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Jupe: Off-grid shelters that pop up anywhere on Earth
- winrid 3y agothere are over 500 RVs for sale just in the bay area under 30k
- chaps 3y agoNothing says, "steal all my shit" like an obnoxiously shaped LED shelter that looks like it cost a fortune.
- lostboyscratch 3y agotoilet?
- el_benhameen 3y ago“Coming soon!”
- blah_why_not 3y agobucket + [your choice of: sawdust, leaves, dirt, sand, etc.] --> bury it every few days, or chuck it in a dumpster
- zdragnar 3y agoAnimal bedding (pine shavings, essentially) works wonders, and is very inexpensive.
- Scoundreller 3y agowood pellets, but buy them from the hardware store for a fraction of the price of what the pet store sells them for. Dunno about the horse store.
- zdragnar 3y agoYou're right about getting it from a hardware store, but the bedding is cheaper and works much better than pellets: https://www.menards.com/main/pet-wildlife/rabbit-hutches-chicken-pens/marth-trade-pine-wood-shavings-animal-bedding-2-7-cubic-ft/mp04bg2750/p-105479389409-c-12936.htm?exp=false https://www.menards.com/main/pet-wildlife/rabbit-hutches-chi...
- omarfarooq 3y agoNature.
- ARandomerDude 3y agoWhat happens when you buy a tent, a bed, and a generator all on the same website? You’ll overspend by $30K.
- el_benhameen 3y agoThey’re burying the lede pretty deep: it costs 25 grand.
- ARandomerDude 3y agoPlus $2.50 per mile for shipping.
- plorg 3y agoIf they're delivering a single unit from the factory to your door with a round trip that's a pretty reasonable price regardless how silly the product may be.
- mike_d 3y agoThe current spot rate for an entire flatbed semi is $2.28/mile. A freight broker could get this to your door in a shared load for half that.
- xattt 3y agoAt that rate, living in a Jupe will be a necessity.
- sacnoradhq 3y agoThe median population center of America is around Indiana, so the average delivery charge will be ~3k. The total delivered cost with tax will be about 30k. Also, there is a threat of municipalities, including states, suing the manufacturer for selling manufactured homes that aren't up to code. While the cases may lack standing or merit, they have lawyers who can make it very expensive to stay in business regardless.
- dghlsakjg 3y agoBatteries not included at that price.
- sacnoradhq 3y agoMy '85 VW Westfalia poptop camper is still cheaper than that by acquisition price. (Not so cheap after solar, remodeling, restoration, and engine swap.)
- blah_why_not 3y agoYou can buy enough Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries to power an A/C unit for about $5k. Throw together a control system for solar panels, plus the solar panels to feed the batteries for under $1k And toss a canvas tent over it. Looking at $7-10k total, for your entire comfy off grid tent living system. Potentially includes a decent size Yurt at that price. Some system designs are available here: https://www.mobile-solarpower.com/ https://www.mobile-solarpower.com/ Kudos to Will Prowse for freely sharing his content. ...meanwhile, the most basic Jupe setup is $25k, not including tax: https://www.jupe.com/build https://www.jupe.com/build Yowza. As a formerly homeless person, I often wonder "Who has that kind of money?"
- footlose_3815 3y agoYeah, it's just a tent. Some random widlife looking for food or simply erosion will take it out.
- abroadwin 3y agoNot to mention: where are you going to put it? People who can't afford a house also often can't afford land, and you can't generally finance a land purchase with a mortgage, either (especially if you're dropping something like a Jupe there instead of planning to build a stick-built house).
- cyberax 3y agoLand in the US is _cheap_. You can easily buy a hectare of land in the middle of nowhere for $10k. If you want something more interesting, with your own water source and maybe some trees, you're looking for $20k for a 0.5 hectare lot.
- sacnoradhq 3y agoGetting to it and making a living between it and elsewhere is the problem. (Most American's aren't office workers.) Also, much of the land isn't exactly ideal due to hazards.[0] Furthermore, being 10+ miles from a serious hospital is a threat to life. 0. https://hazards.fema.gov/nri/map https://hazards.fema.gov/nri/map
- hm-nah 3y agoNeeds a hardtop asap.
