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New GeForce RTX 4080 Super, RTX 4070 Ti Super, RTX 4070 Super
- lp0_on_fire 3y agoThe important bits... > The GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER arrives January 31st, starting at $999 > The GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER launches January 24th, starting at $799 > The GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER launches January 17th, starting at $599
- stetrain 3y agoAnd they're claiming the 4070 Super provides more performance than an 3090 at lower TDP (220W vs 350W).
- kllrnohj 3y agoThe 3090 is 21% faster than a 4070, so with the 4070 SUPER having 20% more cuda cores than a 4070 then that's plausible. But it's really more a reflection on how shitty the 4070 was than anything else tbh
- alyandon 3y agoI wonder if nVidia is going to commit to providing enough stock to keep prices at or under those MSRP values.
- upon_drumhead 3y agolol, not going to happen. The low MSRP is too low for partners to make any money and so they’ll keep the prices inflated as much as the market will bare, regardless of the availability of the chips
- kllrnohj 3y agoSince crypto has crashed so much and most of these are borderline useless for AI/ML, there's not likely to be too much of an issue. The MSRP is already massively marked up.
- alyandon 3y agoConsidering the poor generational performance uplift the original 4000 series cards had vs the 3000 series - it almost seems like these super variants are what nVidia should have originally launched. :-/
- ziml77 3y agoPoor performance uplift? The 4080 is significantly faster than the 3090 with much lower power consumption!
- tagrun 3y agoRaw performance per dollar (after including inflation adjustment) has stagnated in 40 Series. A similar thing happened in 20 Series. SUPER series has been a response to rival products offering better raw performance/price released afterwards. Power consumption is a separate issue which may or may not be a concern depending on where you live.
- kllrnohj 3y agoThe 4080/4090 are outliers of the generation though unfortunately, and also are themselves still a rather typical generational gain at that. Most of the rest of the 40xx stack was either unexpectedly slow or unexpectedly expensive (or both), such that performance per dollar stayed flat or regressed
- ziml77 3y agoAh that makes sense. I don't pay close enough attention to the mid tier or the low end. I'm sure I saw at some point that there were problems with those cards but it's hard to remember when it doesn't stand out because people are negative about every GPU.
- beebeepka 3y agoIt's not always faster than the 3090, let alone "significantly", except in very specific resolutions and games. here's a review from a traditionally pro intel and nvidia outlet: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-founders-edition/5.html https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-f...
- laweijfmvo 3y ago> All three GeForce RTX 40 SUPER Series GPUs are faster than their predecessors It's weird that they're only comparing the new cards to the RTX 30's and 20's, and not the "v1" 40's. I assume the 4080 SUPER is faster than the 4080 (based on name?) but it seems cheaper and there's absolutely no comparison data
- selectodude 3y agoThey’re trying to sell to me, the owner of a fully orphaned 3070 with a measly 8GB of vram. Not a current 40 series owner.
- notJim 3y agoWhat does orphaned mean in this context?
- throwup238 3y agoThe two parent 2080s were lost in a tragic cryptocurrency mining accident when the bitcoin ceiling collapsed. Please send donations to the Aboveground Miners fund in your choice of shitcoin.
- pixelpoet 3y agoI get that it's supposed to be funny, but I wonder how many people still think bitcoin mining happens on GPUs, particularly Nvidia ones. Pretty sure that stopped being the case like 14 years ago or something? Anyway...
- throwup238 3y agoASICs didn’t really take over until around 2013 (I was designing some PCBs for one of the first ASICs in 2012)
- paulmd 3y agoLitecoin and Doge and Ethereum were mined on GPUs throughout that period. And in fact all the other coins are tied to bitcoin in the first place, bitcoin price runs also trigger huge mining booms in everything else, so yeah, it's kinda understandable that people tend to view them as a single linked thing, because they kinda are. What, precisely, is the point of making "actually you mean crypto, not bitcoin" posts, other than demonstrating that you are, indeed, "very smart"? Like, this person doesn't even exist, it's just a "heh aren't those no-coiners dumb" strawperson that you imagine to be some big dummy.
