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iOS 17 is available today

162 points by mfiguiere 3y ago

rado 3y ago
My only iOS complaint: no transliteration in search, which Android has.
baggy_trough 3y ago
Change list: https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-17/pdf/iOS_All_New_Features.pdf https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-17/pdf/iOS_All_New_Features.pd...
ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
I wonder if it'll finally have notifications of missed calls, after 16 years. Ugh, the responses are just depressingly ignorant for a tech site. The iPhone has NEVER had them: https://goldmanosi.blogspot.com/2012/06/will-apple-ever-fix-iphones-biggest.html https://goldmanosi.blogspot.com/2012/06/will-apple-ever-fix-...
- pavlov 3y ago
  They sell a convenient wrist monitor for missed calls.
  - ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
    Ha! Let's call it just another dongle.
    - macintux 3y ago
      I haven’t had my phone unmuted since I started wearing the watch. They are tremendously complementary.
      - ghaff 3y ago
        Not that I wear my watch a lot of time but that’s far more reliable notification than anything in my phone. Though I turn the vast bulk of my potential notifications off anyway.
- 2023throwawayy 3y ago
  What are you talking about. Of course it has missed call notifications. Always has.
  - ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
    Nope. It has missed-TEXT notifications. After years of complaints about the lack of missed-call notifications, what does Apple do? Add them for TEXTS only. You can have them repeat up to 10 times. Now go to the nearly-identical settings screen for Phone. NONE. Here's a post about it. Older, but still true today: https://goldmanosi.blogspot.com/2012/06/will-apple-ever-fix-iphones-biggest.html https://goldmanosi.blogspot.com/2012/06/will-apple-ever-fix-...
    - block_dagger 3y ago
      What are you talking about
      - ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
        Who are you asking? It must not be me, since there's an elaborate explanation (not that it's needed) above.
        gainda 3y ago
        to be fair your original unedited comment was so vague no one got it until you clarified with the blog post. so maybe there is something for you to take away there
        K7PJP 3y ago
        > since there's an elaborate explanation (not that it's needed) Clearly the explanationn is needed. Most of us didn't understand what you meant. After grasping what you're asking for, I get your request, and I think it'd be nice if Apple implemented this for you and others, but I don't think iOS is broken, nor would I enable such an option if it were implemented – it wouldn't solve a problem for me. You might try to understand that you are in a minority in wanting this, and that the current behavior is actually acceptable for the vast majority of iPhone users.
- fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
  Are you talking about some specific implementation that you want? Because I know when I miss a call on iOS... Edit: they want the "Repeat Alerts" setting that "Messages" has but for "Phone" which is missing the option. Settings > Notifications > Messages > Customize Notifications > Repeat Alerts
- pohl 3y ago
  When hasn't it had a notification for a missed call, modulo whatever bug must be plaguing you?
- sixstringtheory 3y ago
  I don’t get it; I receive notifications for missed calls.
  - NonNefarious 3y ago
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- babypuncher 3y ago
  I've been using iPhones since 2010 and they have always had this feature.
  - ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
    Really? Where do you set the number of repeats, then? Here's what Apple added for missed TEXTS, but not for phone calls: https://i.imgur.com/nhCrOcL.png https://i.imgur.com/nhCrOcL.png If you can tell me where to find it for phone calls in iOS, I'll appreciate it.
  - NonNefarious 3y ago
    [dead]
johnklos 3y ago
What the heck. I'll give it a go.
rapsey 3y ago
There is only one thing I wish for. For it to stop butt wallpaper switching. The most retarded feature I have ever seen. I take the phone out of my pocket and I somehow switch wallpapers in the middle of it.
- sixstringtheory 3y ago
  Yeah this is really annoying. I goes I had played around with it when it first came out and created some alternatives with focus modes. I recently stopped using my wallet-like case, so now my screen is exposed in my pocket, and I couldn’t figure out why it kept getting into a meeting focus mode and silencing all my incoming comms!
- judge2020 3y ago
  For me, the phone must be unlocked to even be able to see the list of wallpapers, and nothing of my clothing triggers capacitive touches on the screen.
