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how can US slow down China's nuclear build out - what export controls could be applied? Also I believe that the Hualong One reactor design is based on Westingho

how can US slow down China's nuclear build out - what export controls could be applied? Also I believe that the Hualong One reactor design is based on Westinghouse IP, which might give legal / financial instrument to help fslow down China's rise

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- nat0704 3y ago
  The OP is being sarcastic. He's basically mocking the US Government's seemingly compulsive habit of trying to sanction China in any field it seems China might be dominating, pulling ahead, or able to dominate in the near or distant future.
  - borissk 3y ago
    Would the world be a better place if the US Government lets China become the dominating world super-power?
  - throwaway89416 3y ago
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nobodyandproud 3y ago
Instead of slowing down China, we should consider this a wake-up call. Instead of lazily pointing out that nuclear is “expensive”, have an honest conversation on the extraordinarily high hurdles we put in 50+ years ago. Right now even a good-faith conversation amongst experts across different industries seems impossible
- systemvoltage 3y ago
  It’s schizophrenic to see that we are realizing the problem of huge amounts of regulations and unchecked bureaucracy, and then almost all solutions on HN, no matter the topic, screams “More regulations!”. Regulations is a huge topic with lots of nuances, effectiveness and various domains; but I just see every thread on HN constantly and incessantly drumming for more Gov intervention. Switch to another thread and first knee jerk reaction, often the top voted comment is about regulations. I’m not saying at all about getting rid of regulations. They are absolutely necessary but maybe we should be a little more careful about putting them in place?
  - cft 3y ago
    It may seem counterintuitive, but in 100 years, the West may economically choke under the burden of overregulation and central planning, while China, tired of the CCP, could become a free enterprise economy.
    - aogaili 3y ago
      Region-beta paradox
    - wkat4242 3y ago
      We're already choking under that. It's why so few houses are being built for example. The NIMBYs just delay it forever.
  - vbezhenar 3y ago
    It is easy to justify the need for regulation. It is very hard to justify the removal of regulation. Someone need to take a responsibility for that. And that's a hard sell.
    - TotempaaltJ 3y ago
      > justify the removal of regulation Specifically I'd say the "refactoring" of regulation. Plenty of regulation around that has correct intent but bad implementation.
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0xDEF 3y ago
>Also I believe that the Hualong One reactor design is based on Westinghouse IP You make it sound like they stole it but they legally bought it and are building the new nuclear plants in collaboration with Westinghouse.
lithos 3y ago
The counterpoint is that pointing out to boomers that Poland and China are multiple decades ahead of us in nuclear technology, tends to make them "hungry" to invest in the technology. (They live in a thoughtset that America Exceptionalism must be real)
- rozal 3y ago
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headsupernova 3y ago
Incomprehensible to want to slow china on this front... climate collapse doesn't stop at country borders.
foverzar 3y ago
Why would you do that? This is such a weirdly common attitude to US competitors in a western bubble, but I can't figure what motivates so many people to act like such sore losers. No wonder things like BRICS start popping out. People on the receiving end will justly recognize this attitude as evil.
- berserk1010 3y ago
  OP is a CCP sympathizer who is being sarcastic. OP should probably ask (but they won't), how can US slow down China's help to Russia's terrible war on Ukraine, or theft of valuable IP in the free world, or increased aggression against Taiwan and Philippines
  - foverzar 3y ago
    > can US slow down China's help to Russia's terrible war on Ukraine If anyone actually wanted to do anything about this "terrible war", they wouldn't using peace agreements as a mean to prepare for war. If Ukraine and it's alies knowingly and willingly made a bet with peoples lives and then kept doubling down on "ceasefire is not an option" - it's only their fault for suffering the consequence and absolutely no one (including China) owes anyone any help in saving their face. Objective reality exists. No one is going to fall in line with US-centric fake moralizing, based to denying agency to everyone except guys under that flag we don't like.
  - shortsunblack 3y ago
    Not op, but I'm anti-IP. I couldn't care less for IP "theft" (ridiculuos concept it being. if two people share each an idea, they both now have two ideas. no material property is being destroyed). And as for R&D output, China already outpaces U.S. in many key sectors. Take a look at Nature's top science cities list. #1 is Beijing. Perhaps U.S. should steal some ideas of the Chinese, such as effective central planning in transportation projects (high speed rail, metro lines), transmission lines (HVDC) or energy projects (nuclear).

