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Tampermonkey: Dev Mode will become mandatory for running userscripts in Chromium
- eimrine 3y agoI so hate the enshittification of the Internets that I have really started to move to a so-called suckless way with a lot of features/malfeatures just cut off from my attention. Modern browsers (Firefox+Chrome duopoly) are less and less welcome on my machine.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago> Firefox+Chrome duopoly Safari/WebKit has more users than Firefox, AFAIK
- eimrine 3y agoI don't know how to obtain a plausible number but Firefox is an x86 application and Safari is just a part of Apple's walled garden. Also I can not tell anything about snoop-phones because I do not use them.
- Hamuko 3y agoApple's walled garden has a lot of visitors, and everyone on iOS is forced to use Safari.
- fragmede 3y ago> I don't know how to obtain a plausible number A popular search engine like Google, or a less popular and freer, user privacy respecting search engine like DuckDuckGo, if you prefer not to use Google might help you get to stats other people have reported their websites getting, which is a rough approximation of plausible numbers. Those numbers will show you, without you having to use "snoop-phones" how many, approximately, people use Firefox. Which is about 2%.
- eimrine 3y agoWhy do you think that some random result from Google is plausible? Why not to just search a cure from cancer or Rieman's proof in Google or DDG? The snoop-phone case means that I do not want to see mobile browsers in those digits because as far as I know about them, there is no way of activating dev mode in browser on your snoop-phone, correct me please if I'm wrong.
- fragmede 3y agoUsing Google and searching for "cure for cancer", I get a result from WebMD, which states "No “alternative” or natural cancer treatments have been proven to cure cancer." Using Google again, the first result searching for Rieman Hypothesis is a result from Wikipedia, which states that the Rieman Hypothesis is currently unsolved. I believe both of these results to be plausible, thus establishing some level of credibility for using Google (for me). If you have reason to dispute both of those findings, please let me (and the world) know. Now that we've established Google results are, at least, plausible, searching for "browser market share 2023", I get a result * which states that, on desktop, which seems to be why your objection to "snoop phone", Chrome has 61%, Safari has 13%, and Firefox has 6% market share. Again, if I should not believe the results from Google about the Rieman Hypothesis or the cure for cancer, please let me know. * https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worl...
- saagarjha 3y agoWhat does Firefox’s architecture have to do with this conversation?
- jen20 3y agoUnclear, but the statement itself is also wrong - there are aarch64 binaries for Firefox, and I'm quite sure it will compile and run on a wide variety of other architectures.
- shadowgovt 3y agoThat walled garden is the size of a continent these days. It's not really the kind of thing we can just categorically discount if we're talking about a holistic picture of how people engage to the online world.
- codelikeawolf 3y agoNot sure how accurate this is, but even if it's off by several percentage points, you are definitely correct: https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share
- hospitalJail 3y agoIt makes me sad that Veblen goods dominate the tech market. Mostly sad for the human race, literally billions of humans had their inadequacy for status exploited. Capitalism is like nature. It doesnt decide who is best, it decides who is left.
- bhhaskin 3y agoThey only have more users because of IOS. Apple doesn't allow any other browser engines.
- chomp 3y agoDid you mean Chrome/Safari or Blink/Webkit duopoly? Firefox is like 2% of users on the web.
- tomxor 3y ago> Firefox is like 2% That's because everyone does tracking in the front end these days and it just gets blocked by Firefox users.
- JohnFen 3y agoThe exact figure is likely to be a little skewed by that, but I don't think it's enough to matter. At least, I rarely see anyone using Firefox anymore, when a couple of decades or so ago most people seemed to be using it.
- eimrine 3y agoI have never see even a one Tor/I2p user without Firefox and these numbers will never appear in the statistics. Probably not a big share of market but these usecases are just incompatible with Chrome and what else you consider as browser, Safari?
- sjaak 3y agoWhat browser do you use? Afaik there is no good suckless browser
- freediver 3y agoYou always get what you pay for. Try to find a browser you can actually pay for. At least you will know that incentives will be aligned.