  - drcongo 3y ago
    The only way this appears to be possible is holding it by the screen while removing it from the pocket. I just don't do that.
- wlesieutre 3y ago
  I haven't had this problem (since I don't keep my phone in a back pocket), but still agreed. Having to long press anywhere on the screen and then swipe side-to-side between lock screens is weird. Just let me swipe sideways on the handle thing at the bottom like for swiping between apps. Aside from that, my iOS 17 beta impressions are fine, I've been running it since dev betas on my iPad and since public betas on my phone. Only issue was the camera locking up and crashing once.
- artursapek 3y ago
  It even gets frozen in the transition to that stupid UI. I'll pick up my phone and it's all blurry and doesn't respond to touch. I am really hoping that's fixed.
cybwraith 3y ago
Most important part of a major version phone OS update these days is which devices are no longer supported.
- shepherdjerred 3y ago
  It supports the iPhone XS and XR, which are ~5 years old. Apple is better than most vendors about supporting old devices.
  - toxik 3y ago
    5 years is absolutely pitiful when no meaningful hardware changes have occurred IMO. Apple being the best of a sad field is not really inspiring.
    - givinguflac 3y ago
      There have been huge changes in CPU/GPU performance and RAM- how does that not indicate a meaningful hardware change?
      - sumuyuda 3y ago
        When you can only run one app at a time on iOS, why do you need 8GB of RAM? Outside of high end games or professional editing type apps, this seems hugely overkill for most apps.
        givinguflac 3y ago
        You can definitely run more than one app at a time on iOS so I’m not sure what you’re referring to. For me, I am really looking forward to 8 gigabytes of ram because I use stable diffusion on my phone.
    - minkzilla 3y ago
      Apple does however continue to provide security updates, they released a security update for ios 15 earlier this year. As an iphone 8 user this is perfectly fine for me. My phone works great and none of this new stuff is something I can't live without.
nlawalker 3y ago
I don't usually opt into these early, but have been looking forward to AirTag sharing.
- kstrauser 3y ago
  Oh thank heavens. That alone's worth the upgrade.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    It's so insane it wasn't a feature from the beginning, it's as if Apple didn't know people might live together and share things.
    - kstrauser 3y ago
      I agree. I understand the privacy concerns, but my wife and I already share our locations in Find My Friends. If I use her keys to drive to the store, I don't need a warning that her AirTag is following me. I know. And I'm 100% OK with that. I'd already opted in to share my phone's and watch's location. It was beyond annoying that I couldn't opt in to share a specific AirTag's location, too.
      - turquoisevar 3y ago
        I don’t think this was so much a privacy concern as it was a bit challenging in terms of revoking keys and they, like they often do, opted for a basic implementation first to be refined later.
- jedberg 3y ago
  To be fair, it's not really all that early if you're doing the public release. I've been on iOS17 for months as part of the beta, and I'm not even using the developer beta, just the public beta.
- runjake 3y ago
  It was a rough public beta. Would suggest keeping this plan.
wredue 3y ago
The keyboard enhancements were very much needed. iOS no longer forcing me to delete 30 times before it finally lets my actually correct word stay is worth the update alone. It does also seem to have grammar improvements, and doesn’t seem to be so happy to “correct, but actually make incorrect 5 words back” as the prior keyboard would frequently do after apple stopped giving you the option to stop that. The beta before release had significant alarm issues with alarms definitely not going off. So I hope those are sorted out.
- amluto 3y ago
  I wonder if it will start understanding the difference between “its” and “it’s”
  - wredue 3y ago
    I’m not sure it’s got that correct. It’s okay. It’s got a brain of its own. (I did not manually correct any of the above)
  - sixstringtheory 3y ago
    or “of” vs “if”, “in” vs “on”, “I” vs “o” (wtf? lol), and on and on
  - stephen_g 3y ago
    “Were” and “we’re” is also an annoying one. Specifically “were”, it’s autocorrected to the other one six or seven times just trying to type this comment (iOS 16 here)
    - mikeyouse 3y ago
      Autocorrects that "fix" a real word that's spelled correctly and make sense in context to an incorrect word make me want to throw my phone into a lake.
