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Wow. I consider myself pretty open minded but the idea that trees are releasing chemicals to seed clouds with is more amazing than I could've envisaged.
by nuc1e0n 3y ago
Wow. I consider myself pretty open minded but the idea that trees are releasing chemicals to seed clouds with is more amazing than I could've envisaged.
- ChatGTP 3y agoSame it’s absolutely beautiful. Makes you realise how amazing the natural world (everything pre-industrial times) is. I’d absolutely love to go back 300 years and smell the forests and dive over pristine reefs. Anyway this has given me more motivation than ever to restart my guerrilla gardening efforts, planting trees in abandoned farmland in my locale.
- unsupp0rted 3y agoBeavers building dams is the amazing natural world. Humans building dams is a sin against the natural world.
- sitkack 3y agoWe live in Mordor and have the ring.
- glhaynes 3y agoSome of the most unreligious people I know are also the most bought-into the idea of a nature/humans dichotomy.
- goatlover 3y agoWhat if you told them that indigenous people pre-colonization sometimes built dams, dikes and aqueducts, and made use of irrigation?
- badpun 3y agoIndigenous people pre-colonization had in many cases pretty advanced civilizations going on, with decent-sized cities etc.
- glhaynes 3y agoA lot of those same people seem to treat indigenous people as outside of being touched by the "original sin" that the rest of us are.
- goatlover 3y agoThe original sin of farming, or hierarchy, or city dwelling. Problem is that the dividing line between our hunter-gatherer ancestors and civilization are murky and spread out over millennia, and across the planet in varying degrees.
- ethanbond 3y agoIf beavers got as good as we did, they’d be wrong too.
- ChatGTP 3y agoIf beavers did what we’ve done, we’d exterminate them because it would be an inconvenience for us heh
- pixl97 3y agoIt's almost like scale is a quality of its own. Dropping a snowball on you might tick you off. Dropping an avalanche on you, and you probably won't have much to say.
- ChatGTP 3y agoVery correct. A world with co2 emissions from fire stick farming is a whole different game to what we’ve done in the last 100 years.
- ChatGTP 3y agoExcept your injecting all this into the conversation right ? I never said it’s “wrong” for anyone to build a dam. I’m saying I’d like to see a world without mega dams, is that ok ? I blasphemed against modernity…
- SoftTalker 3y ago> I’d absolutely love to go back 300 years It'd be fun if you could time travel and do it for a few days. I really doubt you'd want to live in that time forever.
- volkk 3y agounrelated to the broader tree discussion, but i find this comment incredibly indicative of the type of forum this is. only with engineers do you have to state your point and enumerate through all edge cases around how your idea can be interpreted even though GP PROBABLY didn't mean go back and live there until the end of his life. But even so, that's a derailment of the entire discussion anyway. You always have a person that needs to point out something inane like that which ends up causing a tangent discussion. On a forum, it's fine, you have threads, you can just ignore it and move on, but a lot of meetings & real conversations end up this way. there has to be a name for this because I want to call it something and then coach people out of it
- SoftTalker 3y ago> On a forum, it's fine, you have threads, you can just ignore it and move on Yet we're on a forum, and you're not taking your own advice?
- volkk 3y ago> On a forum, it's fine, you have threads, you can just ignore it and move on, I should note that ^ -- but it also proves my point. Digressions have gravity. And now this digression has created a complete fork of the original intended post.
- SoftTalker 3y agoWell that's how conversations go, coach. One thought leads to another, sometime tangentially. Don't worry, I'm done here now.
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- pixl97 3y ago300? You mean closer to 30,000 years right? Humans have been shaping the world with fire for a long time.
- ChatGTP 3y agoNo 300 would be fine. I’m ok with fire stick farming, it makes forests beautiful, visit North Western Austalia during the dry season if you want to see a truly beautiful landscape shaped by indigenous fire stick farming.
- fnordpiglet 3y agoI wonder if this is industrializable as cloud seeding tech?
- liquidpele 3y agoI mean… Why not just industrialize the planting of trees for that? The damn things are practically free…
- dopidopHN 3y agoYeah. Thanks for sanity. I react the same to “we should build drone to pollinate our food if bees are sick.” Poorly re-inventing the wheels is silly.
- mcmoor 3y agoI mean human pollinators already outperform bees so if we only care for productivity there's room to grow
- jes5199 3y agowe need to get better at it, a lot of reforestation projects fail to successfully establish a new population of trees
- fnordpiglet 3y agoThere are a lot of places that need rain that don’t have the climate to support a forest. Further, if this effect scales with quantity you can seed areas experiencing droughts. Essentially the same reason we’ve been researching cloud seeding to date.
- jokoon 3y agoAre you french and is envisage an English word?
- deadletters 3y agoIt is, in fact
- bobbylarrybobby 3y agoEnvisage is English