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This announcement seem to have killed so many startups that were trying to do multi-modal on top of ChatGPT. The way it's progressing with solving use cases wit
by suyash 3y ago
This announcement seem to have killed so many startups that were trying to do multi-modal on top of ChatGPT. The way it's progressing with solving use cases with images and voice, not too far when it might be the 'one app to rule them all'.
I can already see "Alexa/Siri/Google Home" replacement, "Google Image Search" replacement, ed-tech startups that were solving problems with AI using by taking a photo are also doomed and more to follow.
- moneywoes 3y agoany pertinent examples? i’m curious how they pivot
- nunobrito 3y agoIt already replaced search engines. So much easier to write the question and explore the answers until it is solved.
- suyash 3y agowho would have thought that few years ago, just goes to show that a Giant like Google is also susceptible when they stop innovating. The real battle is going to be fought between these two as Google's business is majorly dependent on search ads.
- orbital-decay 3y agoIt rather created new hybrid search engines, like perplexity and phind.
- adr1an 3y agoTrue. Although the training is on a snapshot of websites, including q&a like stackoverflow. If these were replaced too, where are we heading? We'll have to wait and see. One concern would be centralization/ lack of options and diversity. Stackoverflow started rolling AI on its own, despite the controversial way it did (dismissing long time contributors); it might be correctly following the trend.
- JTon 3y agoAgreed except ChatGPT (3.5 at least, haven't tried 4) is unable to provide primary sources for its results. At least when I tried, it just provided hallucinated urls
- mhb 3y agoTry it. There's a world of difference.
- JTon 3y agoIn general or for this specific application (linking primary sources)?
- whimsicalism 3y agoi love gpt-4 and i find chatgpt useless. so there is a big difference
- nunobrito 3y agoGPT4All is capable of providing sources. This seems more to be a legal defense mechanism by ChatGPT than a technical obstacle.
- mmahemoff 3y agoTook me a while to realise I can just type search queries into ChatGPT. e.g. simply "london bridge history" or whatever into the chat and not only get a complete answer, but I can ask it follow-up questions. And it's also personalised for the kinds of responses I want, thanks to the custom instructions setting. ChatGPT is my primary search engine now. (I just wish it would accept a URL query parameter so it could be launched straight from the browser address bar.)
- nunobrito 3y agoYMMV. For my case on software development, I don't even look on stackoverflow anymore. Just type the tech question, start refining into what is needed and get a snippet of code tailored for what is needed. What previously would take 30 to 60 minutes of research and testing is now less than a couple of minutes.
- reitanqild 3y agoAnd I don't have to wade through Stack Overflow and see all the times mods and others have tried to or succeeded in closing down very useful questions.
- aduitsis 3y agoFortunately it's not like StackOverflow has been used as training data for LLMs, right?
- TeMPOraL 3y agoWell, yes. Point is, GPT-4 read the entire StackOverflow and then some, comprehended it, and now is a better interface to it, more specific and free of all the bullshit that's part of the regular web.
- devjab 3y agoI know there are a lot of google programmers out there, but was using search engines for programming ever a good idea? Don’t get me wrong, I’ll look up how to do absolutely simple things every day but I basically always look in the official documentation. Which may be why I’ve been very underwhelmed by GPT so far. It’s not terrible at programming, and it’s certainly better than what I can find on Google, but it’s not better than simply looking up how things work. I’m really curious as to why it hasn’t put a more heavy weight on official documentation for its answers, they must’ve scraped that a long with all the other stuff, yet it’ll give you absolutely horrible suggestions when the real answer must be in its dataset. Maybe that would be weird for less common things, but it’s so terrible at JavaScript that it might even be able to write some of those StackOverflow answers if we’re being satirical, and the entire documentation for that would’ve been very easy to flag as important.
- layer8 3y agoThis is funny, because I find it much less cumbersome to type a few search terms into a search engine and explore the links it spits out.
- mrits 3y agoIt depends on the subject but search engines are on the decline. With so many fake website written by AI I can only see it get worse. The most extreme I can think of is when I want to find when a show comes out and I have to read 10 paragraphs from 5 different sites to realize no one knows.
- layer8 3y ago> The most extreme I can think of is when I want to find when a show comes out and I have to read 10 paragraphs from 5 different sites to realize no one knows. I found that you can be pretty sure no one knows if it’s not already right on the results page. And if the displayed quote for a link on the results page is something like “wondering when show X is coming out?”, then it’s also a safe bet that clicking that link will be useless. You learn those patterns fast, and then the search is fast as well.