  - hotnfresh 3y ago
    Oh my god, please yes. It acts like it thinks “its” is never correct (except when turning “it’d”, which, admittedly, is rather slangish, to “it’s”) with the result that it causes more harm than good. It’d be an improvement to simply make it ignore that pair of words and never try to correct either, versus the current behavior.
blakesterz 3y ago
Multiple timers. Run several timers on iPhone simultaneously, perfect for when you’re cooking and need to keep track of different steps and dishes. Why was this so hard to implement? Or they just never felt like many people needed it? This has always seemed like a really basic missing feature. I'm surprised it took so long.
- rahkiin 3y ago
  Probably not a priority or they could not prioritize designing the UX
- deleted 3y ago
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- wredue 3y ago
  Ah. So that feature is why my alarms randomly stopped working for part of the beta.
- madeofpalk 3y ago
  It's the perfect "bottom of the backlog" feature. I doubt there's a dedicated Clock app team.
- pseudosavant 3y ago
  The iPad doesn't even have a native calculator app. The iOS calculator is not part of iPadOS. These kinds of 'basic features' can be really easy to ignore for the flashier stuff that people will potentially use less.
- denimnerd42 3y ago
  I wonder if they accommodated the issue where you use the timer to "stop playing" (like a sleep timer for Youtube Music) but then the next time you set a timer it's set to stop playing so it makes no noise if you forget to switch off of "stop playing" been bit a few times by that so i remember to switch but that's some pretty bad UX as it makes Siri useless for setting timers
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ra7 3y ago
> FaceTime now features an incredible connected experience with Apple TV 4K. To see friends and family on the big screen, users can use Continuity Camera to start a FaceTime call on iPhone and hand it off to Apple TV, or initiate the FaceTime call directly from their Apple TV. With Center Stage, users stay perfectly framed even as they move around the room. I was really looking forward to making FaceTime calls on my Apple TV with my parents who live halfway across the world. But of course, they restrict it to only Apple TV 4K 2nd gen and above. What possible reasons could there be to not support this feature in the 1st gen hardware? Is it just a money grab?
- jedberg 3y ago
  The main differences between those generations are the core CPU (the 2nd gen is an A12, the 1st is an A10) and the wifi 6 (vs 5 on the 1st gen). Probably one (or both of those) aren't good enough to do what is necessary for the FaceTime.
  - xd1936 3y ago
    The A10 came out in 2016... Facetime came out in 2010 on the iPhone 4, a device running iOS 4 on a an Apple A4 CPU and 2.4GHz-only 802.11n. Surely the A10 can handle making a call.
    - cschep 3y ago
      Whatever hardware they use for near field comms between the phone and the TV maybe?
    - jedberg 3y ago
      But can A10 handle the coordination involved between a phone and an AppleTV so that it can show the image on one but use the camera and microphone on the other but keep them in sync?
    - parl_match 3y ago
      I looked up the specs, and the biggest glaring omission is that the A10 (not A10 fusion), does not appear to have hardware encoding of HEVC.
sashank_1509 3y ago
Should I upgrade? I don’t want to it to screw over my battery life, I really like my current battery life
- ezfe 3y ago
  If you don't want to upgrade on day one, it's totally fine to wait - but once 17.1 is available I would recommend everyone upgrades. Most issues will be fully resolved.
CodeWriter23 3y ago
Cool! Incoming calls => incoming dick pics
- sixstringtheory 3y ago
  That’s only for known contacts. Maybe you need better friends?
  - CodeWriter23 3y ago
    You only add friends to your contacts list?
- evan_ 3y ago
  > A new feature, Sensitive Content Warning, helps adult users avoid seeing unwanted nude images and videos. It looks like there's now a feature you can enable that uses a classifier (I'm guessing?) to identify dick pics, and let you choose whether you want to see it or not. The last slide[0] in the last carousel on the linked page has an image of the dialog. I bet that was an interesting team to work on. edit: Obligatory Silicon Valley ref: pt1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACmydtFDTGs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACmydtFDTGs pt2: https://youtu.be/dvn-hpZdElo?t=28 https://youtu.be/dvn-hpZdElo?t=28 [0]https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/2023/09/ios-17-is-available-today/article/Apple-iOS-17-Messages-Communication-Safety_inline.jpg.large.jpg https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/2023/09/ios-17-is-avai...