- bryanlarsen 3y agoAMD also released the 7600XT today. Not particularly interesting, but if you need/want a cheapish 16GB card you now have an option beside Intel. https://ir.amd.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1176/amd-unveils-amd-radeon-rx-7600-xt-graphics-card https://ir.amd.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1176/am...
- anonym29 3y agoKeep in mind that for local LLM inference, Nvidia's software support is qualitatively superior to AMD's, for the time being. That said, it's worth noting that AMD is catching up quickly.
- paulmd 3y agoThis is another very good release that is also being somewhat bizarrely panned too. Yeah, it's essentially a 7600 16GB/4060 16GB, and that's what people wanted a few months ago, more VRAM. It also opens up a bunch of possibilities for cheap ML (in the same way the 4060 Ti 16GB does). IMO this pretty well displaces the 4060 8GB and 16GB - it's cheaper (than even the already below-MSRP street prices) on 4060 Ti 8GB, it's way cheaper than the 16GB model. $50 over 7600 MSRP for twice the VRAM is a very fair deal, and street prices will probably float just as much as 7600 street prices have. Clearance-priced 6700XT is a great deal but 7600/7600XT is ultimately a 6600/6600XT replacement and it's not a knock on the 7600 that it doesn't have the wider memory bus/etc - it is a lower-tier product that is only in the same price tier due to clearance markdowns. I maintain that people are just mad about the whole last 5 years (since RTX launched) at this point and pretty much just give automatic thumbs-down to anything that isn't an absurdly out-of-band good product. The pandemic shortages and mining boom have embittered a fair number of people to the point I don't think they're coming back to hobby, and instead they sit on social media and complain.
- bryanlarsen 3y agoIt's tough because most of the games being benchmarked by reviewers were designed to work well on 4GB for 1080p and on 8GB high settings. So the extra VRAM doesn't help much for benchmarking. But future games are likely to run better in >8GB simply because the PS5 and XBox Series X have more than 8.
- woodson 3y agoIf you’re interested in ML training, to save you some time, RTX 4080 Super and RTX 4070 Ti Super have 16GB GDDR6X, the RTX 4070 Super has 12GB.
- eurekin 3y agoThanks! That rules them out completely EDIT: For training
- ShamelessC 3y agoAre you aware that cards containing “LLM” (40-80GB) levels of VRAM cost substantially more and the status quo for consumer cards hovers around 4-12GB, only going to 24GB for top end cards?
- eurekin 3y agoOf course
- ShamelessC 3y agoYour comment, pre-edit, had something of a severe tone given that consideration. Having said that, I've trained/finetuned image models just fine on an RTX 2070 Super with 8 GB of VRAM. This was back when doing so was more fruitful than simply training a more robust model in the first place. Given that is the current status quo - I'm curious what sort of training you're doing whole-network that actually produces results that are noticeably better than doing something few-shot during inference or doing LoRA finetuning? The latter brings you back into the realm of tuning on low-VRAM configs. In general, a single GPU's memory constraints are one of many when training a model _from scratch_. In that case, you're bottlenecked by data and data parallelism. You don't need one or a few GPU's, you need more than would fit in a consumer setup in the first place.
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- christkv 3y agoI wonder why there are no comparisons to their other series 40x0 cards?
- theandrewbailey 3y agoLikely, the improvement over 4000 cards is minimal, and they are marketing towards owners of 3000 (and older) cards to upgrade. That said, I'm curious to know how they stack up against a 4090, and if these new cards can melt wires and burn down a house as easily.