- uptown 3y agoFor more Jupe content I encourage you to watch the Conan O’Brien segment about Jupe: https://youtu.be/3LCa_r1gbDA?si=3wDtBONOrGpdW68S https://youtu.be/3LCa_r1gbDA?si=3wDtBONOrGpdW68S
- pimlottc 3y agoThat clip is about an unrelated product called Joop. It’s also from a podcast and not his late night talk show (which is what most people are more familiar with).
- uptown 3y agoI had no idea. I was certain this was his late night set and that Jupe made both overpriced tents and cologne in the same factory.
- asynchronous 3y agoThis is quite literally one of the dumbest things I have ever seen. Can’t even claim “weather-proof”, which is the first step to making this worth anywhere near the $25k price tag.
- xattt 3y agoDidn’t see this first glance, but what’s the temperature range it’s built for? The walls look like they’d be good down to -20°C with the heat blasting.
- marssaxman 3y agoThat's not a shelter, that's highest-end "glamping"! For a minute there I thought this might be an upgrade from a hexayurt, itself already a remarkably luxurious camping shelter - but no, this serves a completely different clientele.
- semanticist 3y agoThis feels like it’s targeted at the kind of person who buys a managed experience trip to Burning Man.
- kyleee 3y agoIs that a thing? Like managed kubernetes but for burning man?
- uoaei 3y agoYes, there's a range of options. Some will drive your RV in and out, and set up / break down your amenities there. Others will offer full catering and transportation via plane. Generally the phenomenon is known as "plug n play" and the org has started cracking down on it harder. I met someone working as a caterer in such a camp in '22. Elon Musk was staying there. Stevie Nicks too. IIRC the camp was at 8:00 & F, the one with the mega-hexa-yurts behind the walls of shipping containers. Obviously I wasn't inside, I met them when they were off shift.
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- lukeify 3y agoHow do these withstand strong winds? How are they secured to the ground? Where I live we've had 21 of the last 30 days with a gust over 50km/h, with one day gusting 113km/h. Unless the structure is _very well_ secured to the ground, the fabric material looks like a rather inviting windsail, and the supporting structure doesn't seem to inspire confidence either. My immediate thought is that these very much look "designed for where it's 72°F and Sunny", and don't reflect real-world post-disaster conditions.
- TylerE 3y agoIt’s clearly not for disasters. Three no provision for sanitation or cooking or anything like that.
- sneak 3y agoSomewhat related: the Boxabl people told me this week that their preorder waitlist is 170,000 people deep. (Boxabls are more expensive and have plumbing and expect to be hooked up to grid power and other utilities.) I think cheap, tiny dwellings are going to be a huge market. Not sure if something without a toilet qualifies, however.
- TylerE 3y agoIt isn’t remotely a dwelling. It doesn’t have walls. There’s no physical security.
- upon_drumhead 3y agoThey list that number on their website https://invest.boxabl.com/ https://invest.boxabl.com/ > 170,000+ people have indicated interest by reserving a Casita on our website, representing over $10bn in potential revenue if they each purchased a Casita. Reservations do not require purchase of a Casita and there is no assurance of how many will result in actual purchases. That’s gotta be hugely inflated. If they required any sort of down payment, then I’d believe the number is close, but this one required nothing. https://www.boxabl.com/order/ https://www.boxabl.com/order/
- spondylosaurus 3y agoThe director's bio describes him as a "serial entrepreneur," which doesn't inspire confidence. Nor does the project being based out Las Vegas (which I say as a Vegas resident... this town is full of get-rich-quick grifters :P)
- almost_usual 3y ago> I think cheap, tiny dwellings are going to be a huge market. Not sure if something without a toilet qualifies, however. Huge market for who? Airbnbs and landlords? People who actually own land and want to live in one of these?
- Johnny555 3y agoYou can buy a 17 foot travel trailer for less than $15k and it includes a toilet, shower and cooking facilities. Harder to ship in bulk but I bet you can get it delivered anywhere in the continental USA for less than the $2.50/mile Jupe is charging.
- sacnoradhq 3y agoThat's immediately what I thought. Plus, there is no absolutely no way this will withstand a 70 mph windstorm while you can fold a travel trailer down in a reasonable amount of time. It's not a secure, real, permanent shelter that conforms to building codes: it's an illusionary shortcut.
