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Anduril announces Roadrunner, jet-powered VTOL drone
- rootcage 3y agoATM the biggest problem for LRAD is cost, you fire a $12K Patriot missile to intercept what is either a $40 million jet or a $300 drone. This is revolutionary.
- rapsey 3y agoIs this going to be less than $12K? Looks pretty expensive to me.
- xyzzyz 3y ago$12k Patriot missile? You are off a couple whole orders of magnitude.
- yakshaving_jgt 3y agoMaybe it’s a Black Friday deal. At that price, even I would buy one!
- chaosite 3y agoIron Dome missiles reportedly cost $60k, and that is considered cheap.
- ompaLompa 3y agoA single patriot missile is estimated to cost $4 million USD https://www.cbsnews.com/news/patriot-missile-ukraine-explainer https://www.cbsnews.com/news/patriot-missile-ukraine-explain...
- slt2021 3y agoDirected energy (laser) will solve this issue, so that Patriots are only engaged for expensive planes, while lasers will destroy drones and cheap ballistic rockets
- missedthecue 3y agoThey will not solve this issue because laser weapons will not work when light is defracted (fog, heavy clouds, rain), and they will not work against targets beyond the horizon. It's not a technology hurdle, it's a physics impossibility. Interceptor missiles are here to stay. Lasers will accompany them but never replace.
- slt2021 3y agoThere is still benefit in shooting laser at a speed of light, instead of a guided rocket which travels at 2-3 Machs at best. 2 machs is ~0.686 km/s - vs 300k km/s for laser. and laser can be mounted on a plane, which makes it even more dangerous for air2air combat
- Maxion 3y agoLasers won't really be used in A2A, except for maybe intercepting missiles and drones. There's not really any A2A going on anymore within visual range.
- ElectronCharge 3y agoYou speak with certainty, when you clearly have little knowledge on the topic. Stealth aircraft are immune to targeting radar guided lock except at quite close range. IR missiles are better, but are generally not BVR. Also, at high altitude “within laser range” could be at “BVR” type ranges, e.g. over eighty km.
- Vecr 3y agoYou can (in theory) guide an air-to-air missile in at that range remotely using an optical targeting pod on the launching fighter, it's generally more risky though because you can't immediately break contact like you can with a Meteor for example. Meteor is highly resistant to ECM however, and a remote guided missile might not be. In all cases however, any laser system you can power on a fighter jet (assuming current and near future technology) will not be able to target a manned or unmanned fighter jet in a way that a remote guided missile system can't. A laser system could be useful for close range defense.
- SeanAnderson 3y agoand the drones are apparently $50k not $300!
- momojo 3y agoAre you saying this fills a niche?
- richardw 3y agoAren’t they using guns to fight cheap drones, at least for cities in Ukraine ? Eg Gepard.
- murkt 3y agoGepard is a specialized anti-air vehicle with a radar and pretty expensive shells. Very effective and cheaper than Patriot/NASAMS/IRIS-T missiles, but not really cheap. It’s mainly used on the outskirts of big cities, AFAIK. When intercepting drones and rockets in a middle of nowhere, what’s often used is a regular machine gun that’s mounted on a pickup truck.
- 15155 3y agoWhat goes up must come down, including the unexploded ordnance these systems produce. Not ideal for use in populated environments.
- m4rtink 3y agoThe better AA autocanon shells actually have a timed airburst fuze (set at firing time!) so only small fragments should be raining down (for non-dud shells).
- Maxion 3y agoUkraine is using everything that they can get their hands on - regardless of how effective it actually is. Gepards have pretty short range in comparison to any missile system.
- brotchie 3y agoVery cool, curious about $$$ vs competing platforms The Hanger that houses the Roadrunner gives me "last thing you see as Q* becomes sentient and launches the killer drones" vibes.
- JabavuAdams 3y agoThe war of the machines will look more like the Bhopal disaster, and less like a war. Of course, maybe we're already post-singularity. My memory of the before-times is pretty hazy and confused. "Reality" seems more and more like a camp Paul Verhoeven satire of reality.
- roamerz 3y agoWeapons systems used to be pretty hush hush. I wonder how much of the information you see these days is propaganda designed to mislead.