- ziml77 3y agoI didn't expect an announcement of the Supers this early in the year, nor did I expect them to be cheaper than the non-Super cards. I bought the 4080 recently with the thought that Nvidia's trend in the past 4 or 5 years has been to increase prices, so even if the Supers were announced this early in the year the performance increase would cost proportionally more money anyway. Sucks for me, but overall I'm glad that Nvidia is getting prices under control to some extent.
- paulmd 3y ago> nor did I expect them to be cheaper than the non-Super cards. to be blunt, that's because you bought into ayymd propaganda. it is so endemic that people don't even see it for what it is anymore, people are constantly bombarded with absurdly pro-AMD and absurdly anti-NVIDIA takes, it's just the sea in which we swim on social media. you should take it as a learning experience and not constantly buy into the ayymd bandwagon of the week next time. because there will absolutely be a next time - probably people will move onto the next insane thing within a few weeks here. Last year it was that the 4090 was going to be >900W... people talked themselves into thinking that a two-node shrink was going to result in zero efficiency gain. This ada gen is a dud, just wait for AMD, the 7900XTX is gonna blow the doors off! https://www.techpowerup.com/294261/nvidia-allegedly-testing-a-900-watt-tgp-ada-lovelace-ad102-gpu?cp=3 https://www.techpowerup.com/294261/nvidia-allegedly-testing-... And it's happened to RDNA3, Vega, Fury X, Zen2, etc, and against every single technology deployed via RTX or DLSS. The flip on framegen the day AMD released FSR3 was amazing, and instantly all the complaints about latency etc vanished within a single day, despite being significantly worse latency because of forced vsync/incompatibility with VRR, let alone the reflex-only baseline. "Possibly the best part of FSR now" etc. it's like the runup to the iraq war or something, there were counter-voices, but why would you want to listen to them when everybody knows the truth already? Going against the grain constantly is tiresome and frames you as an iconoclast, and even if you're right people still think you're a troublemaker for having contradicted them earlier. The people who blocked you are not gonna unblock you just because you were right. It's like trying to be the voice of reason in a failing project, even if you save the project you're still a troublemaker. So eventually the dialogue just fades into an echo chamber. It is a fast road to what was eulogized as "epistemic closure" - aka "we bandwagoned too hard and drowned out all the opposing voices, and it turns out they were correct". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemic_closure#Epistemic_closure_in_U.S._political_discussion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemic_closure#Epistemic_cl... So here we are: green man bad, everyone knows it, and this exception really only proves the rule. Now if you'll excuse me I've got some very important posts to make about how you'll never be able to buy one for MSRP anyway, like it's still 2020 or something. In fairness you are not alone, fun reading from only a few days ago etc: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38804502 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38804502
- ThrowawayTestr 3y agoIs it a good time to pick up a 3060 now or no?
- glonq 3y agoIt's never a good time to pick up a 3060. Can you stretch a bit to a 3070?
- samspenc 3y agoA 3060 12 GB version is not too bad though, it is at a reasonable enough price and has just enough VRAM to be useful for local AI / ML / LLM work.
- smoldesu 3y agoAs someone who owns an RTX 3070, why is it so special? I've found myself wishing I had the 3060 Ti for the 12gb memory, sometiemes.
- im3w1l 3y agoHave you considered an amd card? Ive seen them recommended for low and mid range builds.
- alyandon 3y agoPersonal opinion: 3060 - no 3060 Ti - yes, it still a great card that I use today However, if you can't find a 3060 Ti at a lower price point than the 4060 Ti... then I reluctantly have to say you are probably going to be better served with the 4060 Ti.
- y-c-o-m-b 3y agoMy 3080 laptop GPU can still play 99% of games at their highest settings. Or at least they did before the latest batch of nVidia drivers went to shit. It's not the hardware that's the problem. What's the point of upgrading to a 4-series when we're left with stuttering and defects from software issues? EDIT: even people on the 4-series are experiencing it https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/532929/geforce-grd-54633-feedback-thread-released-121223/3410900/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drive...