  - bombcar 3y ago
    Why is that so badly photoshopped on what appears to be an original iPhone?
  - s3p 3y ago
    They made it in 2021 if I remember correctly[1]. Was originally designed for children, but they're just now releasing it for general use. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/10/22613225/apple-csam-scanning-messages-child-safety-features-privacy-controversy-explained https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/10/22613225/apple-csam-scann...
shawnshah0099 3y ago
I have quick question. how can i revert the beta version ios17 to actual ?
bdcravens 3y ago
I usually update right away, but unfortunately my insulin pump's app only supports some features on versions they've validated.
- AceJohnny2 3y ago
  That's scary in so many ways. I assume you can operate the insulin pump without any app? Or do you depend on a functional smartphone on-hand? Does the pump itself not have built-in safety features that the app shouldn't be a critical component?
  - bdcravens 3y ago
    No, the pump works perfectly fine without an app. At least one pump out there doesn't (the Omnipod), but in lieu of a smart phone, they give you a device (essentially a single-purpose Android) The ability to bolus (administer insulin) from the app is fairly convenient, that's all. Since that's the biggest area of risk, that's the feature they disable until they've validated the OS version.
- deleted 3y ago
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- savoytruffle 3y ago
  Yeah, my dad is in the same situation. The companies that make this diabetes machinery will certify it for use pretty soon (probably) but not immediately.
Waterluvian 3y ago
I just want it to unbreak the screenshot button combo. Before ios16 it would always work. Now half the time it just makes a full screenshot and saves it without any UI feedback that it did anything. So I tap the buttons longer and get the pop-up for editing.
- bullfightonmars 3y ago
  Gosh, I would love to re-map that combo. My photo album fills up with accidental screenshots, which I pretty much _never_ want.
  - jdminhbg 3y ago
    In case you don't know, there's a Screenshots smart album in Photos, and you could use that to relatively easily delete them all.
  - cassianoleal 3y ago
    Same. The combo made sense when power was on top of the phone. With it being just opposite of volume, it just means accidental screenshotting all the time. It's quite infuriating!
- not_your_vase 3y ago
  Oh, I would be also happy for fixing the bugs bothering me: once out of 10 times opening the smart-cover doesn't wake up my iPad (have to close and open again, or use the side button), and randomly I have to kill the email app because it fails syncing my mails. But such quality of life bugfixes rarely happen :( At least I have been waiting for these since years.
- LRAD 3y ago
  It's broken for me in the same way on iOS 16.
  - Waterluvian 3y ago
    Noooooooooooooooooooo. Completely unplayable.
CrzyLngPwd 3y ago
Hands up who read the ts&cs prior to installing clicking agree :-)
- Etheryte 3y ago
  Did you read the terms and conditions of HN before commenting? :P
  - jiofj 3y ago
    There are no terms and conditions here, afaik
    - tomstuart 3y ago
      https://www.ycombinator.com/legal/#tou https://www.ycombinator.com/legal/#tou
    - Etheryte 3y ago
      Practically every widely known website you can participate on as a user has terms and conditions, even if they're not linked to on the sign up form. This is to cover for both theoretical and real legal issues down the line.
bandyaboot 3y ago
Would really like to be able to have different personal “poster” images for different contacts. The friend trolling potential is immense.
haunter 3y ago
>If you use dual SIM, you can set different ringtones per SIM and choose either SIM card to return a phone call from an unknown caller. Probably the best change imo
- jjice 3y ago
  Genuinely curious: what's a use case for dual SIM? Different countries? Separation from personal and business? Something else?
  - aaomidi 3y ago
    Exactly the options you mentioned, + if you want to have a backup provider in case your primary is struggling somewhere. I alternate between a Google Fi sim, and an AT&T business.
