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Disney's problem is they're making trash content. Including Pixar. They need to fire some exes, not just the rank and file. Like how the fuck is Kathleen Ken
by nostromo 3y ago
Disney's problem is they're making trash content. Including Pixar. They need to fire some exes, not just the rank and file.
Like how the fuck is Kathleen Kennedy still employed? She's the reverse Midas, turning money-printing machines into dust overnight.
- ekianjo 3y ago[flagged]
- cr__ 3y agoYou should be bold and name the ideology you think that drives them.
- paulddraper 3y agoDiversity equity and inclusion
- cocacola1 3y agoWhy would something so innocuous be an issue?
- z7 3y agohttps://www.pixar.com/inclusion https://www.pixar.com/inclusion I can definitely imagine scenarios in which such diversity goals could impact commercial success on some level.
- cocacola1 3y agoI'm not so sure – I don't think it'll impact it positively or negatively. Personally, at least, it's never impacted my willingness to watch a movie. Seven Samurai is an all Japanese cast, but it's still my favorite movie of all time.
- zdragnar 3y agoThere's an entire south park episode devoted to that very topic. Why would mentioning it be bold, or obscuring it not be bold?
- wallawe 3y agoHere's a little help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89cto-IvD98 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89cto-IvD98
- johnnyanmac 3y agoIdk, I guess Lightyear is the most critically panned. But Pixar's worst is any other animation studio's mid. Elemental is one of the biggest whiplashes I've seen in animation. I didn't particularly care for it, but it may be like Turning Red where I simply wasn't the target audience. I don't want creatives to be punished for not trying to keep it safe and unoffensive to everyone.
- seanmcdirmid 3y agoI thought Elemental and Turning Red were very well done story wise (Romeo/Juliet, teen angst), they are worth multiple watches on Disney+. Encanto (Disney, but not Pixar) was brilliant, it is too bad it didn't get the theater release it deserved because of COVID. I get not being in the audience for a film. I felt like that about all the Star Wars prequels, and I spent my pre-10s on the original trilogy. I couldn't tell you what is wrong about sequels, even if they were done well I probably wouldn't be in the audience for them anymore.
- cocacola1 3y agoSaw Elemental in theaters. Liked it. Same with Strange Worlds.
- anderber 3y agoI'm not sure I still buy that. Super Mario was great. I think the Troll movies are very well done and entertaining. Despicable Me, Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs, Rio, Klaus, Iron Giant, and Studio Ghibli films are pretty good and competitive to the low-mid tier Pixar.
- cortesoft 3y agoI think the target audience is kids and their parents. As a parent of young children, I really enjoyed both Turning Red and Elemental, as did my kids. It isn't easy to make movies that kids like and want to watch but parents don't mind watching multiple times (because that's how kids do movies... multiple times) Disney still does a pretty good job of that.
- throwup238 3y agoIn the 1980s she and her husband cofounded a successful production company with Steven Spielberg. They’re basically Hollywood royalty.
- philistine 3y agoKathleen Kennedy might as well be the boogeyman with how she's uselessly vilified. She's just at the head of a one-trick poney: Star Wars is not an infinite canvas. It's this very narrow thing, that's not exceedingly popular outside North America. And do you honestly believe the CEO of Disney does not review every single major move she makes already? She's not great, but mark my words, firing her will not improve the quality of Star Wars content. Star Wars itself is stretched out.
- newsclues 3y ago[flagged]
- paulddraper 3y agoMandalorian S1 was not the problem. Rogue One was not the problem. Andor was not the problem. Everything else was.
- skydhash 3y agoReading Characters and Viewpoint by Orson S. Card and one of the main thing is that characters should answer these three points: * Why should I care? * Why is he doing that? * What is happening? IMO, most movies focus on the last one and not on the two first. They expect us to believe the answer for the first is our love for the universe and the second is "heroes good, villains bad". Which makes for a very bland story. I watched The Marvels and the most interesting thing was the sound in the theater (Dolby Audio). But I've done an all-nighter for Andor and watched it again the day after because: 1. Everyone had serious motivations which you discover during the show. 2. It was not a fairy tale 3. The story was clear and beautifylly put together. These days, I prefer having my own curated collection that I can rewatch every now and then and add the few good things that come each year.
- paulddraper 3y ago> She's just at the head of a one-trick poney A really, really big pony. Disney's biggest opportunity of the last...forever? (Tied with Marvel) And an opportunity that was squandered more than it needed to be.
- jahbrewski 3y agoAccording to Wikipedia she's produced five of the fifty highest-grossing movies in film history.
- bigyikes 3y agoI bet you too could’ve produced Star Wars and landed on that list a few times. It’s /Star Wars/.
