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Maybe it's just A/B testing, but I got the "3 strikes and no more video playback" thing, which this DOM element blocking doesn't work around it seems :( After
by _huayra_ 3y ago
Maybe it's just A/B testing, but I got the "3 strikes and no more video playback" thing, which this DOM element blocking doesn't work around it seems :(
After years of procrastinating, I'm finally gonna get around to setting up a basic homelab to run pihole. Thanks, youtube execs and bean counters, for kicking my lazy ass into gear on this!
In a way, I kinda wish that ads worked as well as youtube suggestions. If one has good enough willpower / mental health to not use youtube as a coping device, suggestions are really amazing. I've seen so many great conference talks and other videos that have O(100) views that I would have never heard about otherwise. Ads, however, still think I'm gonna overpay for aliexpress drop-shipped items, or that I need to make a basic purchase into a way of life (e.g. that cooler company that now is somehow a lifestyle brand).
- hsbauauvhabzb 3y agoPihole won’t fix YouTube, it’s good for mobile apps but less reliable than ublock origin - using both is best.
- nickthegreek 3y agoI believe this is what you are looking for: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37873749 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37873749 But I also recommend purchasing YouTube Premium if you watch a decent amount. I find it to be a great value.
- giggyhack 3y agoAlso, YT Premium is free with Google Fi phones and other things
- up_o 3y agois it? I've had fi for years and never noticed. I also don't watch much yt so it's not something I'm apt to notice I suppose.
- knappe 3y agoI was curious about this and it is true only if you have an unlimited plus plan. https://support.google.com/fi/answer/12999259?hl=en https://support.google.com/fi/answer/12999259?hl=en
- aninteger 3y agoThis is news to me and I don't think this is true... or it's maybe hidden away somewhere. I am a Fi subscriber using a Google Pixel phone but YouTube premium is still $13.99/month.
- mike_d 3y agoUnlimited Plus (the plan with free YouTube Premium) is a dollar more per month than just buying the Unlimited plan and YT Premium separately. You also only get it free for a year.
- alwayslikethis 3y agoAt this point, I consider blocking ads to be a moral obligation. By giving in, you enable Youtube to abuse users further
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- gruez 3y agoWhat's the point of blocking ads when they're already not present? Or are you saying that we should block ads and refuse to pay? How is that sustainable in the long term? If you're against ads, shouldn't you support monetization models that don't involve ads?
- jona-f 3y agoWe treat google how they treat us, as exploitive as possible.
- mvdtnz 3y agoYou're just rationalising. You know it's not a defensible position.
- Spivak 3y agoSure it is, you're not even involved in the transaction. Just because someone pays Google to show an ad doesn't mean you have to look at it. USPS is funded by ads going through the mail and I throw them straight in the trash without remorse. I bet you do too. Bet you don't feel guilt about going to the bathroom or fast-forwarding your DVR during commercials either. Ad space is sold on the possibility that someone will see it and you don't owe anyone valuable ad real-estate. It's wild how many people unironically think "drink verification can" is in any way acceptable.
- gruez 3y ago> Just because someone pays Google to show an ad doesn't mean you have to look at it Just because someone has an internet connection doesn't mean google has to serve them videos, either.
- momirlan 3y agothis comment never fails to appear on any Youtube blocker thread. Good for you that you pay Youtube , but stop rubbing it in our faces. each person has its own standards
- gruez 3y ago>each person has its own standards What's your standard then? "It's my right to get whatever content/service I want for free and without ads, and I'll only pay if I feel like it"?
- argiopetech 3y ago"Youtube is a video sharing platform. It's not sharing if I have to pay."
- tomrod 3y agoIf I've ever contributed content that YouTube now shows ads on, absolutely. (I have). YouTube is a video sharing platform. It's not sharing if I have to pay in cash or time.