- mrits 3y agoI don't disagree but having to have a learning phase for patterns sounds a bit like people clinging to an old way of things.
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- NikolaNovak 3y agoTalking to Google and Siri has been positively frustrating this year. On long solo drives, I just want to have a conversation to learn about random things. I've been itching to "talk" to chatGPT and learn more (french | music theory | history | math | whatever) all summer. This should hit the spot!
- jgalt212 3y agoI assume you have never heard of podcasts.
- catchnear4321 3y agoyou can ask podcasts questions? and they answer you?
- jgalt212 3y agono, but they don't get the answer wrong 20% of the time and give off 100% correctness vibes.
- catchnear4321 3y agoneither does a tuba. why be mad at a hammer if you hit your thumb with it?
- olddustytrail 3y agoNo, generally podcasts are far worse than that...
- subw00f 3y agoI'm sure one can talk to their podcasts, but I would be worried if they ever answered me back.
- ChatGTP 3y agoI still don't understand how you can talk to something that doesn't provide factual information and just take it at face value? The other day I asked it about the place I live and it made up nonsense, I was trying to get it to help me with an essay and it was just wrong, it was telling me things about this region that weren't real. Do we just drive through a town, ask for a made up history about it and just be satisfied with whatever is provided?
- gwd 3y agoIn retrospect, such startups should have been wary: they should have known that OpenAI had Whisper, and also that GPT-4 was designed with image modality. I wouldn't say that OpenAI "telegraphed" their intentions, but the very first strategic question should have been, "Why isn't OpenAI doing this already, and what do we do if they decide to start?"
- xeonmc 3y agoSeems nobody learns from Sherlock.
- Tenoke 3y ago>I wouldn't say that OpenAI "telegraphed" their intentions They did telegraph it, they showed the multimodal capabilities back in the GPT4 Developer Livestream[0] right before first releasing it. 0. https://youtu.be/outcGtbnMuQ?t=943 https://youtu.be/outcGtbnMuQ?t=943
- makestuff 3y agoYeah I remember watching that and thinking oh I know a cool app idea. What if you just take a video of what food is in your kitchen and Chat GPT will create a recipe for you. I go to the docs and that was literally the example they gave. I think the only place where plugins will make sense are for realtime things like booking travel or searching for sports/stock market/etc type information.
- tornato7 3y agoI have a home-spun version of ChatGPT that uses function calling to connect to my emails, calendar, and notes. This is really useful because I can say "Bob just emailed me to set up a call. Respond to Bob with some available times from my calendar." That will be the real use case for plug ins.
- shanusmagnus 3y agoIt would hard to be more explicit than doing a demo of multi-modality in GPT-4, and having an audio API that is amazing and that you can use right now, for pennies. It would be interesting to know if this really changed anything for anyone (competitors, VCs) for that reason. It's like the efficient market hypothesis applied to product roadmaps.
- gumballindie 3y agoThis is good news - those ai companies have been freed to work on something else, along with the ai workers they employ. This is of great benefit to society.
- amelius 3y ago"Don't build your castle in someone else's kingdom."
- w-m 3y agoI don't think anybody following OpenAI's feature releases will be caught off guard by ChatGPT becoming multi-modal. The app already features voice input. That still translates voice into text before sending, but it works so well that you basically never need to check or correct anything. Rather, you might have already been asking yourself why it doesn't reply back with a voice already. And the ability ingest images was a highlight and all the hype of the GPT-4 announcement back in March: https://openai.com/research/gpt-4 https://openai.com/research/gpt-4
- mistrial9 3y agoone of the original training sets for the BERT series is called 'BookCorpus', accumulated by regular grad students for Natural Language Processing science. Part of the content was specifically and exactly purposed to "align" movies and video with written text. That is partly why it contains several thousand teen romance novels and ordinary paperback-style story telling content. What else is in there? "inquiring minds want to know"
- benreesman 3y agoI’ve got one eye on https://www.elto.ai/ https://www.elto.ai/. I was pitching something I like better earlier this year (I still think they’re missing a few key things), but with backing from roughly YC, Meta, and God, and a pretty clear understanding that robustness goes up a lot faster than capability goes down? I wouldn’t count out focused, revenue-oriented players with Meta’s shit in their pocket out just yet.
