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> This manufacturer claims the cable transmits data at up to 10 Gbps – a speed that corresponds to USB 3.1 Gen 2 – but it only has enough pins and wires to supp

> This manufacturer claims the cable transmits data at up to 10 Gbps – a speed that corresponds to USB 3.1 Gen 2 – but it only has enough pins and wires to support USB 2.0 at up to 480 Mbps. In any case, this cable accumulated 29 one-star reviews on Amazon and was discontinued the day after we bought it. Pretty much sums up the experience of buying cables in the past couple years.

londons_explore 3y ago
I really want my computer to have a built in cable tester. Just plug both ends of the same cable into two different ports of a computer, and it has a little popup saying "This cable can support charging at this rate and data at that rate, and is fully functional". Or "This cable has 1 bad pin, and that may affect video/audio/charging/whatever functionality" Ideally, the computer would test every pin in the cable, and also test the resistance/voltage drop of the cable to detect thinner-than-spec conductors. I'm pretty sure USB-C hardware in a typical laptop can already do most of this, if only the firmware added support for such testing.
- joombaga 3y ago
  My old motherboard had 2 NICs, and was able to test Ethernet cables this way.
- izacus 3y ago
  It's really strange that even getting a separate testing device is really hard. There are some that test pins and some that can read the emarker, but none affordable that can do both.
  - Isthatablackgsd 3y ago
    I'm assuming it would involves more ICs which it can bump the cost of the testing kit exponentially to test all of the pins.
    - Dylan16807 3y ago
      If it's exponential that's a huge assumption that needs more backing.
      - Isthatablackgsd 3y ago
        I'm not a EE. It is my understanding that to fully test 24 pins would includes putting a full load of higher wattage through those wiring to ensure they are capable of transferring. Higher wattage which means it needs a larger transformer to output that large amount of power or it would need a 200+ watts power brick to supply the wattage. That includes needing safety/failsafe components to protect itself and the device it is connected to, thus increasing the risk of potential damage if it was mishandled. I won't be surprised if the cable reporting that it can handle higher wattage when it is not in reality. Also, this includes the testing system to ensure it is handling rigorously without damaging it. I don't know the cost of the such device, I am assuming the higher cost based on other devices for other thing such as ethernet cable tester such as Fluke which are $100+.
        Dylan16807 3y ago
        I don't see how testing the wattage would be much different if it was two pins on a barrel plug. Also you only really need to test the resistance here. Or volts and amps separately. And I don't know if testing power was even part of the idea or if it was more about doing a signal test.
  - Nextgrid 3y ago
    There isn't a big enough market for it, so any device capable of doing this would be expensive due to lack of economies of scale.
- aalimov_ 3y ago
  > I really want my computer to have a built in cable tester. Just plug both ends of the same cable into two different ports of a computer … If you have a Mac you might be able to try the Blackmagic Disk Speed Test app. It would require you to also have a drive that* can handle the read/write speeds of the cable you are testing… but you’ll only get accurate numbers if your drive can handle read/write that’s above what the cable can handle. Hopefully someone else knows of a better way.
  - ricardobeat 3y ago
    If the computer could test on a loop like the parent comment suggested, every single machine built in the last decade has enough memory bandwidth to test >40Gbps. No need to write to disk.
- colanderman 3y ago
  Mikrotik routers have something like this for Ethernet cables. They can detect how far down a cable break is and on what twisted pair. (They don't test cable bandwidth though.)
- agapon 3y ago
  Something like this? https://hackaday.com/2023/08/11/usb-c-cable-tester-is-compact-and-affordable/ https://hackaday.com/2023/08/11/usb-c-cable-tester-is-compac... https://www.tindie.com/products/petl/usb-c-cable-tester-c2c-caberqu/ https://www.tindie.com/products/petl/usb-c-cable-tester-c2c-...
  - crote 3y ago
    No, these only test connectivity. They do not check the eMarker.
galangalalgol 3y ago
It seems like a niche for someone to step in and provide a service for QC.
- killjoywashere 3y ago
  Benson Leung was doing this for a while. It does seem like something Consumer Reports might take on, but they'd have to sub to Benson or someone like him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benson_Leung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benson_Leung Outside the consumer space, I suspect any serious business relying on USB is going to have an EE or 10 who are happy to inform the buying decisions.
floatrock 3y ago
> accumulated 29 one-star reviews on Amazon and was discontinued the day after we bought it. They forgot to say how it re-appeared the next day under some other manufacturer name that's a random assortment of words and letters slightly different than "NiceTQ"
- kridsdale1 3y ago
  I swear, there must be software to make pseudo English phoneme strings for Chinese resellers to register as “companies” on amazon. 95% of them are ridiculous and I can’t believe a human made them.
  - npongratz 3y ago
    It's a fast and cheap way to avoid running afoul of trademark laws.
    - anamexis 3y ago
      It isn't to avoid running afoul of trademark laws, it's just that it's easy to trademark pseudorandom brand names, and Amazon upranks trademarked brands.
      - galangalalgol 3y ago
        How much does it cost to trademark a brand globally? Or at least in major markets? Hiw long before someone starts trademarking uuids?
- bee_rider 3y ago
  It is annoying that these sellers do this, but it is a pretty obvious thing to do, it is economically incentivized, and so it is totally unsurprising. The weird thing, IMO, is that Amazon doesn’t see this as a big problem that they need to solve. I mean if I was to give somebody advice as to which cables they should buy on Amazon, it would have to be: use a brand you know and make sure you buy it directly from their account, and if there’s no such brand, don’t buy a cable from Amazon… but then I guess nobody asks.
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londons_explore 3y ago