- justrealist 3y agoIt's only hush if it's already exclusively contracted to the DoD. If you're trying to sell a system, you were always hyping it up.
- gantron 3y agoThis really isn’t to sell any Roadrunners. Anduril has surely been talking to the right program offices and relevant government entities for some time now. This is more to establish the company’s general credibility & draw in new talent.
- justrealist 3y agoThat's a bold assumption. Anduril is still fighting to get a foothold in DoD the procurement processes which is dominated by the big players (LM, Boeing, Raytheon). Never under-estimate how byzantine that process is. Tbh this could be to convince people within the DoD to stop blanket rejecting their bids just because they are new and unfamiliar.
- xyzzyz 3y agohttps://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1730455543821877416 https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1730455543821877416 > Roadrunner-M has been operationally validated with an existing US Government customer.
- justrealist 3y agoThat is not the same as a purchase order!
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- numpad0 3y agoAre there reasons this fly lengthwise? Can't it be made like a boolean of rocket and katana and flown sideways?
- freeqaz 3y agoI think it does fly sideways when it is at speed. It's just VTOL when gaining speed altitude. (That is my takeaway from watching the video)
- numpad0 3y agoI mean, like B-2 standing on one wingtip. Like a giant vertical stabilizer. Takeoff with downward reverse thrust, roll and switch to rear-facing exhaust to fly, roll back into knife-edge flight on approach. Velocity vector movement could look less scary than with tail-sitters if works.
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- throwaway4good 3y agoAre these videos renders? They look good.
- dcgoss 3y agoAll real footage!
- vinay_ys 3y agoDo you work for the company?
- ansible 3y agoComputer generated video is getting better, but it isn't that good yet.
- JabavuAdams 3y agoIt's more about budget and eye, though. A skilled CG industry veteran with no time or $$$ budget and a deep immersion in in say r/combatfootage and physics could probably make something that would pass for real. It's just that all of those talents and circumstances don't really come together. Hmmm.
- tonymet 3y agowhy not just detach the warhead and save the drone?
- brotchie 3y agoToo complicated. My understanding is that you have an defensive area with ~20 of the hangers scattered around. 1. !!Incoming threat!! 2. LAUNCH ALL THE DRONES, 3. One intercepts, 4. Other loiter a while in case of additional threats, 5. Remaining drones return to base. Get the operational advantage of having many vehicles in the air, all controllable by one operator, but you recover those not used.
- Fabricio20 3y agoI guess this is the best scenario for this as far as I can tell, but as another commenter mentioned, how is this better than standard small missiles such as a normal "Iron Dome" style system? Having them "in the air" waiting doesn't seem to be that big of a help when your missile launcher can have the rocket in the air about as fast after an intercept command is issued. And small missiles are and will continue to get cheaper. Maybe the price calculation gets better for guaranteeing an intercept? Since either you assume Drone/Missile #1 is going to hit or you fire more just in case that first one misses, because waiting to see if you have a hit before firing another is not an option, and given enough delay and fast communication you could have the second drone abort and fly back after a confirmed intercept.
- grogenaut 3y agofurther you'd want to inspect them all after recovery, fix breakages, and refuel them. or as you say, just sabot one out into the sky and have it chase or die.
- hgomersall 3y agoI learnt that tactic from that well known documentary, Stargate Atlantis.
- dralley 3y ago
- aaron695 3y agoPalmer Luckey was the founder of Oculus VR Very cool aesthetic - https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FGAPMRBva0AAiF0l.jpg https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FGAPMRBva0AAiF0l.jpg Cost claim - low hundreds of thousands of dollars (I find it unlikely it'll be this low, we'll see if they can pull it off) Not sure I see the point of landing suicide drones at such a low price point.
