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Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content
- mika69 3y agoPiracy at it again.
- Libcat99 3y agoIf the vendors pirate your money, it's only fair you pirate their content.
- BSDobelix 3y agoThe problem is that the long nose of the law only points in one direction.
- zarzavat 3y agoWhen it comes to piracy the nose of the law isn't very long. Get a good VPN and don't worry about it. No idea why people want to pay money to be scammed by these media companies who see you as a number in a spreadsheet and nothing more.
- BSDobelix 3y ago>Get a good VPN and don't worry about it. The point is that one side can "legally" do that the other can not (in most countries). It's really not about the technical side of it, but the legal one.
- akomtu 3y agoThe word "legal" simply means "the wish of those in power, written down on paper." There are few exceptions, but certainly not in the copyright law.
- onetokeoverthe 3y ago[dead]
- Habgdnv 3y agoIsn't it time for a big lawsuit against some large ISPs (like Verizon) for allowing Sony to scam people like that? If there are 2 people scammed, Sony can get away with a warning, but if there is 3th - they should disconnect all Sony related servers from the internet. That should be fair.
- isk517 3y agoIt's hard to make any sort of argument towards piracy being immoral when stuff like this is allowed to happen.
- Semaphor 3y agoThis is not piracy. Piracy is duplicating content, this is theft. From what I was told by mafiaa, this should be punished harshly.
- tomjakubowski 3y agoI think GP's sardonic point was that this sort of thing is more analogous to actual piracy than torrenting is -- people are actually being deprived of things they purchased here.
- Semaphor 3y agoYeah, I got that, but I thought this was a good time to point out that this is actual theft.
- A1kmm 3y agoOr depending on the facts maybe closer to fraud in many jurisdictions. If Sony knew that they didn't have the right to allow customers to watch the content perpetually, but they intentionally deceived them by using words like 'purchase' to make them think they did, then perhaps in many jurisdictions this would be intentional deception to secure unlawful gain, i.e. fraud, on a massive scale. If this was a genuine mistake on Sony's part, and not intentional deception maybe it is more a civil product liability matter (as long as they refund customers) rather than a criminal one. Disclaimer: IANAL, not legal advice.
- ummzokbro 3y agoPiracy is an act of robbery or criminal violence by ship or boat-borne attackers upon another ship or a coastal area, typically with the goal of stealing cargo and other valuable goods.(1) This term was coopted by the MAFIAA because literal descriptions such as file sharing or unauthorized copying are not objectionable to the general public who see them as minor / insignificant and thus are not sensational enough to draw the outrage needed to enact disproportionate criminal penalties(3) and thus preserve their monopolistic(2) profits. 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy 2 - By way of ridiculously long copyright terms or distribution oligopolies / monopolies 3 - See 'conspiracy to commit' charges carrying de-facto life in prison penalties
- justsomehnguy 3y ago'puchased' About 1318 titles.
- thesnide 3y agoWith DRM you never purchase _content_. You only purchase a _license_ to access it. Words do matter. I sense possible legal grounds for reimbursments if it wasn't crystal clear to the layman.
- BSDobelix 3y agoThey wrote "previously purchased Discovery content". Should I believe you or Sony's official statement? ;) Anyway, never buy content you can't crack (make it drm-free) or even better, buy drm-free stuff from the start, but if you really want the best service with the highest quality that has the best portability go ask a pirate, it's been the same since 1600.
- aleph_minus_one 3y ago> They wrote "previously purchased Discovery content". Should I believe you or Sony's official statement? ;) You should believe that Sony is trying to scam you. :-)
- BSDobelix 3y agoNo their legal team would have wrote something like that: Your previous purchased and limited license to consume media from our partner Discovery is hereby revoked as we can written in our EULA (you have accepted that with your first setup of our excellent product THE PS5 super-slim) we love our customers and have a great day.
- mr_toad 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscionability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscionability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_promise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_promise
- DaiPlusPlus 3y ago> Anyway, never buy content you can't crack (make it drm-free) or even better, buy drm-free stuff from the start I agree entirely (in principle), but this isn't an option for certain platforms like the iOS App Store, or download-only games consoles (and I've been burned myself: most notably by EA removing their older games from the iOS App Store: not just them removing the ability to purchase old games, but even for people who had already paid for them to reinstall them (and who actually saves their IPA files? Is it even possible to install IPA files from a PC now that iTunes is dead?) This is something that can only be done by law or something - IIRC, the recent pro-consumer legislation coming from the EU doesn't address "getting-to-keep-what-we-paid-for" - I'm hoping they'll get around to that soon, along with getting protections for data-sovereignty: it's kinda shocking how many popular Apps/SaaS services out there still don't let you export your data.