- slfnflctd 3y agoA few years ago I considered putting together an 'off grid kit' for people looking to buy themselves some time in nature to get away from the grind. I thought through heating, cooling, water, food and toilet options, as well as help locating land to set up on. I considered a range of shelters, from a rugged tent to a larger, stronger structure. I also wanted to include a 1-year subscription to an emergency satellite beacon. I actually wanted the whole setup to be able to last someone a year, or longer after re-upping basic supplies. The plan was to make it as affordable as possible. The conclusion I eventually came to was that to get to a remotely reasonable price point (around $10k at the time), anyone motivated enough to pursue this would probably find better solutions on the market-- like your example of a travel trailer. Whatever these guys are doing is nowhere near that and not what the headline made me think of. It's definitely not going to help anyone who doesn't already have tons of other options.
- pavel_lishin 3y agoI think most people who want to spend a year off-grid are the sort who already have some expertise in this, and would prefer to do their own shopping & research, and would not trust a one-size-fits-all solution. The exception is the people who want to do that, and don't know anything about it, and would pay $10k for such a thing, set it up in the woods, and get eaten by a bear, fall down a ravine, or eat some poisonous flora on their third night.
- eitland 3y agoMy biggest issue with this is they are going to be an enoumous source of pollution.
- raydiatian 3y agoGood to know there are products targeted at exclusively the ultra wealthy. Was worried that with all of the calls for them to pay their fair share of taxes that the markets for them would dry up. /s
- quirkot 3y ago>> designed by former SpaceX & Tesla earthlings Man, for a company that is passionate about space stuff, they sure don't seem to care at all about experiencing the night sky. tent made out of glow tubes? madness
- totallynotabot 3y agoWatch the Jupe + YC CEOs video on the site and tell me it’s not a parody. Dude dressed like a guru talking about a glamping tent like it’s as ground breaking as a Tesla and will solve world housing. Wild.
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- jb_gericke 3y agoI can see these popping up all over the show at Burning Man. Maybe the guru dude just knows his audience?
- Scoundreller 3y agoThere are already better "hexayurt" designs for BM better-designed to block/reflect all sunlight, made with foilized foam boards. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexayurt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexayurt
- pengaru 3y ago> There are already better "hexayurt" designs for BM better-designed to block/reflect all sunlight, made with foilized foam boards. Have you ever actually occupied a hexayurt throughout a full summer day at burning man? My limited experience was that the typical one as executed @BM is just a dark, sweaty, oven. Excellent insulation by itself is a trap. Once you insulate a space with polyiso, you need good ventilation and heat removal. It's not really a good match for something so ad-hoc.
- Scoundreller 3y agoNegative, but they appear popular. My guess is that they buy you a few extra hours of coolness in the morning if you open/close openings at the right time. Obvs you don't want to be in a hermetically sealed box ever.
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- jmpeax 3y agoDoes this work where a website writes its own press releases, then the lazy press publish it, then the website includes what is effectively their own writing on their website as if they're quotes from the press?
- natnatenathan 3y agoBefore I watched the video, I thought this was going to be a non-profit (or a b-corp) trying to make high quality/ low cost tents to house the many refugees around the word. I clicked on the link thinking - what a great cause.... I only made it about one minute into the video. When I skipped forward and saw all the electronics under the "doug fir" panel, I was super confused. Why do they need all that tech? Do random people really need lights/ solar in your perma-tent? The people I know who are interested in something like this just end up building a platform on their land and either setting up a canvas tent, or just hiking in with their own.
- eternityforest 3y agoIt's amazing how many things use lighting as a selling point. It's a cool effect if you're into Burning Man inspired aesthetics... But I'd rather just have an LED lantern and a headlight
- whyenot 3y agowater? septic? Peeing and pooping in the woods is not scaleable.
- callalex 3y agoNah man they’re disrupting and decentralizing housing according to the video.
- flower-giraffe 3y agoThey didn’t think too hard about the name. Jupe pronounced like dupe. dupe -to trick or cheat someone.
- Scoundreller 3y agoAlso French for a "skirt".
- alwa 3y agoOf course a jupe table is also a round table that spins outward to expand, e.g. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ksrgRjq8ksI&t=13 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ksrgRjq8ksI&t=13
- wmf 3y agoLooks like a luxury version of the IKEA/BetterShelter but 20x the price. https://www.dezeen.com/2013/07/03/ikea-develops-flat-pack-refugee-shelters/ https://www.dezeen.com/2013/07/03/ikea-develops-flat-pack-re... Jupe should be great for the west coast market: https://themessenger.com/news/l-a-built-a-licensed-tent-city-for-its-homeless-at-cost-of-44k-per-tent https://themessenger.com/news/l-a-built-a-licensed-tent-city...