- someperson 3y agoThe point appears to be the kinetic interceptor suicide only happens a small fraction of the time. Most usage would be the reuse case. > Roadrunner-M is a high-explosive interceptor variant of Roadrunner built for ground-based air defense that can rapidly launch, identify, intercept, and destroy a wide variety of aerial threats — or be safely recovered and relaunched at near-zero cost. (key word is the "or")
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- remarkEon 3y agoSo the emergency services use-cases seem obvious and straightforward, but rare. Can't be that big of a market for that, at least for repeat customers. Maybe I'm missing something, but I'd figure that those emergency services organizations would buy 2-3 and keep one in the field and the balance in inventory. The armed HE variant, that one does not seem that straightforward to me because I don't quite see how this is better than a small missile. Is the benefit loitering? Because a larger drone can carry several armed payloads, and loiter for much longer. Is the benefit detection? Maybe that's it, given its size. Is the benefit autonomous deployment? That probably is pretty useful. Very curious who the government customer is (JSOC?). Anyway, very cool and slick looking engineering. Edit: Luckey with some additional comments[1]. "[I]ncreases the operator’s engagement decision space" is I think maybe the key thing here, now that I think about it. The battlefield today is saturated with sensors, so giving the operator just an extra bit of time to understand the data probably is a key innovation for drone warfare. >Roadrunner-M's performance capacity is far superior than competing air defense solutions and is already an overmatch capability against current and emerging threats. Its employment methodology significantly increases the operator’s engagement decision space which is critically constrained with current capabilities. >Roadrunner-M innovations include faster launch and take-off timing, three times the warhead payload capacity, ten times the one way effective range, and is three times more maneuverable in G force, compared to similar offerings on the market. A single operator can launch and supervise multiple Roadrunner or Roadrunner-M squadrons. >Roadrunner-M can be controlled by Lattice, Anduril’s AI-powered software suite for command and control, or be fully integrated into existing air defense radars, sensors, and architectures to provide immediately deployable capability." [1] https://x.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1730466711412052138 https://x.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1730466711412052138
- Roritharr 3y agoAnduril is one of these companies I would leave my own startup for to work for. I love what they are doing.
- cm2012 3y agoSame. Just an awesome company.
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- throwaway234a 3y agoIt's not that great. I would know, I work there. The marketing is the shit though. It makes all the tech look like it's the greatest thing ever. The mentality here at this company is hack hack hack and the quality of the product reflect this. Don't expect German engineered precision. Expect products with poor quality, poor reliability and a failure rate that is very very high. What is good about this company is that we build things fast and there's not of lot of slacking going on that you see in most of the defense industry. We make things fast and cheap, but they're very poor quality. To give one example take a look at our counter UAS: https://www.anduril.com/capability/counter-uas/ https://www.anduril.com/capability/counter-uas/ Watch the video it will give you chills. What the video won't show is how ineffective this product is. The enemy sends one drone, maybe it will work. If the enemy sends 3 or 4 we're done. This shit barely works, I wouldn't trust my life with it at all. All tests and demonstrations showed utter failure and STILL even though we failed on all the tests we STILL got a contract from the government. There's for sure money changing hands behind the scenes. It also doesn't show you how crappy the UI is. You think we have a custom UI device to control this thing? No. It's react running in chrome on windows. It's also really poorly designed. The initial UI was made by some kid straight out of school and it was just poorly optimized. And despite this... The government still bought it, simply because a crap product is the only available option. And to be real with you, we can't beat China tech. In terms of the quality, price and speed ratio, China dominates anduril by a landslide. The US can dominate on quality, but we we give up speed and price as a result. And if you want quality, anduril is not at the forefront of this at all.
- jkachmar 3y ago> i, personally, would not accept money from the company actively militarizing the southern US border but that's just me food for thought, and that was even before they were advertising offensive weapons technologies of this sort.
- fastball 3y agoWhat do you want the policy to be on the US southern border?
- gantron 3y agoScattering sensors in the desert is militarizing the border? That’s an awfully dramatic characterization, no?
- mplewis 3y agoThink for a second about what the sensors will be used to do.
- kortilla 3y agoConvert the straights into gays and the gays into straights? No, they would be used to detect people crossing the border. What else would you use them for!?
- atdrummond 3y agoPrevent illegal incursions across the border? Including violent cartels, not just “migrants”?
- gantron 3y agoI fail to see how a country maintaining awareness of passages across its borders is a bad thing.
- ansible 3y agoEspecially when it comes to smuggling drugs across the border. Of course, we could fix the drug smuggling by decriminalizing drug addiction and treating it like other public health issues. But the "War on Drugs" still rages on, after decades of failure.