- McDyver 3y ago> you will no longer be able to watch any of your previously purchased Discovery content and the content will be removed Content you purchased. Their wording. Not content you rented, not license you paid for. They are effectively stealing the content you purchased.
- nightfly 3y agoIf it lives on their servers you never really owned it.
- hanniabu 3y agoThen they should let you download it
- EA-3167 3y agoThat's my policy, one way or another I'm downloading a copy for safekeeping.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y agoThen selling it was fraud, surely. I'm not a lawyer, but I've never understood how these online storefronts haven't been sued out of existence for claiming that you can "buy" something when they clearly mean something more akin to "leasing access to it until they feel like it".
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 3y agoWake me up when Sony executives serve hard time for federal fraud charges. I’m afraid there is no justice for citizens victimized by the ownership class.
- bozhark 3y agoWe could all band together and buy Sony out of it’s self
- JohnFen 3y agoYet another example of why people shouldn't "buy" content that they don't have control over.
- ilrwbwrkhv 3y agoArrrgh forever
- ezfe 3y agoThis is why iTunes Movies are the only place I'll buy things - not because this won't ever happen, but because I can download and continue to play those movies offline so long as iTunes software continues existing.
- paxys 3y agoAll iTunes movies have DRM. Read their agreement carefully and you'll see the same thing as Sony and everyone else – they are selling you a license to the media which they can revoke at any time. And Apple has done this plenty of times in the past with movies, books, apps, music.
- ezfe 3y agoYes, but Apple doesn't revoke downloaded content. I'm fully aware they've done this before.
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- navigate8310 3y ago> ... so long as iTunes software continues existing. That's exactly where the problem lies
- ezfe 3y agoIt's been 22 years and there's no sign it's going anywhere
- Kapura 3y agoIf you want to really own something, buy physical media. Simple as.
- stavros 3y agoI just pirate. I'll stop when my rights are respected, promise.
- nickff 3y agoI’ve heard many “pirates” say similar things, and when their condition is met, they find a new demand. Why would an IP rights-holder believe you? Why not just buy physical media where available, and abstain where an acceptable legal option is not provided?
- calamari4065 3y agoWhen it's harder to legally pay for media than it is to pirate, it's your own fault when people pirate.
- stavros 3y agoYou misunderstand, I'm not trying to convince rights holders. I hope they go out of business, and I hope my piracy is what does it. It's just that, knowing myself, I know I wouldn't bother with the hassle of pirating if there were a better alternative, like I stopped pirating games and just buy them on Steam now.
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y agoI've recently started pirating again specifically because everything has been pulled off of netflix. I'm not going to be nickle & dime'd. You were getting paid for my consumption and now you're not.
- causality0 3y agoWell said. Users pirating content vs the largest companies on earth fucking users in every way they can possibly get away with is a great example of "one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic".
- 9991 3y agoWeekly reminder that if buying isn’t owning, copying can’t be stealing.
- rvz 3y agoThis is exactly why digital content under a subscription such as PlayStation Plus or Xbox Game Pass is a total scam no matter how long you have subscribed to the service. You never owned the content in the first place. Buy the physical medium.
- wmf 3y agoI don't think rentals are a scam. You know that you won't have access if you stop renting. The problem is when something is called a "purchase" but it isn't.
- Ekaros 3y agoWith those you know you are not buying them, but getting subscription. Like any other digital subscription they offer access to large library of products for pretty reasonable price. Then again a digital newspaper subscription be a scam as well if they did not offer you full permanent access to all issues released during time you subscribed.
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- tedunangst 3y agoNo complaining unless you're willing to publicly disclose which of the nine seasons of Finding Bigfoot you purchased.
- macinjosh 3y agoAll of them.
- heikkilevanto 3y agoIf I buy a book, I own that book. I can burn it, I can lend or give it to a friend, I can read it as many times as I like, and nobody can legally come and take it away from me.
- bluefirebrand 3y agoAlso no one can come and say "you only bought the book not the words inside it" and use whiteout to cover up the words. Which is basically what revoking a license to a digital only piece of content is.
