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The UK is very worried about Scottish Independence. Mr Murray is a very vocal supporter of that, and an active figurehead in the independence movement. I don't

The UK is very worried about Scottish Independence. Mr Murray is a very vocal supporter of that, and an active figurehead in the independence movement. I don't know, but I'm assuming that his support of Hamas is a nice pretext for the British Establishment to have another pop at him. As we predicted when the UK proposed these monstrous laws: they are being abused to go after anyone who annoys the establishment. That's what they were always intended to do. The whole "terrorist" thing was a way of getting popular support for them, just like the popular fears of child abuse have been used to pass yet more police state surveillance laws.

dash2 3y ago
I'm from the UK, and my instant reaction is that this is an evidence-free conspiracy-theory. If you have anything to back it up, other than vibes, feel free to say so.
- matthewdgreen 3y ago
  Well, it's also possible they read his Tweet and looked at his background and said "this dangerous person really is going to conduct violent acts in this country, we have no choice but to thwart him by seizing all his electronic devices using the most powerful law in the land, even if it de-legitimizes our use of this law for more serious matters." But since that hypothesis is so obviously cartoonish, it's hard to blame folks who look for more rational explanations like "the government is harassing a political opponent" (whether they're right or wrong.)
  - xdennis 3y ago
    > it's hard to blame folks who look for more rational explanations like "the government is harassing a political opponent" (whether they're right or wrong.) No, it's not, because he's clearly being investigated for supporting Hamas' actions (which classified as a terrorist organization by the UK).
    - matthewdgreen 3y ago
      I don't know anything about this person other than what's on his Wikipedia. And what that says is: he's a 65-year old former diplomat and noted human rights activist with (as far as I can tell) zero history of violence or terrorist acts. If the government seriously thinks he's capable of following through on violent acts because he wrote a Tweet saying "I support Hamas", I suspect the government is badly mismanaging its anti-terrorism resources. If the government doesn't think he's going to follow up that Tweet with action and is "merely doing it because the law says they can", that's pretty much the definition of harassment.
      - SemioticStandrd 3y ago
        You can’t be that naive, can you? It’s obviously not the Tweet they’re worried about. They think the Tweet is indication that he supports Hamas enough to aid or promote them secretly. “If this guy is this outspoken publicly for his support of Hamas, what must he be doing to support them behind closed doors? Does he donate to them? Organize for them?” Whether or not that’s enough to search him is another debate, but that’s what their thought process was when they decided to detain him.
        marcus_holmes 3y ago
        No, I think that the tweet is an excuse that allows them to hassle him more, because he's a prominent supporter of Scottish Independence. I don't think this has anything to do with Hamas itself.
        lmm 3y ago
        > They think the Tweet is indication that he supports Hamas enough to aid or promote them secretly. “If this guy is this outspoken publicly for his support of Hamas, what must he be doing to support them behind closed doors? Does he donate to them? Organize for them?” If they think that then why just him and not the thousands of other people tweeting similar things? The thought process is evidently "oh, it's that bloody git again, have we got anything we can pin him for this time?"; if you don't see that it's you who's being naive. (I'm agnostic about whether it's specifically about Scottish independence, the Assange case, or something else; one way or another he's a thorn in the side of the powerful, and that's why the book is being thrown at him)
- permo-w 3y ago
  your "instant reaction" is just as unhelpful as the proscribed "vibes"
- marcus_holmes 3y ago
  > If you have anything to back it up, other than vibes, feel free to say so. Just read the history of his recent legal hassles, which are a farcical misuse of legislation intended for other purposes. He went to jail for (basically) pointing out all the flaws in the prosecution's case against Alex Salmond. As the old joke goes; It's not paranoia if they actually are out to get you ;)
skrebbel 3y ago
How does this look in practice? I’m not saying you’re wrong but your formulation suggests that some faceless people at the British Establishment Country Club put down their whiskeys, ordained that mr Murray be bullied and so it went. That’s the stuff of movies and dictatorships, right? Do random UK civil servants really abuse the system to this extent for personal or political gain?
- coldtea 3y ago