I really want my computer to have a built in cable tester. Just plug both ends of the same cable into two different ports of a computer, and it has a little popup saying "This cable can support charging at this rate and data at that rate, and is fully functional". Or "This cable has 1 bad pin, and that may affect video/audio/charging/whatever functionality" Ideally, the computer would test every pin in the cable, and also test the resistance/voltage drop of the cable to detect thinner-than-spec conductors. I'm pretty sure USB-C hardware in a typical laptop can already do most of this, if only the firmware added support for such testing.

joombaga 3y ago
My old motherboard had 2 NICs, and was able to test Ethernet cables this way.
izacus 3y ago
It's really strange that even getting a separate testing device is really hard. There are some that test pins and some that can read the emarker, but none affordable that can do both.
- Isthatablackgsd 3y ago
  I'm assuming it would involves more ICs which it can bump the cost of the testing kit exponentially to test all of the pins.
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    If it's exponential that's a huge assumption that needs more backing.
    - Isthatablackgsd 3y ago
      I'm not a EE. It is my understanding that to fully test 24 pins would includes putting a full load of higher wattage through those wiring to ensure they are capable of transferring. Higher wattage which means it needs a larger transformer to output that large amount of power or it would need a 200+ watts power brick to supply the wattage. That includes needing safety/failsafe components to protect itself and the device it is connected to, thus increasing the risk of potential damage if it was mishandled. I won't be surprised if the cable reporting that it can handle higher wattage when it is not in reality. Also, this includes the testing system to ensure it is handling rigorously without damaging it. I don't know the cost of the such device, I am assuming the higher cost based on other devices for other thing such as ethernet cable tester such as Fluke which are $100+.
      - Dylan16807 3y ago
        I don't see how testing the wattage would be much different if it was two pins on a barrel plug. Also you only really need to test the resistance here. Or volts and amps separately. And I don't know if testing power was even part of the idea or if it was more about doing a signal test.
- Nextgrid 3y ago
  There isn't a big enough market for it, so any device capable of doing this would be expensive due to lack of economies of scale.
aalimov_ 3y ago
> I really want my computer to have a built in cable tester. Just plug both ends of the same cable into two different ports of a computer … If you have a Mac you might be able to try the Blackmagic Disk Speed Test app. It would require you to also have a drive that* can handle the read/write speeds of the cable you are testing… but you’ll only get accurate numbers if your drive can handle read/write that’s above what the cable can handle. Hopefully someone else knows of a better way.
- ricardobeat 3y ago
  If the computer could test on a loop like the parent comment suggested, every single machine built in the last decade has enough memory bandwidth to test >40Gbps. No need to write to disk.
colanderman 3y ago
Mikrotik routers have something like this for Ethernet cables. They can detect how far down a cable break is and on what twisted pair. (They don't test cable bandwidth though.)
agapon 3y ago
Something like this? https://hackaday.com/2023/08/11/usb-c-cable-tester-is-compact-and-affordable/ https://hackaday.com/2023/08/11/usb-c-cable-tester-is-compac... https://www.tindie.com/products/petl/usb-c-cable-tester-c2c-caberqu/ https://www.tindie.com/products/petl/usb-c-cable-tester-c2c-...
- crote 3y ago
  No, these only test connectivity. They do not check the eMarker.

galangalalgol 3y ago

It seems like a niche for someone to step in and provide a service for QC.

killjoywashere 3y ago
Benson Leung was doing this for a while. It does seem like something Consumer Reports might take on, but they'd have to sub to Benson or someone like him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benson_Leung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benson_Leung Outside the consumer space, I suspect any serious business relying on USB is going to have an EE or 10 who are happy to inform the buying decisions.

floatrock 3y ago

> accumulated 29 one-star reviews on Amazon and was discontinued the day after we bought it. They forgot to say how it re-appeared the next day under some other manufacturer name that's a random assortment of words and letters slightly different than "NiceTQ"

kridsdale1 3y ago
I swear, there must be software to make pseudo English phoneme strings for Chinese resellers to register as “companies” on amazon. 95% of them are ridiculous and I can’t believe a human made them.
- npongratz 3y ago
  It's a fast and cheap way to avoid running afoul of trademark laws.
  - anamexis 3y ago
    It isn't to avoid running afoul of trademark laws, it's just that it's easy to trademark pseudorandom brand names, and Amazon upranks trademarked brands.
    - galangalalgol 3y ago
      How much does it cost to trademark a brand globally? Or at least in major markets? Hiw long before someone starts trademarking uuids?
bee_rider 3y ago
It is annoying that these sellers do this, but it is a pretty obvious thing to do, it is economically incentivized, and so it is totally unsurprising. The weird thing, IMO, is that Amazon doesn’t see this as a big problem that they need to solve. I mean if I was to give somebody advice as to which cables they should buy on Amazon, it would have to be: use a brand you know and make sure you buy it directly from their account, and if there’s no such brand, don’t buy a cable from Amazon… but then I guess nobody asks.

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