- momirlan 3y agoyes
- unshavedyak 3y agoI'd buy it, but $14/m is way too much for no ads imo. Especially since this is a "free" service where the justification for me paying X$/m is because i have to offset the ads i would have otherwise watched. You're (Youtube, not OP hah) telling me i provided $14/m in ad revenue? Of course not. I'd insta-buy if i could just pay to skip any ads i actually would have watched. Give me a stat showing me how many ads i missed, and how much i owe. Justify the cost you're forcing on me. Instead i'll just drop youtube and give money to some other service that doesn't feel like it's focused on gaming me.
- paulcole 3y ago> Instead i'll just drop youtube I’d pay $100 if there was some way to legitimately verify this because it’s nonsense IMO. How is getting you to pay a reasonable subscription or watch ads in exchange for videos you ostensibly enjoy “gaming you”?
- hkt 3y agoThe data of rich profiles is enormously valuable to Google. They allow Google unparalleled ability to target ads elsewhere, too. That's the game.
- paulcole 3y agoOK, but they make YouTube. They make the rules of the game. Pay for it with $$$ or by watching Ads, don’t watch YouTube, or pretend there’s some kind of morality in stealing it.
- hkt 3y ago"Stealing". Bless you, not giving up data while accessing something public is not stealing. Defending yourself against surveillance is morally unambiguous. Society as a whole, across the entire world, needs to start talking about how we support these services in a post-ad-revenue-model world. I suspect whatever the answer we settle on, it'll be less awful than what exists now.
- kristofferR 3y agoYoutube Premium is a waste of money, they bundle a crappy $11/m music service with it, for $13/m. It's worse than having to pay for cable or landline telephone to get internet. I'd pay $2/m, or even $4 bucks, for ad-free Youtube, but I'm not buying an additional music service I don't want or need.
- melevittfl 3y agoYup, this is exactly why I don’t subscribe. I already pay for Spotify so I don’t need another music service. I’d happily pay for just no ads.
- huytersd 3y agoIt costs too much. I wish they would unbundle it from that music service.
- russh 3y agoExactly, I used to subscribe to premium but it’s not worth the price just to avoid ads and I have no use for the rest of the stuff they bundle into premium to justify the price.
- 3np 3y agoCheck out https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped/ https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped/ + https://libredirect.github.io/ https://libredirect.github.io/ for your homelab. Related parallel thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37881771 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37881771
- SteveNuts 3y agoI'm pretty sure pihole doesn't block YouTube ads, they seem to be served server side but I could be wrong
- heavyset_go 3y agoThis is the case.
- mikenew 3y agoYeah I set up a pihole a while back and abandoned it because I couldn't get it to block YouTube ads.
- nabakin 3y agoYou're 100% correct. PiHole is a DNS adblocker so, essentially, it's only able to block whole domains. My understanding is Google puts YouTube ads behind the YouTube domain so if the PiHole blocked YouTube ads, it would block the entire YouTube website which defeats the purpose.
- FoxBJK 3y agoIt's been awhile since I looked, but when I did a few years ago they had hundreds of subdomains for their videos (both regular and ads) and would rotate what they're used for all the time. That's why its basically impossible for PiHole to anything.
- thaumasiotes 3y agoYoutube-dl (well, yt-dlp, the non-dead version) will ignore the ads.
- philistine 3y agoyeah but how do you setup a one-stop-shop solution to download the new videos from channels you follow?
- fshr 3y ago
- ajsnigrutin 3y agoOpen the video in an incognito tab, the limit is probably linked to your youtube/google account.
- snapplebobapple 3y agoThis is what i did when i got the "we are going to start blocking playback ...." Message and it worked great. Moral of the story is track content creators you like with rss and you dont need to be logged in.
- ajsnigrutin 3y agoI was planning to code this with yt-dlp, to just download the videos and never open the webside again.... I just have to figure out how to implement sponsor-block, to remove the "this video is sponsored by shadow raid vpn" messages... probably can be done with ffmpeg :)
- mainpassathome 3y agoeither use and nvidous instance that had sponsorblock(?) or use mpv with the sponsorblock script in your program
- garblegarble 3y agoGood news! yt-dlp already has sponsorblock built-in :-) Have a look in the --help text output for the "sponsorblock-remove" arg.