  >but your formulation suggests that some faceless people at the British Establishment Country Club put down their whiskeys, ordained that mr Murray be bullied and so it went. Whole departments are set up to work on internal "enemies of the state". Pressure from foreign governments (cough) also points to their undesirables. People above a certain station can trivially tell what is the establishment political winds, short and long term, and which are the "annoying" people that go against them. They also know that furthering the cause against them looks good to their superiors. They can and do build organizational "vendettas" and keep tabs, harass, prosecute them, for years, or even decades. This goes all the way. Judges and prosecutors making decisions on such cases know who can help their career and what can hurt it, and so on. No explicit coordination needed, though there's a lot of that too - e.g. some established enterpreneur calling their favorite politician and asking them to "do something about that person", special interest groups created ad hoc, and so on. Check a comment by someone called Scott in TFA. >That’s the stuff of movies and dictatorships, right? Oh, sweet summer child.
- denton-scratch 3y ago
  > faceless people at the British Establishment Country Club That's roughly it. The British Establishment (leaders of the main parties, intelligence officials, senior judges, senior police) wanted to make an example of him, because of his persistent exposure of their arbitary persecution of Assange. He was charged with contempt of court, for "jigsaw identification" of a witness in another case, that of Alex Salmond. That charge was prosecuted before a single judge, who was very much a member of "The Establishment", and he got 6 months in the slammer. It's still not clear which remarks he made on his blog that contributed to jigsaw identification. Maybe it was a commenter on his blog that made the troublesome remark. But apparently other, more-mainstream journalists had been much more explicit, and most of the Scottish political class knew who the witness was from those sources, not from Craig's blog. Basically, he was fitted-up for loudly espousing Scottish independence.
xdennis 3y ago
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- pipo234 3y ago
  I see why that sentence is considered over the line, but in context it does not sound like he's endorsing another holocaust. > To be entirely plain. > I have always viscerally opposed war. I have dedicated my life to conflict resolution and reconciliation. > But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support. > If that is a crime, send me back to jail. https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1713335006121140511 https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051... I think he's clearly very angry and upset about the violence inflicted upon Gaza population and it's difficult to keep heads clear and calm. But let's not jump from "armed resistance" to "another holocaust".
- AnimalMuppet 3y ago
  Given recent events, I consider support for Hamas to be on extremely shaky moral ground, and in very poor taste. Still, I don't think that verbal support for Hamas calls for investigation. (Material support? Sure, investigate that.)
- Thiez 3y ago
  Wait for another holocaust? Israel is inflicting one on the people (mostly children!) in Gaza right now. I think it's in rather bad taste to yell holocaust when an occupier faces resistance from a people they are violently oppressing.
  - philwelch 3y ago
    That “resistance” took the form of indiscriminately murdering and raping over a thousand unarmed civilians, including Israeli Arabs, in their homes, in the streets, and even at a music festival for peace.
- hwillis 3y ago
  Murray wrote Zionism is Bullshit in 2017. It's just as old as his pro-independence stuff. > Humanity shouldn't wait for another holocaust. Agreed. An international coalition must militarily intervene to repeal rules such as Military Order 158 (blocking construction of water infrastructure), rebuild important infrastructure (like the airport blown up by israel), restore critical life services like hospitals (which have been bombed 62 times), stop the murder of civilians, destroy checkpoints, walls, sniper nests and other infrastructure imprisoning the people who have lived here for millenia. The murder, displacement, apartheid, and genocide that has occurred for the past 70 years must be stopped before the terrorist ethnostate finally fills the last graves of those who did not flee their homes. The people responsible for these atrocities -which stand alongside My Lai, the Rouge, Rwanda, the Kulaks, etc- must be held to an international trial, and should never see a life of freedom ever again. God forbid that the murder should escalate to the true eradication of the Gaza strip- if those millions were exterminated, there would truly be no event that could even be compared except for the Holocaust.
niemandhier 3y ago
Can you give an example of him supporting hammas? I could not find any.
- ddmf 3y ago
  https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1713335006121140511 https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1713335006121140511
  - oarfish 3y ago
    What did it say? Tweet seemingly was removed.
    - derivagral 3y ago
      Not sure how formatting will go, from desktop twitter: Craig Murray - @CraigMurrayOrg To be entirely plain. I have always viscerally opposed war. I have dedicated my life to conflict resolution and reconciliation. But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support. If that is a crime, send me back to jail. 7:24 PM · Oct 14, 2023 · 167.9K Views