- memonkey 3y agoWhy? Why is this a thing? ..."and destroy a wide variety of aerial threats"... Okay, but what/who is the root problem that created this company to solve this issue? The either real or perceived threats that the United States and its media affiliations have concocted has really put a tamper on its own ability to make policy decisions that benefit its own peoples. We are spending BILLIONS of dollars on wars in other countries WHILE neglecting our own. Why do we need another private company help with this? Another question for a separate answer: why can't we spend that money on domestic issues?
- everly 3y agoSeemed pretty clear to me. Drones are a dime a dozen. Drone defense is disproportionately costly. This product's goal is to protect from drone attacks without wasting a bunch of million-dollar missiles. Regardless of one's feelings on the military-industrial complex, the use case seems relatively straightforward.
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- fastball 3y agoWe are already spending money on this type of problem. Realistically, this looks like a more cost-effective solution. So you have it completely backwards – this being a thing might actually unlock more funds for domestic issues. Of course it probably won't work out this way because the DoD doesn't just say "We bought a bunch of Anduril Roadrunner's instead of $4m Patriot missiles [or whatever] this year, so we don't need as much budget, take some back". But a company trying to come up with new solutions to existing problems (you might disagree they are real problems, but we are already spending the money regardless), is actually a good thing. Just look at SpaceX – before SpaceX, NASA had the ability to send stuff to space. But post-SpaceX, they can send more payloads at a cheaper cost. Isn't that better?
- mschuster91 3y ago> Just look at SpaceX – before SpaceX, NASA had the ability to send stuff to space. But post-SpaceX, they can send more payloads at a cheaper cost. Isn't that better? They're now at the whim of an exceedingly eccentric billionaire for their space flight stuff. If Musk one day says he doesn't want to put up satellites that can be used to threaten Russia, NASA can't do anything about it, at least immediately (as they can't just rebuild their payload to fit into ULA rockets). We've already seen that play out with Starlink. The world pre-SpaceX wasn't good either as NASA was mostly (ab)used by Congress to distribute pork, but now I think the pendulum has swung to the other side way too far - now Congress has zero control short of emergency nationalization over SpaceX.
- charcircuit 3y agoCool, but where are the specs, the release date? This product announcement doesn't have much information.
- xyzzyz 3y agoWhat kind of "release" are you talking about? You mean when it hits the shelves of Bass Pro Shops?
- charcircuit 3y ago>What kind of "release" are you talking about? When people are able to buy it. >You mean when it hits the shelves of Bass Pro Shops? I would expect an online shop like most specialty goods.
- qup 3y agoFor a drone tipped with high explosives? I gotta know, what kind of online shops do you frequent?
- charcircuit 3y agoI would expect the explosives to be sold separately. So it's more like buying a drone equipped with jet engines.
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- gnicholas 3y agoHow big is this? I couldn't tell if it was 3 feet tall or much, much larger.
- xyzzyz 3y agohttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-12-01/anduril-roadrunner-drone-killer-could-change-tactics-in-iraq-syria https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-12-01/anduril-r... has a photo with Palmer for scale.
- goalonetwo 3y agoThe whole defense industry leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Once you peel the narrative that we are supposed to be the good guys (hint: in some/most cases, we are not), you realize that you really just help to kill people.
- megous 3y agoAutonomous killing with good UI/UX is the future, you know... "Human operator supervises autonomous mission execution with intuitive UI/UX to enable increased understanding and decision advantage ." https://www.anduril.com/mission-autonomy/ https://www.anduril.com/mission-autonomy/ When AI assisted mass target selection is already a thing: https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/ https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-cal... Autonomous killing tools are an obvious next step.
- adastra22 3y agoYou can stick your head in the sand and pretend that humanity is not an intrinsically violent species, and that if we all held hands and sang Kumbaya we'd be able to get along peaceably and without need for defensive tools. Or you can wake up to the reality that a strong defensive, and sometimes offensive capability is required in order to enforce the state of peace that we all take for granted, and be part of the process of keeping all the sheeps safe. The sheepdog is a scary beast. It growls, it bites, and it intimidates sheep and wolf alike. But the herd is better off with it than without.