- worksonmine 3y agoI would assume surf[0], I don't know if the suckless team makes any other browser. It's not for everyone but can be useful. [0]: https://surf.suckless.org/ https://surf.suckless.org/
- wharvle 3y agoSurf's a bit too minimal for my taste, but I found a couple of the other lightweight-ish webkit-based browsers on Linux serviceable, last I checked. My motivation was I was trying to make a crappy dual-core low-clock Celeron rooted Chromebox with 2GB of memory usable as a light-duty workstation, a couple years back. I didn't find anything not webkit-based that I tried light enough to even be in the running. Firefox wasn't remotely close (nor were close Chrome-derivatives). Even light webkit browsers were practically limited to 1-3 windows/tabs depending on the weight of the pages, before they got unusable.
- davely 3y agoCNN just started blocking visitors using ad block extensions. It’s made me stop going there. Regardless of what you think of a particular news organization, I think this is a sign of things to come. (See YouTube’s experiment with warning users using ad blockers). This will probably just make me use various sites a lot less. Which, in all honesty, is probably good for my overall mental health.
- beej71 3y agoSometimes ad blocker + no JS gets you in. But, yes, it's good your mental health to not visit those sites.
- cwbriscoe 3y agoThey haven't blocked Brave yet apparently.
- shadowgovt 3y agoCyberpunk stories tend to predict a consolidation to a "legit" net and some flavor of "underground" net, where users are both more capable and more vulnerable than their "aboveground" peers. I sort of suspect this is where we are headed. I'm also not sure it's a bad thing; people derive benefit from playing in a sandbox, and as long as the sandbox isn't the only option, there's value in providing it for those who don't, won't, or can't play the old 'net game of being a full peer online (with all the benefits of "publish whatever" and all the ills of "your machine was compromised? Sounds like a you problem").
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y agoI see little evidence that anyone wants an "underground" net. Like, how would I report them if someone made an ethnic slur on it? No, I want to live on a sanitized network SKIP AD IN 15 SECS that only allows happiness and suppresses hate.
- JasonSage 3y agoI can’t tell if this is sarcasm or genuine. I also want folks to be able to say anything on the internet, and to have agency in filtering content served to me. I’ll also pay sites that don’t abuse my humanity, to support them. Best of all worlds.
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- colpabar 3y agonext: dev mode will require a $100/yr subscription and verification
- shadowgovt 3y agoHonestly, if that happened they'd be ceding territory to Apple. One of the reasons I develop for Android and not iOS is I can do it on my personal computer with no buy-in from Google and no developer license I'm charged for. It certainly isn't because the APIs are better. Given that it's a duopoly out there, they might choose to do this. But it's not a free option; there's market-share risk involved.
- micromacrofoot 3y agowho would they lose market share to? you said it yourself that apple does the same thing... there's no other market to share
- potatopatch 3y agoChina is forcing it's manufacturers off Official Android domestically. Perhaps HarmonyOs or similar ends up with most of the developing world since Android for export phones won't be the best bang for the buck. That would put a dent in Google's ability to push API updates and further deteriorate their ability to push Google services instead of common AOSP interfaces with developers targeting a wide market.
- shwouchk 3y agoHe also stated that he chose the current platform based on pricing, and hinted that costs being equal might have made him choose otherwise. You answered your own question.
- micromacrofoot 3y agoI guess I'm dense, because I don't understand why someone would switch to apple from android because they become priced equally? why would a price driven person make a completely lateral move?
- lapcat 3y agoAlso discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38526277 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38526277
- beebeepka 3y agoIt's surprisingly hard to steer tech literate users off this cancer. They complain and complain, yet refuse to go back to FF for all sorts of nonsensical reasons which clearly boil down to "I don't want to". Well, then stick with watching ads and don't ever cry on my shoulder again. I don't care.
- DandyDev 3y agoYep, it’s so sad. Every time Firefox is mentioned, there is someone that goes like “I have tried it but it was so buggy/slow for me” And meanwhile, I’m using FF as my daily driver with zero issues. And I’m quite sensitive to buggyness or performance issues.
- beej71 3y agoAnd that should really be virtually irrelevant. Even if FF ran at half speed and used 2x battery people should still run it out of principle. (And for the record, it doesn't.)