      - junofan 3y ago
        Dang, he forgot to mention that one in the article…
        jjgreen 3y ago
        Section 1 extends the offence of inviting support for a proscribed organisation in section 12 of the Terrorism Act 2000 to cover expressions of support that are reckless as to whether they will encourage others to support the organisation; according to https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/terrorism https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/terrorism So the question is whether "I will support Hammas" constitutes "inviting support". That's not clear-cut to me. Probably be able to get him on section 12 though, "reckless" is a movable feast.
kmlx 3y ago
> that his support of Hamas say what now? is there any proof he supports those terrorists? in which case, it's pretty clear why he was detained. edit: found it: https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1713335006121140511 https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051... yup, terrorism charges incoming. from the same guy that did this: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/11/former-ambassador-craig-murray-jailed-for-alex-salmond-case-blogposts https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/11/former-ambas...
- MyFirstSass 3y ago
  Looks more to me like he's a human rights activist that has been targeted by the security state as Naom Chomsky et. al comments in the just posted article. His own comments are about desperate measures when carpet bombed. That you want to swiftly send him to jail tells me totalitarianism is becoming fashionable again.
  - boffinAudio 3y ago
    >That you want to swiftly send him to jail tells me totalitarianism is becoming fashionable again. Every single human being alive has the capacity to manifest the totalitarian-authoritarian personality. We are not immune to it as individuals - our only safety from this viral meme is social. It is only when we have a social order that provides more motivation to eschew the totalitarian-authoritarian personality, at an individual level, that we are actually free of it. The irony is, this personality also arises when an individuals' own personality is challenged by society.
  - kmlx 3y ago
    > That you want to swiftly send him to jail tells me totalitarianism is becoming fashionable again. where did i write that? he'll have a fair trial according to the law. he can then convince the judge he doesn't actually support a terrorist organisation (as it's illegal to do that in the UK).
    - vintermann 3y ago
jen20 3y ago
Is it? Most members of the Conservative Party would be overjoyed at Scottish independence - it would give them a permanent majority (or at least, would have done had they not had their ridiculous dalliance with Liz Truss).
- marcus_holmes 3y ago
  The Conservative Party have always been against the breakup of the United Kingdom. I'm not a member so I don't know why, but I suspect any/all of the following: loss of North Sea Oil rights, history, weird effect on the monarchy, reunified Ireland immediately afterwards, Scotland rejoining the EU leaving England and Wales as this weird little bit of non-EU island. I don't think there's any PM who wants to be the PM who allowed the UK to break up. Luckily for them, as Mr Murray's blog details, the SNP is very comfortable being Westminster MPs and aren't that interested in actually doing anything about independence.
anonzzzies 3y ago
Pro Palestine doesn’t necessarily mean pro Hamas. It usually doesn’t, but of course some people (pro Israel usually) always manipulate/turn it that way. So please let us know where it shows he is pro Hamas vs pro Palestine (and actually against Hamas, which is what I would expect he is).
- olalonde 3y ago
  He explicitly stated his support for Hamas and Hezbollah in this tweet: https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1713335006121140511 https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051...
  - anonzzzies 3y ago
    Ah indeed he did. Jikes, he gets his wish then.
    - smsm42 3y ago
      Somehow every time somebody goes out to prove "it doesn't mean pro Hamas" it turns out it does. Maybe there's some pattern in it - like if a guy goes to pro Hamas rallies just days after Hamas brutally murdered 1400 people, there's a tiny bit of suspicion he might be pro Hamas?
blibble 3y ago
these days Murray is an embarassment to anyone he associates with if anything the UK gov would want him freely associating with the SNP not locked up where he's prevented from embarrassing them
- marcus_holmes 3y ago
  He's pretty anti-SNP these days
M2Ys4U 3y ago
> The UK is very worried about Scottish Independence. Mr Murray is a very vocal supporter of that, and an active figurehead in the independence movement. > >I don't know, but I'm assuming that his support of Hamas is a nice pretext for the British Establishment to have another pop at him. Murray is also a crank and conspiracy theorist, who has been a vociferous supporter of Bashar al-Assad and the Syrian regime. Saying this is about Scottish independence is hilarious.

