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I love this quote from a post on the topic at The Verge: > As Bloomberg reported late last night, new interim CEO Emmett Shear is involved in mediating these n

I love this quote from a post on the topic at The Verge: > As Bloomberg reported late last night, new interim CEO Emmett Shear is involved in mediating these negotiations, creating the frankly unprecedented situation where (1) the interim CEO who replaced (2) the interim CEO who replaced Sam and who (3) got replaced for trying to get Sam back is now (4) deeply involved in a new effort to get Sam back. Read it through a few times, it’s fine. It doesn’t make any sense to anyone else either. https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/21/23971120/the-negotiations-to-bring-sam-altman-back-to-openai-slowly-continue https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/21/23971120/the-negotiation...

htk 3y ago
That's like callback hell in JS.
- cyanydeez 3y ago
  or basically how AI works in decision making.
  - SllX 3y ago
    They should probably try asking a Magic Eight Ball for a second opinion at this point. If you feed GPT-4 the reporting around this situation since Friday (literally just copy and paste in whatever reports you want) and ask a pointed question or two about OpenAI’s future, even GPT-4 isn’t liking OpenAI’s chances here. (Yes, I understand ChatGPT isn’t an AGI, shouldn’t be used for strategic decisions, blah blah blah, I tried it because it was funny.)
- m463 3y ago
  what dependencies and versions are required to import openai?
  - csours 3y ago
    I don't know, but only 1 is needed to export it.
- golergka 3y ago
  No, that's like an ESM conversion at this point.
- adverbly 3y ago
  They clearly don't know how promises work.
  - adverbly 3y ago
    If they did, they could skip the meetings and do it async.
hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
One other thing (among very many) that makes no sense to me: 1. Ilya was on the board and deeply involved with the original decision to fire Sam - he in fact delivered the news to Sam. 2. Ilya has since had a change of heart, saying he regrets his participation in Sam's firing, and even signing the employee letter demanding the board resign. 3. But obviously since Ilya went along in the first place, even if he wasn't the "ringleader" as many originally assumed, he must have had discussions/evidence presented to him that convinced him that Sam needed to go. While he obviously underestimated the chaos this would cause, he must have known this was a huge decision and not one he would have taken lightly. So my point is, why doesn't Ilya just spill the beans if he is now on "Team bring back Sam". Why doesn't Ilya just write a letter to Shear saying this is why he decided to fire Sam in the first place? God I'm having a hard time imagining how the Netflix version of this will be better than the real thing.
- YetAnotherNick 3y ago
  I have a simpler theory. Board convinced Ilya that Sam would fire him if they don't fire him first. Remember the reason being two team doing the same project. Fear of getting fired from a company you started could lead anyone to be irrational. He is just too embarrassed to say it now that it lead to this big of havoc.
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    I think he should just standby what he did. Plain and simple.
- vkou 3y ago
  > So my point is, why doesn't Ilya just spill the beans if he is now on "Team bring back Sam". Because there may be legal consequences, and it's best to not give Sam's lawyers any ammunition.
  - bmitc 3y ago
    Are CEOs not at-will employees? I can't sue a company just because they fired me unless it violates certain rights.
CoastalCoder 3y ago
If there was ever a motivation for sentence-diagramming...
golergka 3y ago
The only way this story could get any more stupider is if we find out that the conflict between Sam and Ilya or D'Angelo started because of something related to personal romantic relationships between them and some other involved individuals.
- mrmanner 3y ago
  Or something related to personal romantic relationships between them
  - ionwake 3y ago
    I will not comment on other people’s lives. I will say in my experience in the workplace the worst most unethical decisions took place simply because someone misunderstood and became offended by an action they took personally. In pressured environments that is what can be a catalyst to a snap decision with big implications in a situation where one would assume simple logic and professionalism would dominate.
  - golergka 3y ago
    Between all of them, together, in one happy polycule. Just to be clear about the tone here: I personally have an extremely very positive opinion on polyamorous, sexually open people, micro-dosing psychedelics, going to burning man, all the effective autism, biohacking, etc. I mean, I do almost all of these things, including being on a spectrum and suffering from ADHD at the same time, if my psychologist is to be believed. But this doesn't stop me from recognising how stereotypical and funny all of this is.
- sfjailbird 3y ago
  Well it's not quite that, but it's been confirmed that Ilya recanted after an emotional phone call with Greg Brockman's wife. [1] I bet this kind of interpersonal drama drives a lot more big decisions than most people are aware of. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/anna-brockman-cried-asked-ilya-sutskever-change-openai-report-2023-11?amp https://www.businessinsider.com/anna-brockman-cried-asked-il...
BryantD 3y ago
This appears to be coming from the same sources who said Sam had a 5 PM deadline on Saturday, also a 5 PM deadline on Sunday, also 90% of the company about to walk out. I’m not saying the board looks great here but it’s about time to notice that Altman’s camp is spinning this hard, and stop taking anything that comes from them at face value.
RobertDeNiro 3y ago
Even Silicon Valley (the show) couldn’t make this kind of shit up
- tjpnz 3y ago
  Silicon Valley was actually based on Mike Judge's time in a startup, obviously things just weren't that crazy in 1987.