  - heyjamesknight 3y ago
    Super useful if you're an expat or travel between two countries often.
    - dzhiurgis 3y ago
      Yep - with wifi calling (over mobile data) you can effectively roam for free anywhere in the world
  - ta1243 3y ago
    Those are two, also having different networks for different areas (if you have a good service on carrier 1 at one location and carrier 2 at another)
  - xNeil 3y ago
    Yeah personal and business seems to be the best.
  - alistairSH 3y ago
    Yes, both of those.
WA 3y ago
One thing missing (and has been for years): fine-tuned Contacts access control. Like the one for Photos. Apps want to access contacts and it’s all or nothing right now. But Contacts also is quite integrated and is better if you fill in more details such as addresses and birthdates. So an app requesting access gets everything if you grant it. For Apple‘s pro-privacy stance, this oversight is quite painful.
- lostlogin 3y ago
  I notice that sharing a contact is now a bit more tactful and allows you to hide some info. Not an iOS 17 feature though.
- judge2020 3y ago
  https://developer.apple.com/documentation/contactsui/cncontactpickerviewcontroller https://developer.apple.com/documentation/contactsui/cnconta... iOS 9.0+. The blunder is Apple not deprecating CNContactStore, but then many apps really only work if they get your full contacts list (e.g. knowing when a friend joins Snapchat)
  - Willamin 3y ago
    > many apps really only work if they get your full contacts list Too bad for those apps. They should be able to work whether I have 1000 contacts, 0 contacts, or any number in between. If they want to have a cool feature like alerting me when a friend joins, they are more than welcome to persuade me to provide my full contacts list so I get the most out of a feature.
    - deleted 3y ago
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  - lxgr 3y ago
    > many apps really only work if they get your full contacts list (e.g. knowing when a friend joins Snapchat) Offering a privacy-preserving alternative to that would be a huge iOS feature. It seems like Apple even already has most of the necessary pieces for that in place (e.g. the contacts app already knows whether my contacts have FaceTime enabled, Messages knows who has iMessage etc.)
1980phipsi 3y ago
Does this update actually fix music/podcasting app skipping?
- givinguflac 3y ago
  Nope. I’m pretty sure it’s an Apple Music/podcasts server side bug, as I’ve had it happen across numerous iOS/ipados updates and devices including Sonos and Bluetooth. It’s so annoying and sounds like it’s barely skipping a beat but it’s noticeable frequently for me.
  - steve1977 3y ago
    Do you have lossless enabled? If so, try disabling it and see if it still happens (yes, it’s sad…)
    - givinguflac 3y ago
      I do and honestly I’d rather live with the bug on lossless than without on AAC
ProfessorLayton 3y ago
How I wish Apple's core apps weren't tied to the OS. Apple Music needs a ground up redesign so badly. It's not quite as bad as it used to be, but it's such a core part of the iOS experience, and it really feels like they put in the minimum they could get away with. Just look at this: https://www.apple.com/v/ios/ios-17/a/images/overview/music/playlist_screen__emrrhancp5iu_large_2x.jpg https://www.apple.com/v/ios/ios-17/a/images/overview/music/p...
- klysm 3y ago
  Look at all that * space *
- dbbk 3y ago
  I thought that screenshot was a joke
- ganteth 3y ago
  It’s so inefficiently designed. Wasted space on oversized album artwork or (even worse) generic playlist covers. High friction to resume listening/browse by recency. Lazy loading everywhere, slow load times. Cluttered menu drawers. The only thing it has going for it is general ecosystem integration (and lossless), which still is the deciding factor for me unfortunately, despite the qualms above.
- denimnerd42 3y ago
  I've thought it surprising they don't put more effort into the core apps and don't remove them from the iOS upgrade cycle. They could really leverage the iCloud subscription to turn it into a money maker.
  - slowmovintarget 3y ago
    The definition of "good" is whatever makes the most money, not what makes the best user experience.