- poof131 3y agoI want missile trucks. That launch from submarines. Can carry AMRAAM, SLAM, JSOW, etc. Can land in the water and be recovered by the submarine and launched for more missile truck missions. I’d war-game this against super duper expensive jets, carriers, etc. Maybe even the subs can be autonomous and run off AI.
- xyzzyz 3y ago> Maybe even the subs can be autonomous and run off AI. https://www.anduril.com/hardware/dive-ld/ https://www.anduril.com/hardware/dive-ld/
- baron816 3y agoI’ve been watching a bunch of these videos where they war game realistic and pretty far fetched battle scenarios https://youtube.com/@grimreapers?si=lvRNWBee9RfnkxBI https://youtube.com/@grimreapers?si=lvRNWBee9RfnkxBI. They’ll cover stuff like a Chinese carrier group vs a US carrier group using slightly futuristic weapons. What often decides the outcomes of battles are the accuracy of ships’ air defenses and how many missiles they have onboard. Shooting down supersonic, hypersonic, and stealth missiles is hard. You may need to fire multiple anti-air missile just to hit one attacking anti-ship missile. But doing so depletes your magazine faster and it can just come down to who has more ammo. If you’re able to fire a couple anti-air missiles, and then recover the ones that miss, or have them loiter and acquire a new target, I could see that as being an advantage.
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- chaostheory 3y agoI thought they were focusing more on lasers for carrier defense?
- actionfromafar 3y agoThey who?
- H8crilA 3y agoLasers are, unfortunately, still a planned weapon. And they have some un-correctable problems, for example they don't work in a fog, and their maximum effective range is very small. Carrier strike groups rely entirely on Aegis for defence against a peer opponent. While Aegis is a beast (seriously, it's amazing, it can even destroy satellites in LEO) you have to expect some carriers will be sunk. Lasers will be very good for VSHORAD, like in Israel or for point defences of objects like embassies or bases in questionable places (CRAM - Counter Rocket Artillery and Mortar).
- Maxion 3y ago> What often decides the outcomes of battles are the accuracy of ships’ air defenses and how many missiles they have onboard. I always do wonder how realistic these war games actually are? They (at least the war games that are public) always assume at least one or both sides are near 100% competent with their systems. The Ukraine war has at least showed that that is not the case, the best example perhaps being the sinking of the Moskva, or the multitude of times Ukraine has managed to pierce Russian air defenses (who, mind you, has the most AD of anyone). I'm pretty certain that a lot of these war game scenarios, of played out in real life, wouldn't play out the same way. There'd be miscommunication, technical issues with equipment, massive total surprise on both sides and so forth.
- FL33TW00D 3y agoWhere is the UK/EU equivalent of Anduril? Seems this "neo-defense" revolution is a US only phenomenon.
- contrarian1234 3y agoI've never heard of a defense sector startup in Europe In the US its quite common. A huge percentage of defense spending is specifically restricted to small businesses and big projects have percentages that must be subcontracted to small subcontractors. And then there is the whole SBIR program too. So anything R&D-ish goes there. It's a giant subsidy program for white christian enginners (bc you need clearance) I say subsidy bc they have a near zero chance of actually supplying the military. You're extremely lucky to ever get a Phase II. The big players ensure none of the small businesses actually ever get big
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- defrost 3y agoAnecdotally it's Mormons that are supposedly over represented in the TLA's: in reality, Mormons end up in these agencies for perfectly logical reasons. The disproportionate number of Mormons is usually chalked up to three factors: Mormon people often have strong foreign language skills, from missions overseas; a relatively easy time getting security clearances, given their abstention from drugs and alcohol; and a willingness to serve. https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/why-mormons-make-great-fbi-recruits https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/why-mormons-make-great... https://www.quora.com/Are-Mormons-over-represented-in-the-CIA-FBI-or-State-Department https://www.quora.com/Are-Mormons-over-represented-in-the-CI... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35772466 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35772466 https://www.deseret.com/2022/11/1/23403019/fact-or-fiction-the-truth-about-fbi-cia-latter-day-saints-mormons https://www.deseret.com/2022/11/1/23403019/fact-or-fiction-t... In hard numbers it's difficult to verify, besides being closely guarded intelligence agencies they're Federal and don't publish breakdowns of employment by religion, etc. Military R&D tends to be broader minded in the sense they need hard skillsets and will take anyone with citizenship, a verifiable background, and the technical chops .. and even go wider if pressed for bodies.