- varelse 3y ago[dead]
- thrillgore 3y agoInteresting design that solves nothing.
- dymk 3y agoWho's the target? Firefest copycats?
- jitl 3y agoI don’t think this is for consumers, the “order quantity” input for something that costs more than a car is a give away. I think this product is well suited for a eco-resort business. Build a conventional lodge structure to serve meals and host activities, add a few hubs with showers, washing machines, etc, and then plenty of Jupes around each hub. Connect with elevated wood pathways. This is the sort of place I’m imagining: https://www.booking.com/hotel/cr/kintiri-glamping.html?aid=2373817 https://www.booking.com/hotel/cr/kintiri-glamping.html?aid=2...
- adasdasdas 3y agoThis thread reminds of facebook comments of people saying AWS is dumb because you can just put 10 CPUs and 5 sticks of ram for a quarter of the price. I don't get what's so hard to understand here, it just glamping for rich people who aren't very outdoorsy.
- callalex 3y agoA luxury Class A motor home or a nice trailer serves that market way more effectively and comfortably and those have existed for 3/4 of a century.
- oceanplexian 3y agoI see we're now progressing from $80,000 Van Life to $25,000 Tent Life. The economy is really hitting the influencers hard these days.
- jrflowers 3y agoThis is a good product. When I think about spending twenty five thousand dollars on shelter, digging a hole to shit in is the first thing that I picture. For this much money I deserve the luxury of escaping the tyranny of running water and septic systems.
- justinclift 3y agoThese would have been perfect at the Fyre Festival. ;)
- thefascistleft 3y ago[dead]
- verve_rat 3y agoJesus that's a lot of marketing wank to say "it's a fancy tent".
- 3seashells 3y agoThat one guy building a fire, getting smoked and hammered, then sleeping it out in this. Now your jupw smells like smoke, vomit and weed. Idea is dead. Next.
- tanepiper 3y agoAn Ice Fishing Tent is a popup shelter, this still requires a team of engineers to actually erect the thing.
- hkt 3y agoHilarious. What an absurd product. You can build a pretty luxurious tiny house for less than the basic model, and grab yourself a composting toilet system with a flush, too. If you're thrifty, you could upgrade to a photovoltaic-thermal panel and a tank for rainwater harvesting so you can shower too.
- _jplc 3y agoIntroducing: The Cybertent
- joncp 3y agoThis feels like the Juicero of tents.
- makingstuffs 3y agoThink I’ll stick to my tent/gazebo setup, thanks. $25k for a fancy tent to be closer to nature seems like defeating the purpose to me.
- 3m 3y agoThis is beyond the Juicero level of startup nonsense. Watching the video of Gerry Tan and the founder describing the design as “space warping” was tedious.
- infecto 3y agoIs this product a joke? $25k for what looks like a tent that will have no longevity in the elements? And on the site it has marketing about renting out? Lowes sells barn kits this two story one is $15k. Has a roof, actual wood framing. https://www.lowes.com/pd/Best-Barns-Virginia-16-ft-x-24-ft-Wood-Storage-Shed/5014668255 https://www.lowes.com/pd/Best-Barns-Virginia-16-ft-x-24-ft-W...
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- jstarfish 3y agoThing looks like the garbage barges the Jawas in Star Wars live in. For $25k they'll lug solar panels and a luxury mattress out to the middle of nowhere, where you'll then experience the indignity of squatting and shitting on the ground like an impoverished animal.
- cyanydeez 3y agoRich people are weird
- simg 3y agofor $25K I could get an off grid shelter that I could drive around!
- simple10 3y ago$25k for Jupe or <$500 for a cheap canvas tent [1]. Jupe looks cool, but the marketing positioning of somehow solving homelessness is a bit overstated. I did an exploratory project during covid lockdown for backyard ADUs. It's difficult to get the manufacturing and install costs below $30k USD for a durable & powered structure. [1] https://www.wayfair.com/outdoor/pdp/vevor-8-person-100-cotton-canvas-bell-tent-13-ft-in-dia-waterproof-canvas-camping-tent-fxnu1427.html https://www.wayfair.com/outdoor/pdp/vevor-8-person-100-cotto...