- guestbest 3y ago
  It’s purposely neglected to push ads for Apples own subscription services. The App Store used to be a lot better to browse as well
aleph_goon 3y ago
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- asddubs 3y ago
  What protection against jailbreaking did they add?
Detrytus 3y ago
How do they define "today"? Because I've been running iOS 17 since last week. EDIT: Seriously, I got notified about the update the day they premiered iPhone 15, I thought that's their standard operating procedure to release software on the same day as hardware. Reading about iOS release today was really confusing. Is there any "early access" program that I could have unconsciously signed up to, so that's why I did receive it early?
- s3p 3y ago
  Today is for the public, but you and the beta testers would have been able to upgrade since the summer.
  - fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
    I think the confusion is that people that have opted into beta updates got full non-beta iOS17 a few days ago.
    - foogazi 3y ago
      Makes sense to early access beta users
      - twoWhlsGud 3y ago
        If only there was some way to segment our user base by risk tolerance... : )
mucholove 3y ago
Slightly off topic: Does anybody know how to remove something from AutoSuggestion? It's been more than a year—and every time I type "Good night" it still suggests my ex-girlfriend. ARGHHHH
- sixstringtheory 3y ago
  I wonder if you add a text expansion for "good night" expanding to "good night" again if it fixes it?
  - beaugunderson 3y ago
    this is also a good trick for swear words! unsure if it will still be needed on 17 but fuck=fuck will stop iOS from autocorrecting it to duck
- Ephil012 3y ago
  You can try going to Settings > General > Reset then tap "Reset Keyboard Dictionary". I think this wipes everything iOS has stored about your typing habits so it should hopefully fix the issue
- jamiepenney 3y ago
  I must have entered my wife's name in lower case at some point, because it autocompletes everyone else's names with a capital but leaves hers lower cased.
latchkey 3y ago
Best feature: automatically delete verification txt messages after use!
- kstrauser 3y ago
  And emails, too!
sillywalk 3y ago
Ipados still doesn't have a bleeping calculator. I just want a toggle for the flat UX so I can know what items are interactive.
- threatofrain 3y ago
  If Apple Vision Pro or just the whole VR & friends industry takes off, then we're gonna see a resurgence of z-depth all over the place, and perhaps even a small return to skeuomorphism.
- mabedan 3y ago
  Turn on “button shapes” in accessibility
  - sillywalk 3y ago
    Thanks, that's a bit better. How long has that been around? I've done the increased contrast for a few releases.
    - dbbk 3y ago
      It's been there since iOS 7.1
dzonga 3y ago
funny enough the journal apps / notes apps that live inside people's computers / phones are useless for future generations or ya kids. when you die and no one knows your password what happens ? whereas a notebook - people can easily read or try to if your handwriting isn't legible. the notebook will remain the same 200 years from now. if humans can still read handwriting. sometimes no-tech is the best tech.
- savoytruffle 3y ago
  The "Journal" app is not in this immediate release.
- foogazi 3y ago
  > when you die and no one knows your password what happens ? iOS 17 has a Legacy contact option for death scenario Don’t know if it’s new but I was just prompted for it
- Martinussen 3y ago
  As a counterpoint, it takes a lot less effort to keep a file preserved. A fire-and-flood-proof document storage solution would certainly be a lot more work for me than setting my google/govt. data up so people in my life get access to what they need.
- hellotheretoday 3y ago
  Is that necessarily a bad thing? A notebook isn’t nearly as meticulous as every semi anonymous post I’ve ever made to Reddit or discord or whatever, plus my meme image collection, my browsing history, etc Why should my kids and future generations get access to my shameful secrets just because I’m dead? If i wanted that information hidden, shouldn’t it stay that way? To that end I suppose it’s just the philosophical argument of “is it shitty to read someone’s diary after they die?” but with the stakes increased a bit due to the nature of greatly increased data collection
- supertrope 3y ago
  Some writers burn their manuscripts. Phone calls generally aren't recorded. There is historical value to VIPs leaving behind diaries in which they discuss their thoughts and feelings around important events.
pleb_nz 3y ago
Can I run Firefox nightly with addons on iOS?