htk 3y ago

That's like callback hell in JS.

cyanydeez 3y ago
or basically how AI works in decision making.
- SllX 3y ago
  They should probably try asking a Magic Eight Ball for a second opinion at this point. If you feed GPT-4 the reporting around this situation since Friday (literally just copy and paste in whatever reports you want) and ask a pointed question or two about OpenAI’s future, even GPT-4 isn’t liking OpenAI’s chances here. (Yes, I understand ChatGPT isn’t an AGI, shouldn’t be used for strategic decisions, blah blah blah, I tried it because it was funny.)
m463 3y ago
what dependencies and versions are required to import openai?
- csours 3y ago
  I don't know, but only 1 is needed to export it.
golergka 3y ago
No, that's like an ESM conversion at this point.
adverbly 3y ago
They clearly don't know how promises work.
- adverbly 3y ago
  If they did, they could skip the meetings and do it async.

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago

One other thing (among very many) that makes no sense to me: 1. Ilya was on the board and deeply involved with the original decision to fire Sam - he in fact delivered the news to Sam. 2. Ilya has since had a change of heart, saying he regrets his participation in Sam's firing, and even signing the employee letter demanding the board resign. 3. But obviously since Ilya went along in the first place, even if he wasn't the "ringleader" as many originally assumed, he must have had discussions/evidence presented to him that convinced him that Sam needed to go. While he obviously underestimated the chaos this would cause, he must have known this was a huge decision and not one he would have taken lightly. So my point is, why doesn't Ilya just spill the beans if he is now on "Team bring back Sam". Why doesn't Ilya just write a letter to Shear saying this is why he decided to fire Sam in the first place? God I'm having a hard time imagining how the Netflix version of this will be better than the real thing.

YetAnotherNick 3y ago
I have a simpler theory. Board convinced Ilya that Sam would fire him if they don't fire him first. Remember the reason being two team doing the same project. Fear of getting fired from a company you started could lead anyone to be irrational. He is just too embarrassed to say it now that it lead to this big of havoc.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  I think he should just standby what he did. Plain and simple.
vkou 3y ago
> So my point is, why doesn't Ilya just spill the beans if he is now on "Team bring back Sam". Because there may be legal consequences, and it's best to not give Sam's lawyers any ammunition.
- bmitc 3y ago
  Are CEOs not at-will employees? I can't sue a company just because they fired me unless it violates certain rights.

CoastalCoder 3y ago

If there was ever a motivation for sentence-diagramming...

golergka 3y ago

The only way this story could get any more stupider is if we find out that the conflict between Sam and Ilya or D'Angelo started because of something related to personal romantic relationships between them and some other involved individuals.

mrmanner 3y ago
Or something related to personal romantic relationships between them
- ionwake 3y ago
  I will not comment on other people’s lives. I will say in my experience in the workplace the worst most unethical decisions took place simply because someone misunderstood and became offended by an action they took personally. In pressured environments that is what can be a catalyst to a snap decision with big implications in a situation where one would assume simple logic and professionalism would dominate.
- golergka 3y ago
  Between all of them, together, in one happy polycule. Just to be clear about the tone here: I personally have an extremely very positive opinion on polyamorous, sexually open people, micro-dosing psychedelics, going to burning man, all the effective autism, biohacking, etc. I mean, I do almost all of these things, including being on a spectrum and suffering from ADHD at the same time, if my psychologist is to be believed. But this doesn't stop me from recognising how stereotypical and funny all of this is.
sfjailbird 3y ago
Well it's not quite that, but it's been confirmed that Ilya recanted after an emotional phone call with Greg Brockman's wife. [1] I bet this kind of interpersonal drama drives a lot more big decisions than most people are aware of. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/anna-brockman-cried-asked-ilya-sutskever-change-openai-report-2023-11?amp https://www.businessinsider.com/anna-brockman-cried-asked-il...

BryantD 3y ago

This appears to be coming from the same sources who said Sam had a 5 PM deadline on Saturday, also a 5 PM deadline on Sunday, also 90% of the company about to walk out. I’m not saying the board looks great here but it’s about time to notice that Altman’s camp is spinning this hard, and stop taking anything that comes from them at face value.

RobertDeNiro 3y ago

Even Silicon Valley (the show) couldn’t make this kind of shit up

tjpnz 3y ago
Silicon Valley was actually based on Mike Judge's time in a startup, obviously things just weren't that crazy in 1987.