- mitsu_at 3y agoI've been considering the switch to FF, but there have been a couple of very specific annoyances that I haven't been able to find a workaround for, so I'm stuck on Chrome for the time being... 1. When copypasting messages from discord (I do this a lot for notetaking purposes) it randomly inserts a large number of newlines into the pasted text for some reason. e.g. instead of "[8:15PM] username: message" it shows up as [ 8:15pm ] username : message 2. Also I think this may be related to the fact that I use a wacom tablet instead of a mouse and it's really hard to reproduce but sometimes when scrolling on a webpage it just randomly like. jumps to different pages in quick succession, as if it's clicking links on the page very rapidly when I scroll. None of these happen with Chrome. idk if it's a bug or just something configured weirdly on my end.
- mrguyorama 3y agoOr worse: In this very comment section is someone complaining that the CEO takes home a lot of money while the company stagnates. You know, like pretty much every midsize company out there. They took "Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good" as a personal challenge.
- michaelt 3y agoVery much on-brand for Google, the company that wanted to bring us DRM for web browsers, in the form of Web Environment Integrity, brought us DRM for web video in the form of Widevine, and wants to get rid of working adblockers with Manifest V3.
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- MyFirstSass 3y agoWe really need to sabotage Chrome somehow before the open internet will forever be destroyed. I remember people being mad about walled gardens, social media monopolies and the death of actual personal websites but it's like everyone has just given up now. It's actually incredible. Open source is an amazing concept and the talent out there should be more than enough to create alternatives, but instead Mozilla like so many other alternatives have been taken over a group of rich friends who distributes everyones money among themselves while the browser landscape rots. Mitchell Baker has received over 22 million dollars in CEO pay since 2015 while absolutely neglecting Firefox. Try to let that insane number sink in. 22 Millions should be enough to bootstrap a completely new browser, where the hell did it go? Barolo and mansions? We are in a worsening battle with plutocrats scamming the masses and leeching on so much work done by all of us.
- judge2020 3y agoInternet explorer didn't die out because it was sabotaged. It lost because Chrome was better. Make something better than Chrome. People will switch to it.
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- croes 3y agoIE didn't simply die because of better competitors. They existed already way before Chrome. But Google had the money and power to go head to head with MS.
- HappySweeney 3y agoSounds like fun, but I can't afford Widevine, and nobody will use my browser if they can only get standard def on Netflix and Youtube.
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- thyrox 3y agoIt's fascinating how we've got this double standard when it comes to Apple and Google's security moves. Take Safari on iOS, for example—it's super restrictive. You can't even use a different browser engine; everything's just a Safari wrapper. On the flip side, Google, with its Chrome and Android flexibility, gets a lot of flak for the same kind of security efforts. Bottom line is both companies are only doing it for their own greed and profits, but Apple gets a high-five for being all about privacy, while Google gets the stink eye for being too controlling. It's incredibly frustrating to see this double standard.
- croes 3y agoChrome is the web, Safari is a niche.
- beej71 3y agoThis. Or put another way, if Apple wants to do something in their private sandbox, that's one thing. But if Google wants to make changes to the core of most browsers in the world, that's something else.
- bryanrasmussen 3y agoit's almost like google has a business model where its users are the product it sells to customers and Apple doesn't
- croes 3y agoSo Apple fooled you. Apple also happens to sell hardware and software alongside its users. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1330127/apple-ad-revenue-worldwide/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1330127/apple-ad-revenue...
- theturtletalks 3y agoUntil Apple starts messing up Safari to increase that part of their business, I'll keep using it. Chrome was perfect before and didn't need more changes outside of security updates. It was "enshitified" after Google had all the market share and users locked-in. There is no incentive for Chrome to get better since their is no realistic competition. Chromium may get better since Brave and other browsers use it under the hood.
- aa_is_op 3y agoIf people think Google's monopolistic control of the browser market is bad, they should look at the email landscape.
- Shorel 3y agoNext step: YouTube refuses to play videos if Dev Mode is enabled. (We all know this is the reason, right?)
- mdaniel 3y agoI have no damn idea why Tampermonkey, which as very best I can tell is closed source <https://github.com/Tampermonkey/tampermonkey/blob/master/README.md?plain=1#L2 https://github.com/Tampermonkey/tampermonkey/blob/master/REA...>, is on the "blessed" Firefox for Android list when Violentmonkey <https://github.com/violentmonkey/violentmonkey#readme https://github.com/violentmonkey/violentmonkey#readme> is MIT, although I readily admit doesn't it have a "politically correct" name
- pcdoodle 3y agoWhat's wrong with monkey?