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nat0704 3y ago
The OP is being sarcastic. He's basically mocking the US Government's seemingly compulsive habit of trying to sanction China in any field it seems China might be dominating, pulling ahead, or able to dominate in the near or distant future.
- borissk 3y ago
  Would the world be a better place if the US Government lets China become the dominating world super-power?
- throwaway89416 3y ago
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nobodyandproud 3y ago

Instead of slowing down China, we should consider this a wake-up call. Instead of lazily pointing out that nuclear is “expensive”, have an honest conversation on the extraordinarily high hurdles we put in 50+ years ago. Right now even a good-faith conversation amongst experts across different industries seems impossible

systemvoltage 3y ago
It’s schizophrenic to see that we are realizing the problem of huge amounts of regulations and unchecked bureaucracy, and then almost all solutions on HN, no matter the topic, screams “More regulations!”. Regulations is a huge topic with lots of nuances, effectiveness and various domains; but I just see every thread on HN constantly and incessantly drumming for more Gov intervention. Switch to another thread and first knee jerk reaction, often the top voted comment is about regulations. I’m not saying at all about getting rid of regulations. They are absolutely necessary but maybe we should be a little more careful about putting them in place?
- cft 3y ago
  It may seem counterintuitive, but in 100 years, the West may economically choke under the burden of overregulation and central planning, while China, tired of the CCP, could become a free enterprise economy.
  - aogaili 3y ago
    Region-beta paradox
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    We're already choking under that. It's why so few houses are being built for example. The NIMBYs just delay it forever.
- vbezhenar 3y ago
  It is easy to justify the need for regulation. It is very hard to justify the removal of regulation. Someone need to take a responsibility for that. And that's a hard sell.
  - TotempaaltJ 3y ago
    > justify the removal of regulation Specifically I'd say the "refactoring" of regulation. Plenty of regulation around that has correct intent but bad implementation.
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0xDEF 3y ago

>Also I believe that the Hualong One reactor design is based on Westinghouse IP You make it sound like they stole it but they legally bought it and are building the new nuclear plants in collaboration with Westinghouse.

lithos 3y ago

The counterpoint is that pointing out to boomers that Poland and China are multiple decades ahead of us in nuclear technology, tends to make them "hungry" to invest in the technology. (They live in a thoughtset that America Exceptionalism must be real)

rozal 3y ago
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headsupernova 3y ago

Incomprehensible to want to slow china on this front... climate collapse doesn't stop at country borders.

foverzar 3y ago

Why would you do that? This is such a weirdly common attitude to US competitors in a western bubble, but I can't figure what motivates so many people to act like such sore losers. No wonder things like BRICS start popping out. People on the receiving end will justly recognize this attitude as evil.

berserk1010 3y ago
OP is a CCP sympathizer who is being sarcastic. OP should probably ask (but they won't), how can US slow down China's help to Russia's terrible war on Ukraine, or theft of valuable IP in the free world, or increased aggression against Taiwan and Philippines
- foverzar 3y ago
  > can US slow down China's help to Russia's terrible war on Ukraine If anyone actually wanted to do anything about this "terrible war", they wouldn't using peace agreements as a mean to prepare for war. If Ukraine and it's alies knowingly and willingly made a bet with peoples lives and then kept doubling down on "ceasefire is not an option" - it's only their fault for suffering the consequence and absolutely no one (including China) owes anyone any help in saving their face. Objective reality exists. No one is going to fall in line with US-centric fake moralizing, based to denying agency to everyone except guys under that flag we don't like.
- shortsunblack 3y ago
  Not op, but I'm anti-IP. I couldn't care less for IP "theft" (ridiculuos concept it being. if two people share each an idea, they both now have two ideas. no material property is being destroyed). And as for R&D output, China already outpaces U.S. in many key sectors. Take a look at Nature's top science cities list. #1 is Beijing. Perhaps U.S. should steal some ideas of the Chinese, such as effective central planning in transportation projects (high speed rail, metro lines), transmission lines (HVDC) or energy projects (nuclear).