- LUmBULtERA 3y agoThere isn't usually much point in upgrading one generation in most hardware products. Typically that's wasteful in all but edge-use cases.
- haunter 3y agoAt this point I'll just wait for the 5000 series, especially the 5080. Will be out in ~12-14 months.
- diggan 3y agoGenerally a wise decision when it comes to anything that has this type of release schedule, from phones to 3D printers. Buy one generation, skip one, maybe upgrade the next, depending on relevant improvements.
- Night_Thastus 3y agoWith CPUs I'd say skip more than 1. I've been doing every 4 generations, and given how poorly Intel's 14th gen performed, I'm waiting another still. The improvements are very small in this space right now, for the most part.
- glonq 3y agoYeah I'm doing totally fine with an i7-9700K, although having 32gb sure helps. 2060Super GPU is starting to feel dated though!
- open-paren 3y ago1080ti and 8700k still goin' strong
- orenlindsey 3y agoI thought it was weird that they would release new GPUs now, but I'm not complaining. The more GPUs the better.
- Sohcahtoa82 3y ago> The more GPUs the better. I feel the exact opposite. There are too many! There are now nine models of the 4000-series, and that's not including laptop models or the cancelled 4080 12 GB. IMO, there should be 5 models at the maximum. I shouldn't have to sit here and do a bunch of research to find out if the 4070 SUPER is faster than a 4070 Ti, and whether I should go for a 4070 SUPER Ti. 4060, 4070, 4080, 4090. That's all they ever needed. Budget, mid-grade, enthusiast, top-of-the-line. That's all that's needed.
- samspenc 3y agoThey did something similar for the 30-series, I think 20-series as well. Though given that NVidia seems to release its consumer GPUs once every 2 years (20 series in late 2018, 30-series late 2020, 40 series in late 2022), I wonder if this is more of a marketing ploy - release the main series once every 2 years, but bring our "super" refreshers in the middle of the cycle to make sure you're still in the news, and get some segment of consumers / gamers to upgrade to those.
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y agomeh, I'm waiting until the Super Duper gets released.
- erik_seaberg 3y agoIt really does seem to be the same branding problem as the Dragon Ball series. How do you say “this version is more powerful than any before” after having said that a dozen times in a row?
- wnevets 3y agotoo bad it appears impossible to get a 4090 MSRP and there isn't a refresh for it.
- MichaelMug 3y agoAn as aside: Navigating the Nvidia website on mobile is incredibly frustrating. Safari on iOS makes a mess of zooming into charts and spec tables. I’m wanting to know how this would compare to a 4090…as I’m thinking of upgrading my 3080FE.
- twoWhlsGud 3y agoAll I want is a low-power passively-cooled replacement for my aging 5GB Quadro P2000 that doesn't crash out while running the new Lightroom denoise algorithms. None of these seem likely choices in that area, sigh.
- hedgehog 3y agoIs it a noise issue? If you take a newer open-air style card and lower the power limit it should be fairly quiet and still much faster than what you've got. You can also tinker with limiting the clock speed and maybe get even lower, enough that you could take the fans off.
- dartdartdart 3y agono displayport 2.1
- smrtinsert 3y agoStarting at 600? Holy cow.
- schmorptron 3y agoHoping this drives down the price for the 7800XT or older used models in the near future. That being said, these look competent enough, just stingy with VRAM still making them less desirable for longer use (4+ years) in either playing games or training models.
- Qiu_Zhanxuan 3y agoWaiting for Intel Battlemage, latest rumors says 16 GB of memory, a 256-bit wide bus, RTX 4080 level of performance in compute for 450$ MSRP. Wait and see Q3 2024. Intel software stack is more likely to challenge Nvidia's than AMD's.
- Sohcahtoa82 3y agoThat's some HUGE promises. Very much a "I'll believe it when I see it" scenario.
- fomine3 3y agoI'd like to get SUPER model to be sure to get 12V-2x6 socket instead of semi-failed 12VHPWR.