the same. It's a proven predatory and reckless company that can sell at these prices because of shady practices. But hey, savings!
- kvdveer 3y agoI'm not ver familiar with Temu. Are these shady practices documented somewhere, and are they worse than industry peers (aliexpress, wish, overseas ebay, etc)?
- SushiHippie 3y agohttps://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=temu&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
- fomine3 3y agohttps://github.com/davincifans101/pinduoduo_backdoor_detailed_report https://github.com/davincifans101/pinduoduo_backdoor_detaile...
- 1oooqooq 3y agono phone can act as a nfc card. your set up doesn't cover the main use case for the flipper on nfc space
- baobun 3y agoMany (most recent) smartphone models can act as NFC cards very well, with the right software.
- guitarlimeo 3y agoPhones unfortunately disallow setting the NFC UID on the hardware level (it's random each time), Flipper allows you to do anything.
- 1oooqooq 3y agoThat is kinda misleading. They can act as a very limited version of a client of a very specific and largely unused spec.
- geor9e 3y agoSure but I have dozens of blank cards and stickers I bought for a few dollars.
- tauntz 3y ago> so I went on Temu and bought a $8 125KHz RFID programmer OT but if you found it for $8 on Temu, then you can most likely find the exact same device on Aliexpress for $1 - $2. Don't feed Temu - their ads are clogging up my feeds :)