dash2 3y ago

I'm from the UK, and my instant reaction is that this is an evidence-free conspiracy-theory. If you have anything to back it up, other than vibes, feel free to say so.

matthewdgreen 3y ago
Well, it's also possible they read his Tweet and looked at his background and said "this dangerous person really is going to conduct violent acts in this country, we have no choice but to thwart him by seizing all his electronic devices using the most powerful law in the land, even if it de-legitimizes our use of this law for more serious matters." But since that hypothesis is so obviously cartoonish, it's hard to blame folks who look for more rational explanations like "the government is harassing a political opponent" (whether they're right or wrong.)
- xdennis 3y ago
  > it's hard to blame folks who look for more rational explanations like "the government is harassing a political opponent" (whether they're right or wrong.) No, it's not, because he's clearly being investigated for supporting Hamas' actions (which classified as a terrorist organization by the UK).
  - matthewdgreen 3y ago
    I don't know anything about this person other than what's on his Wikipedia. And what that says is: he's a 65-year old former diplomat and noted human rights activist with (as far as I can tell) zero history of violence or terrorist acts. If the government seriously thinks he's capable of following through on violent acts because he wrote a Tweet saying "I support Hamas", I suspect the government is badly mismanaging its anti-terrorism resources. If the government doesn't think he's going to follow up that Tweet with action and is "merely doing it because the law says they can", that's pretty much the definition of harassment.
    - SemioticStandrd 3y ago
      You can’t be that naive, can you? It’s obviously not the Tweet they’re worried about. They think the Tweet is indication that he supports Hamas enough to aid or promote them secretly. “If this guy is this outspoken publicly for his support of Hamas, what must he be doing to support them behind closed doors? Does he donate to them? Organize for them?” Whether or not that’s enough to search him is another debate, but that’s what their thought process was when they decided to detain him.
      - marcus_holmes 3y ago
        No, I think that the tweet is an excuse that allows them to hassle him more, because he's a prominent supporter of Scottish Independence. I don't think this has anything to do with Hamas itself.
      - lmm 3y ago
        > They think the Tweet is indication that he supports Hamas enough to aid or promote them secretly. “If this guy is this outspoken publicly for his support of Hamas, what must he be doing to support them behind closed doors? Does he donate to them? Organize for them?” If they think that then why just him and not the thousands of other people tweeting similar things? The thought process is evidently "oh, it's that bloody git again, have we got anything we can pin him for this time?"; if you don't see that it's you who's being naive. (I'm agnostic about whether it's specifically about Scottish independence, the Assange case, or something else; one way or another he's a thorn in the side of the powerful, and that's why the book is being thrown at him)
permo-w 3y ago
your "instant reaction" is just as unhelpful as the proscribed "vibes"
marcus_holmes 3y ago
> If you have anything to back it up, other than vibes, feel free to say so. Just read the history of his recent legal hassles, which are a farcical misuse of legislation intended for other purposes. He went to jail for (basically) pointing out all the flaws in the prosecution's case against Alex Salmond. As the old joke goes; It's not paranoia if they actually are out to get you ;)

skrebbel 3y ago

How does this look in practice? I’m not saying you’re wrong but your formulation suggests that some faceless people at the British Establishment Country Club put down their whiskeys, ordained that mr Murray be bullied and so it went. That’s the stuff of movies and dictatorships, right? Do random UK civil servants really abuse the system to this extent for personal or political gain?