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- riffic 3y agoPiracy is morally justifiable if this is the alternative.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 3y agoPiracy is always justifiable. -Aaron Swartz or something
- saiya-jin 3y agoPiracy is a complex topic, no need to reduce it into black/white trivial one. Say you grew up as poor (90% of the world easily) and buying 1 original music CD equals to a week of net salary of your hard working parents just routed to that. This was the situation of me and all my peers when I was growing up. There was simply not an option to buy it legally, unless you accepted to go few days in full hunger mode (which folks think is easy until you are actually there and would literally kill people for food, our mind is really interesting and often very rational place). So you either pirate or have nothing. Nothing was stolen with creating a copy since those money would never go to copyright owners. Now imagine computer game would require 2 or 3 weeks of similar sacrifice. Again, my choldhood/teenage years. On top of the fact you sometimes can't even buy it legally unless you commit to serious travel. Yeah, I could go on for a very long time, just my own experiences, not even involving the simple fact that in many places including my current one downloading is completely legal and laws are very much OK with that. If I ever wanted to support artists I would send them money directly, there is always a way if one is serious enough. But rich western kids want to do visible poses on trivialized topics and 'statements' to their peers even though its long term in vain and zero sum game, not wonder about deeper stuff and actually act upon it (with respect to exceptions).
- stonecharioteer 3y agoThis is what a lot of anti-piracy outfits do not understand. There is content I as an Indian can either not access because it is geographically limited or because it is just not within my means. Granted, lately the second problem has vanished. If I hadn't pirated games as a kid, I would not have bought my PS5 or my Nintendo Switch or the Steam Deck. My Steam account has, like everyone else's, a few hundred games now and it's also full of games I once pirated. Funnily enough I haven't played them after purchasing them. But I bought these so I can install them easily. I'm still mad that I cannot find a legal copy of TMNT Out of the Shadows so I have to resort to using piracy for it but that doesn't work on the deck and I need to maintain a Windows PC if I want to play it. I recently cancelled my Netflix Subscription and bought 6 8TB drives to build a NAS. I haven't gotten around to it yet but I've been downloading a couple of shows I've watched previously and miss, some of which can't be found on OTT in India. If in 2023 you are telling me I cannot watch something because I am in India or because the production company simply didn't put it on a streaming platform, that gives me impetus to pirate it. And if you have a show but without either certain episodes for the sake of censorship or if you're missing entire seasons even though it's been a year or more, that is definitely grounds for piracy. It's even worse with manga and comics. I cannot legally gain access to some manga because they're not sold here and because I can't find them online. Tachiyomi exists and I love it. Don't even get me started on how ebooks are fleecing us all. I switched to a Boox from a Kindle and I love my decision.
- radicality 3y agoI’ve noticed something strange on my iTunes account recently - missing tv shows I absolutely remember buying at one point, but nowhere to be seen now. One I remember is “Adventure Time”. Just now searched my email and found receipts from iTunes Store for “Adventure Time Vol 1” dated 22 Nov 2013. I see receipts for the other seasons of the show too, they were not rentals as far as I’m aware. Then sometime in last few years the content disappeared from my account and devices. In fact I just opened up iTunes Store now, found the Adventure Time series still available on iTunes, but it’s asking to pay and saying I don’t have. This is exactly same AppleID I used 10 years ago to buy this content ugh.
- kalleboo 3y agoDid you change countries on the account? IIRC that can remove content that has different licensing in the new country.
- qingcharles 3y agoContact their support? I'd love to know what they say.
- timcederman 3y agoI contacted support about a missing TV show and they apologised and gave 5 free rentals.
- sergiotapia 3y agoCrazy how we have beautiful technology that makes content ownership trivial, cheap and supremely easy to access -- but greedy companies take a dookie on all that potential. :( I'm at 560 movies with AV1. I started my local collection again after a long time. My family uses my Jellyfin.
- galoisscobi 3y agoWhy not refund people for their purchases then if the content is being removed?
- redder23 3y agoProud pirate, I buy some games occasionally, do not have Netshits or any other streaming service and for sure not buying a stupid console to have to play to be able to play online. God forbid buying videos on an P$ story. The fact that these dumb console people get lured into paying monthly just to play games online shows they do not deserve better. I would be unthinkable to pay to play a game online on PC, with some eceptions like WOW.
- underseacables 3y agoActions like these reinforce piracy. If you can't transfer it off to a Drive, or back it up somehow, you don't own it.
- bobse 3y agoPirates win again!
- l8_to_catch_up 3y agoPeople don't own the stuff they paid for, by design. Pirate it or get it in Blu-ray.
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- honeybadger1 3y agoJust pirate everything
- PrimeMcFly 3y agoAnother argument for piracy.
- Ekaros 3y agoIn these scenarios the company selling product should offer either full refund, or the price the product is being sold with in some other store so the customers are made whole.
- oofdoof 3y agoThis and things like inheritance when someone passes away are things that will have to be regulated since we can’t trust these companies to do the right thing. Allowing people to download what they purchased and allowing account transfers to your kids when you pass away should become legal rights.