- gkoberger 3y agoSure, but she also did ET, Jurassic Park, Indiana Jones, The Sixth Sense, Twister, War of the Worlds, Back to the Future, Lincoln, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Gremlins, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Seabiscuit, Shindler's List, The Color Purple, The Goonies, The Land Before Time and much more.
- the_doctah 3y agoAnything in the last 15 years?
- gkoberger 3y agoThe five Star Wars movies she oversaw from 2015-2019 made $5.92 billion at the box office, but let me know if that's not enough money for her to be considered successful.
- the_doctah 3y agoYou mean the ones that are widely panned, sold no merchandise, and poisoned the franchise? Those movies? I wonder about the people who defend those movies, I really do.
- cocacola1 3y agoPeople get far too much up in arms over some movies.
- gkoberger 3y agoI think Star Wars was fumbled, but she also produced/exec-produced ET, Jurassic Park, Indiana Jones, The Sixth Sense, Twister, War of the Worlds, Back to the Future, Lincoln, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Gremlins, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Seabiscuit, Shindler's List, The Color Purple, The Goonies, The Land Before Time and much more. I don't think you can have a track record like that and be bad. There's something else going on. This is a post about Pixar, and you're calling for Kathleen Kennedy (who has nothing to do with Pixar) to be fired? You may not like them, but the Star Wars projects she produced made a ton of money. The layoffs aren't because of her.
- bordercases 3y agoSpielberg perhaps?
- gkoberger 3y agoSure, but he wouldn't keep her around if she was a bad producer. Producers don't write or direct. They produce. And her Star Wars movies, even though not creatively great, made a ton of money – way more than Disney put in. She did her part of the job. (And the reason the money argument is relevant here is because OP brought her up out of nowhere on a thread about layoffs at a separate entity)
- itsoktocry 3y agoMost of those good movies listed are from 20+ years ago. Perhaps she's lost the touch. Hard to stay sharp forever.
- mixmastamyk 3y agoIf "losing the touch" is a euphemism for disrespecting the audience. Yes, that's what appears to have happened.
- stonogo 3y agoI'm not sure I buy that being a good producer translates into being a good CEO. When I read your first sentence my thought is not "well she must be a good CEO then" but is instead "wow I hope she goes back to producing, these are some all-time greats".
- pokstad 3y agoPut a chick in it and make her lame!
- JeffSnazz 3y ago> how the fuck is Kathleen Kennedy still employed I don't think it can be on any one person. The CGI in some of these latest marvel movies (looking at you, Multiverse of Madness and Wakanda Forever) looks about as good as what I see when I play my PS5 which isn't terrible, but it looks cheap and lacks physical weight you normally associate with strong acting. You don't get that kind of product without the entire pipeline fouling up and then getting pushed out overtime rather than going with delays + reshoots. Add on to this that, for instance, the creators of Multiverse of Madness weren't even aware of the plot of the Scarlet Witch and allegedly it went over the same ground as her TV show (not that I've seen it), so it seems a lot more like studio dysfunction. I've got to imagine the problem is much, much larger than just one producer—one who has been attached to some of the largest Spielberg movies of the 20th century like ET and Jurassic Park. Anyway, I'd think Kevin Fiege is far more closely tied to the decision making that appears to be hurting them right now—occasionally princess or Pixar movies miss, but they've sunk a lot of money into MCU movies that were not popular among their own fanbase, mostly due to his planning and, as I understand it from loyal fans, a lack of beloved characters returning.
- LarsDu88 3y agoRumor has it Victoria Alonso was fired over the pressure and mismanagement of the VFX on these (to be fair) many, many MCU projects.
- vineyardmike 3y ago> You don't get that kind of product without the entire pipeline fouling up and then getting pushed out overtime rather than going with delays + reshoots I have also done poor quality work before. It’s always managements fault for prioritizing speedy crap to meet some internal goal instead of prioritizing the end product. Managers need to be judged on customer satisfaction not internal OKRs and metrics.
- JeffSnazz 3y ago> It’s always managements fault for prioritizing speedy crap to meet some internal goal instead of prioritizing the end product. 100% with you there—I meant to imply a pipeline failure was a management failure of some sort.
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- dahart 3y ago> turning money-printing machines into dust overnight. What are you referring to? I just looked at the 5 Star Wars movies she has producer credits on, via Wikipedia, and not one of them demonstrates losses. The profits are in the billions and only one of the 5 movies, Solo, did less than a billion at the box office. And why are you conveniently forgetting Jar Jar Binks and blaming someone else? Lucas was making trash long before Disney got involved. I thought Force Awakens was better done than most of the franchise up to that point.