coldtea 3y ago
>but your formulation suggests that some faceless people at the British Establishment Country Club put down their whiskeys, ordained that mr Murray be bullied and so it went. Whole departments are set up to work on internal "enemies of the state". Pressure from foreign governments (cough) also points to their undesirables. People above a certain station can trivially tell what is the establishment political winds, short and long term, and which are the "annoying" people that go against them. They also know that furthering the cause against them looks good to their superiors. They can and do build organizational "vendettas" and keep tabs, harass, prosecute them, for years, or even decades. This goes all the way. Judges and prosecutors making decisions on such cases know who can help their career and what can hurt it, and so on. No explicit coordination needed, though there's a lot of that too - e.g. some established enterpreneur calling their favorite politician and asking them to "do something about that person", special interest groups created ad hoc, and so on. Check a comment by someone called Scott in TFA. >That’s the stuff of movies and dictatorships, right? Oh, sweet summer child.
denton-scratch 3y ago
> faceless people at the British Establishment Country Club That's roughly it. The British Establishment (leaders of the main parties, intelligence officials, senior judges, senior police) wanted to make an example of him, because of his persistent exposure of their arbitary persecution of Assange. He was charged with contempt of court, for "jigsaw identification" of a witness in another case, that of Alex Salmond. That charge was prosecuted before a single judge, who was very much a member of "The Establishment", and he got 6 months in the slammer. It's still not clear which remarks he made on his blog that contributed to jigsaw identification. Maybe it was a commenter on his blog that made the troublesome remark. But apparently other, more-mainstream journalists had been much more explicit, and most of the Scottish political class knew who the witness was from those sources, not from Craig's blog. Basically, he was fitted-up for loudly espousing Scottish independence.

xdennis 3y ago

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pipo234 3y ago
I see why that sentence is considered over the line, but in context it does not sound like he's endorsing another holocaust. > To be entirely plain. > I have always viscerally opposed war. I have dedicated my life to conflict resolution and reconciliation. > But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support. > If that is a crime, send me back to jail. https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1713335006121140511 https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051... I think he's clearly very angry and upset about the violence inflicted upon Gaza population and it's difficult to keep heads clear and calm. But let's not jump from "armed resistance" to "another holocaust".
AnimalMuppet 3y ago
Given recent events, I consider support for Hamas to be on extremely shaky moral ground, and in very poor taste. Still, I don't think that verbal support for Hamas calls for investigation. (Material support? Sure, investigate that.)
Thiez 3y ago
Wait for another holocaust? Israel is inflicting one on the people (mostly children!) in Gaza right now. I think it's in rather bad taste to yell holocaust when an occupier faces resistance from a people they are violently oppressing.
- philwelch 3y ago
  That “resistance” took the form of indiscriminately murdering and raping over a thousand unarmed civilians, including Israeli Arabs, in their homes, in the streets, and even at a music festival for peace.
hwillis 3y ago
Murray wrote Zionism is Bullshit in 2017. It's just as old as his pro-independence stuff. > Humanity shouldn't wait for another holocaust. Agreed. An international coalition must militarily intervene to repeal rules such as Military Order 158 (blocking construction of water infrastructure), rebuild important infrastructure (like the airport blown up by israel), restore critical life services like hospitals (which have been bombed 62 times), stop the murder of civilians, destroy checkpoints, walls, sniper nests and other infrastructure imprisoning the people who have lived here for millenia. The murder, displacement, apartheid, and genocide that has occurred for the past 70 years must be stopped before the terrorist ethnostate finally fills the last graves of those who did not flee their homes. The people responsible for these atrocities -which stand alongside My Lai, the Rouge, Rwanda, the Kulaks, etc- must be held to an international trial, and should never see a life of freedom ever again. God forbid that the murder should escalate to the true eradication of the Gaza strip- if those millions were exterminated, there would truly be no event that could even be compared except for the Holocaust.

niemandhier 3y ago

Can you give an example of him supporting hammas? I could not find any.

ddmf 3y ago
https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1713335006121140511 https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1713335006121140511
- oarfish 3y ago
  What did it say? Tweet seemingly was removed.
  - derivagral 3y ago
    Not sure how formatting will go, from desktop twitter: Craig Murray - @CraigMurrayOrg To be entirely plain. I have always viscerally opposed war. I have dedicated my life to conflict resolution and reconciliation. But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support. If that is a crime, send me back to jail. 7:24 PM · Oct 14, 2023 · 167.9K Views
    - junofan 3y ago
      Dang, he forgot to mention that one in the article…
      - jjgreen 3y ago
        Section 1 extends the offence of inviting support for a proscribed organisation in section 12 of the Terrorism Act 2000 to cover expressions of support that are reckless as to whether they will encourage others to support the organisation; according to https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/terrorism https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/terrorism So the question is whether "I will support Hammas" constitutes "inviting support". That's not clear-cut to me. Probably be able to get him on section 12 though, "reckless" is a movable feast.