- nulld3v 3y agoIt feels like someone copied this company verbatim out of a cyberpunk world and pasted it in our world. Everything is cyberpunk, down to the name, logo, design style and products. Unbelievably cool, but it also terrifies me.
- chaostheory 3y agoAnduril just like Palantir is from the Lord of the Rings and not Neuromancer
- mingus88 3y agoAnd it’s literally the same people that left Palantir to form Andruil It’s wild reading this thread where everyone is literally gung-Ho over Andruil yet the sentiment in any post about Palantir is the exact opposite. Same folks, everyone. They’re just doing hardware now.
- mlindner 3y agoPersonally, as someone who likes Anduril and isn't much a fan of Palantir, I never had issue with the people. I had issue with what they were doing. If Anduril was selling primarily to law enforcement/border control/spying like Palantir does then I'd like them less. Also the imagery even in the name is indicative. Anduril is a sword. Palantir is an all-seeing oracle of knowledge. The latter is a lot more dangerous for domestic politics than the former. There's a lot of people who support the US military but don't support the likes of the CIA or the NSA.
- gantron 3y ago> Same folks, everyone. Fewer than 5% of Anduril employees are former Palantir employees.
- conductr 3y agoIt's a weird vibe to see a defense product like this marketed like a consumer product
- mplewis 3y agoGreat! New and interesting ways to blow other people up. The future is so lovely.
- yakshaving_jgt 3y agoHow else do you propose we stop russian soldiers from raping, torturing, and murdering in Ukraine? If you have better ideas, please do let us know. The friends I have on the front line would certainly prefer to be at home with their families over Christmas rather than sitting in a trench, staving off frostbite and bullets.
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- yakshaving_jgt 3y agoGet your whataboutism and your enthusiasm for russian terrorism out of here.
- itsyaboi 3y ago> whataboutism Oooh, call him a conspiracy theorist next!
- boeingUH60 3y ago> And for Ukraine, you can tell your friends it was nice knowing them. Russia is rapidly modernizing, gaining valuable experience, and outscaling NATO in ammunition production. I see you read Russia Today and swallow, then repeat propaganda. The Russian military is toast...no one fears them anymore. If not for nuclear weapons, NATO would have brought down the Putin regime to dust.
- atleastoptimal 3y agoWe often hear about "secret" aircraft, chosen to be secret by the govt to not disclose capabilities to potential enemies. However this is clearly disclosing capabilities. Is it just because it's a private company, wouldn't part of their contract with the govt. to keep their new weapons a secret?
- JabavuAdams 3y agoThey have lawyers to vet releases, no doubt? I don't think this is Palmer live-tweeting from the toilet stall.
- kabouseng 3y agoThis is technically very impressive, but... It performs the same job as a sam or aa gun, at a much increased price I would bet. And why is there a need to return to base? Then it needs to be refueled. You can also see when launched it sheds some covering, so returning to base does not mean it is operational again, it needs to be reset. And that is in general the problem with US armament systems these days. Very impressive but way too expensive.
- ansible 3y agoImpressive design. I've watched more than a few videos of jet-powered RC aircraft, and they are scary fast. So it shouldn't be a surprise for the performance of a craft like this.
- tamimio 3y agoIt would be more impressive if it landed back to the nest, which is something we achieved last year in a PoC. That being said, I don’t see any technical specs.. the problem (or advantage however you see it) with drones, is the easy access plus the effectiveness in the “defense” aspect, so that fancy looking drone is useful against fighter jets for example (and definitely cheaper), but you can imagine someone with $200 fpv suicide drone immediately hitting the nest before it even launches, so your drone got droned, and by a cheaper one, with the ability to send a swarm of them launched from some house’s balcony.
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- baxuz 3y ago"The Flame of the West", eh? Cool logo and branding, but also kinda creepy.
- SergeAx 3y agoWow, that's what they call a killer product!
- JabavuAdams 3y agoMilitary-industrial complex boner, and deep shame at the ethical and moral "development" of our species. Another day on the Chimpan-spheroid.