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I always found Italy as a neighboring country to have a pretty good workers' rights and an active government body that crushes foreign agents attempting to brea
by kristjank 3y ago
I always found Italy as a neighboring country to have a pretty good workers' rights and an active government body that crushes foreign agents attempting to break the status quo at the cost of the common man. Maybe that slows down the economy, but the end result seems to benefit the middle class more than in the rest of the world where the economy is basically extincting it. I imagine there's a lot that could be done to raise the economy, but it's hard to say what can be done without lowering the living standards somewhat for the majority of people.
- nradov 3y agoGovernment policies that prevent economic growth and ensure high unemployment rates do nothing to benefit the middle class. It's better to limit worker rights because that makes employers more likely to hire workers in the first place. This improves growth rates and economic mobility.
- tough 3y agoI was watching a documentary on the penal system in brazil and how companies use it to exploit them and treats inmates as a cheap right-less, tax-evasion slave workforce
- Whoppertime 3y agoBrazil was also the last country in North or South America to ban Slavery.
- tough 3y agoyou ban slavery and it rebrands itself to another name
- mistrial9 3y ago> prevent economic growth and ensure high unemployment rates odd to hear reliable Chicago-School-of-Economics "facts" spoken with such confidence, while ignoring the change of local roads to superhiways, and 100 local retail stores closing at the same time. The very nature of the consumer transaction is changing. Economic analysis at the Nation level says that daily spending by consumers is the large majority of economic growth, especially when subtracting pure-government spending programs in the analysis. Where are consumer transactions taking place? Involving what number of ordinary jobs? Consider that in the last five years, basically all retail clothing in New York City has closed. Are Milano or Rome different? There are seismic, continental changes in economy that are not addressed by simple supply-side one liners.
- nradov 3y agoWe have too much retail space as it is. Closing a lot of stores will be better for all of society in the long run. Of course, government should help impacted workers with a safety net through the transition.
- dukeyukey 3y agoThen you gotta explain places like Sweden and Germany, or why the richest, most productive US states are the ones with the strictest workers rights. Chances are it's something else.
- refurb 3y agoI mean the US has some of the highest wages and least workers rights if you come pare countries.
- dukeyukey 3y agoAbsolutely. It also has functionally infinite land, weak neighbours, incredible energy resources, isolation from any other world power, a (relatively) egalitarian culture, and the single biggest patch of good, arable land on the planet. No shit workers get paid lots in such a productive piece of territory.
- refurb 3y agoThose factors are likely irrelevant to industries like tech. And I mean Canada has all those same things and wages are much lower.
- shiroiuma 3y agoNo, Canada doesn't have those things, namely arable land. Much of Canadian land is wasteland, too cold for much agricultural use. Its economy isn't that large either (much less population), and its currency isn't a major currency worldwide.
- refurb 3y agoCanada has fertile farmland below about the 53 parallel. It’s massive.
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- CamperBob2 3y agoI always found Italy as a neighboring country to have a pretty good workers' rights and an active government body that crushes foreign agents attempting to break the status quo at the cost of the common man. It's funny how often that involves interfering with the "common man"'s own personal autonomy.
- dh2022 3y agoYeah, the current model works so well that 860,000 Italians emigrated from Italy in 10 years [0]. And their favorite destination? The UK [0]. I guess UK's lack of workers' rights is better than the Italian model for these emigrants at least... [0] https://www.istat.it/it/files//2020/05/Migrazioni_EN.pdf https://www.istat.it/it/files//2020/05/Migrazioni_EN.pdf
- imtringued 3y agoGermany had the same amount of emigration in 3.5 years and I'm only counting Germans, not migrants who left Germany.
- throw310822 3y agoAnd where did they go? I know that there are huge amounts of Italians in the UK, in Ireland, in the Netherlands, in Germany and even in Spain. I've met much fewer Germans around- it might of course be because of social circles, but my impression is that there is less emigration from Germany. Do you have any insight?