- moneywoes 3y agowow Elto seems to kill many of the incumbents in this niche what do you think they’re missing? i was trying to build a diaper but it would be impossible to compete with these guys
- layer8 3y agoI never understood why they thought that this wouldn’t happen.
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- _pdp_ 3y agoThere is still a lot to do.
- wslh 3y agoNot only "Alexa/Siri/Google Home" but Google Search [ALL] itself. Google was a pioneer in search engines adding a page ranking / graph layers as a meaning but technologies such as ChatGPT could add a real layer of meaning, at least improve current Google Search approach. The future of search seems more conversational and contextual. BTW, I expect these technologies to be democratized and the training be in the hands of more people, if not everyone.
- idopmstuff 3y agoIt increasingly feels to me like building any kind of general-use AI tool or app is a bad choice. I see two viable AI business models: 1. Domain-specific AI - Training an AI model on highly technical and specific topics that general-purpose AI models don't excel at. 2. Integration - If you're going to build on an existing AI model, don't focus on adding more capabilities. Instead, focus on integrating it into companies' and users' existing workflows. Use it to automate internal processes and connect systems in ways that weren't previously possible. This adds a lot of value and isn't something that companies developing AI models are liable to do themselves. The two will often go hand-in-hand.
- Renaud 3y ago> building any kind of general-use AI tool or app is a bad choice Maybe not if you rely on models that can be ran locally. OpenAI is big now, and will probably stay big, but with hardware acceleration, AI-anything will become ubiquitous and OpenAI won’t be able to control a domain that’s probably going to be as wide as what computing is already today. The shape of what’s coming is hard to imagine now. I feel like the kid I was when I got my first 8-bit computer in the eighties: I knew it was going to change the world, but I had little idea how far, wide and fast it would be.
- moneywoes 3y agor.e. local models, are you thinking about privacy oriented use cases say hippa? any pertinent examples?
- idopmstuff 3y agoThere are plenty of OS models being released - there's going to be a steadily increasing quantity + quality of models you can run locally. I don't think it's a good place to compete.
- moneywoes 3y ago> Instead, focus on integrating it into companies' and users' existing workflows. Use it to automate internal processes and connect systems in ways that weren't previously possible why wouldn’t a company do that themselves e.g. how inter come has vertically integrated AI? any examples?
- codingdave 3y agoLast I heard, OpenAI was losing massive amounts of money to run all this. Has that changed? Because past history shows that the first out of the gate is not the definitive winner much of the time. We aren't still using gopher. We aren't searching with altavista. We don't connect to the internet with AOL. AI is going to change many things. That is all the more reason to keep working on how best to make it work, not give up and assume that efforts are "doomed" just because someone else built a functional tool first.
- tessierashpool 3y agoyou're absolutely right. also, I did not know until today's thread that OpenAI's stated goal is building AGI. which is probably never going to happen, ever, no matter how good technology gets. which means yes, we are absolutely looking at AltaVista here, not Google, because if you subtract a cult from an innovative business, you might be able to produce a profitable business.
- captnObvious 3y agoWhy isn’t AGI ever going to happen? Ever?
- sdenton4 3y agoBecause the goalposts are currently somewhere near Neptune, and expected to catch up to Voyager sometime in the next couple years.
- m3kw9 3y agoThose startups noting seeing this coming as a major risk is asking for it
- Palmik 3y agoTo some extent yes, for generic multi-modal chat-bots this could be a problem, but there are many apps that provide tight integration / smooth tooling for whatever problem they are helping to solve, and that might be valuable to some people -- especially if it's a real value generating use case, where the difference between 80% solution from ChatGPT and 95% solution from a bespoke tool matters.
- yieldcrv 3y agohobbyists and professionals on /r/localllama subreddit are having an existential crisis most of them accurately detect it is a sunk cost fallacy to continue but it looks like a form of positive thinking... and that's the power of community!
- skissane 3y ago> This announcement seem to have killed so many startups that were trying to do multi-modal on top of ChatGPT. Rather than die, why not just pivot to doing multi-modal on top of Llama 2 or some open source model or whatever? It wouldn’t be a huge change A lot of businesses/governments/etc can’t use OpenAI due to their own policies that prohibit sending their data to third party services. They’ll pay for something they can run on-premise or in their own private cloud