- ajsnigrutin 3y agoJust saw the other comment! Thank you!
- Nullabillity 3y agoyt-dlp --sponsorblock-remove default
- ecliptik 3y agoIf you're planning to setup a homelab, look into Invidious [1] or Piped [2] self-hosting too. Mix well with Tailscale (or your mesh VPN of choice) and enjoy. 1. https://invidious.io/ https://invidious.io/ 2. https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped
- brucethemoose2 3y agoThis sounds like Valve's "piracy is a service problem" ethos, butvfor ads, where YouTube is crossing the threshold of making the ads so inconvenient their efforts will be counterproductive (but not quantifiably counterproductive to bean counters... Yet.)
- worewood 3y agoI agree. I used to watch youtube with ads, no problem. But then there was the infamous update that made ads really annoying, usually it was 5s before a video and then it became two unskippable ads in the star plus an ad every 10 minutes or so. That's when I started using an ad block.
- hsbauauvhabzb 3y agoValve doesn’t charge $14/month of which $12/month is for a premium music service bundle though, which in my books is a pretty big factor.
- scarface_74 3y agoIf only there were a premium version of YouTube that you could pay for to avoid seeing ads…
- mvdtnz 3y agoMate if you get so much value from YouTube that you'll jump through these hoops just to use it without ads, why not just subscribe to premium? Personally it's by far my most bang-for-buck service.
- karmasimida 3y agoYeah, the amount of effort and money spent to maintain such system is easily more expensive than just do the subscription at this point Yeah, you might be losing the game, you are winning the game as well.
- Diti 3y agoI don’t know about OP, but, personally, the reason I don’t subscribe to premium is because they get aggressive on ads on purpose (waves of unskippable ads followed by a YouTube Premium subscription request the day after), which I believe is a dark pattern. I would have been okay with paying for a subscription if it was to support the website or its creators – but I take manipulation attempts very badly.
- epgui 3y ago+1 I wouldn’t even notice the subscription costs, but at this point Google has only succeeded in alienating me. I have disproportionately negative feelings about this.
- throw_nbvc1234 3y agoIf you had willingly jumped from ad block to premium any time in the last 5 years would you still feel alienated? Reacting to google blocking ad-blockers as a reason not to subscribe to premium is just rationalizing not paying creators for content. I personally don't even remember what ads are like on Youtube and have zero idea how they've changed since the Youtube Red days.
- depereo 3y agoI had Red through my google play music subscription but then they turned music into a YouTube nonsense app that removed features I liked and tripled the costs. I'd subscribe to YouTube premium if it didn't bundle a music subscription and associated cost.
- paulcole 3y agoIf you like watching YouTube videos just pay for YouTube Premium. It’s worth it.
- Arch485 3y agoThe "only 3 more videos" thing is easy to get around (at least it was for me): Turn your adblocker off, and watch YouTube until an ad plays. Then, turn your adblocker back on. I don't even get the anti-ad blocker popups anymore.
- hexfish 3y agoDisable 'auto play next video'
- bondarchuk 3y agoBut then you get to see an ad. Not really a workaround imo.
- bombcar 3y agoMute the volume and close your eyes!
- Mengkudulangsat 3y agoI just open the adblock settings and clear the cache.
- anothernewdude 3y agoI welcome the block frankly. Youtube is both a productivity hole and a recreation hole. I welcome more actual entertainment and work back into my life.
- jpk2f2 3y agoSwapped to Brave browser finally, it worked out of box to block YouTube adblock-blocker.
- mkka 3y agoYesterday at least. Same for me initially but now not so much. Time will tell. Current process is to disable the blockers then refresh until the video is served without an add, usually after two or three times, then re-enable.