kmlx 3y ago

> that his support of Hamas say what now? is there any proof he supports those terrorists? in which case, it's pretty clear why he was detained. edit: found it: https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1713335006121140511 https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051... yup, terrorism charges incoming. from the same guy that did this: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/11/former-ambassador-craig-murray-jailed-for-alex-salmond-case-blogposts https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/11/former-ambas...

MyFirstSass 3y ago
Looks more to me like he's a human rights activist that has been targeted by the security state as Naom Chomsky et. al comments in the just posted article. His own comments are about desperate measures when carpet bombed. That you want to swiftly send him to jail tells me totalitarianism is becoming fashionable again.
- boffinAudio 3y ago
  >That you want to swiftly send him to jail tells me totalitarianism is becoming fashionable again. Every single human being alive has the capacity to manifest the totalitarian-authoritarian personality. We are not immune to it as individuals - our only safety from this viral meme is social. It is only when we have a social order that provides more motivation to eschew the totalitarian-authoritarian personality, at an individual level, that we are actually free of it. The irony is, this personality also arises when an individuals' own personality is challenged by society.
- kmlx 3y ago
  > That you want to swiftly send him to jail tells me totalitarianism is becoming fashionable again. where did i write that? he'll have a fair trial according to the law. he can then convince the judge he doesn't actually support a terrorist organisation (as it's illegal to do that in the UK).
  - vintermann 3y ago

jen20 3y ago

Is it? Most members of the Conservative Party would be overjoyed at Scottish independence - it would give them a permanent majority (or at least, would have done had they not had their ridiculous dalliance with Liz Truss).

marcus_holmes 3y ago
The Conservative Party have always been against the breakup of the United Kingdom. I'm not a member so I don't know why, but I suspect any/all of the following: loss of North Sea Oil rights, history, weird effect on the monarchy, reunified Ireland immediately afterwards, Scotland rejoining the EU leaving England and Wales as this weird little bit of non-EU island. I don't think there's any PM who wants to be the PM who allowed the UK to break up. Luckily for them, as Mr Murray's blog details, the SNP is very comfortable being Westminster MPs and aren't that interested in actually doing anything about independence.

anonzzzies 3y ago

Pro Palestine doesn’t necessarily mean pro Hamas. It usually doesn’t, but of course some people (pro Israel usually) always manipulate/turn it that way. So please let us know where it shows he is pro Hamas vs pro Palestine (and actually against Hamas, which is what I would expect he is).

olalonde 3y ago
He explicitly stated his support for Hamas and Hezbollah in this tweet: https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1713335006121140511 https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051...
- anonzzzies 3y ago
  Ah indeed he did. Jikes, he gets his wish then.
  - smsm42 3y ago
    Somehow every time somebody goes out to prove "it doesn't mean pro Hamas" it turns out it does. Maybe there's some pattern in it - like if a guy goes to pro Hamas rallies just days after Hamas brutally murdered 1400 people, there's a tiny bit of suspicion he might be pro Hamas?

blibble 3y ago

these days Murray is an embarassment to anyone he associates with if anything the UK gov would want him freely associating with the SNP not locked up where he's prevented from embarrassing them

marcus_holmes 3y ago
He's pretty anti-SNP these days

M2Ys4U 3y ago

> The UK is very worried about Scottish Independence. Mr Murray is a very vocal supporter of that, and an active figurehead in the independence movement. > >I don't know, but I'm assuming that his support of Hamas is a nice pretext for the British Establishment to have another pop at him. Murray is also a crank and conspiracy theorist, who has been a vociferous supporter of Bashar al-Assad and the Syrian regime. Saying this is about Scottish independence is hilarious.