- rscrawfo 3y ago
  Not right now. I believe there was an article recently saying custom browser may soon be allowed on iOS, but nothing right now.
consoomer 3y ago
I finally did it... I kept an iPhone long enough to not be able to upgrade. Looks like iPhone 8 doesn't get iOS 17. I guess I won't be bothered with update nags anymore.
- nebula8804 3y ago
  Since iPhone 8 started on iOS 11 thats pretty darn good. It funny, I remember the ad and what was going through my life more than the phone itself. I don't know how apple ads seems to do that to me. I can say that for a lot of their ads. Even now im looking back and loving that Champagne Gold color with the creme white back. It evokes thoughts of the flavors white chocolate and champagne cola. Two things I love. All of this in a phone that was an afterthought (since Apple launched the iPhone X at the same conference). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0py91Y0bLo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0py91Y0bLo Making half decent products could get you to 1 trillion dollars market cap but making ads that cause desire is how you get to 2 trillion I guess.
thiht 3y ago
Very disappointing so far. I was excited by some changes and nothing seems to work: - groceries lists in reminders should create automatic sections, it doesn’t work - photos should automatically detect pets, it doesn’t work - hey siri was supposed to become just Siri, it doesn’t work (maybe it’s English only?) At least sharing AirTags works. Edit: the custom contact picture doesn’t appear to work either…
- jshier 3y ago
  For the photos it'll likely take a little while for the service to rescan all your photos for the newly recognized items. Leave your device plugged in for best performance there.
  - thiht 3y ago
    Good to know, thanks
- K7PJP 3y ago
  > groceries lists in reminders should create automatic sections, it doesn’t work This took a short time to kick in for me after I updated. Make sure the list is set as a "Groceries" list type, and try adding something to the list.
  - thiht 3y ago
    It’s indeed working now. This is exactly what I did previously (3 times precisely), but now it works. Maybe the update doesn’t actually update everything, just the bare minimum and completes the rest in background.
    - K7PJP 3y ago
      Your OS is now updated. the updated applications that comprise iOS 17 then have to check and update the data, particularly in cases where other devices tied to iCloud also require updating. It is likely that if you also have a Mac or iPad that isn't using the most recent point releases, the lists or the Photos will not update to the new behavior.
iteratethis 3y ago
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jshaqaw 3y ago
They aren’t even trying to innovate anymore.
gorenb 3y ago
Wow. That’s quite exciting.
callalex 3y ago
I’m never doing a manual upgrade again, it took a full hour for my iPhone 11 Pro to install this update. That seems insanely slow for the amount of data that needs copying, and my flash storage is half empty so it should be quite speedy still!
- turquoisevar 3y ago
  There are multiple factors that go into this. Main one on release day being load balancing on the servers. It also doesn’t help that major releases are typically done by downloading the full image instead of your typical delta update. Add onto that the process where it creates a compressed backup of your current version for rollback purposes and the verification process to check that your download didn’t end up corrupted and it’ll keep your iPhone busy for a while.
nunez 3y ago
This is one of the best iOS updates in years. There are so many great quality of life features and improvements in this release!
- illiac786 3y ago
  could you list the ones you are thinking of?
  - nunez 3y ago
    Sure! - Automatically deleting text-based and email-based 2FA codes - Adaptive Transparency with AirPods Pro 2 - Live Voicemail. This one's huge. You can hear and read the VMs that people are leaving and use that context to decide whether to accept or ignore their call. Android's had this for a while; glad to see it in iOS. There are others, but I can't think of them right now.
gigatexal 3y ago
Upgraded yesterday. I’m loving the improvements to the keyboard. The autocorrection is a lot, lot better. And I never get ducking now when I’m trying to write something else. But the real new shift is resizable windows and such on ipadOS 17 and watchOS 10 looks really nice on my series 7.
- mindracer 3y ago
  The keyboard is a huge improvement, much more accurate and easy to use
  - maybevain 3y ago
    And yet I still can not get any of the more "advanced" features (like predictive text) for my native language keyboard. It's been, what, at least five years(?) since predictive text was launched. I never expected to be the first to be supported, but starting to feel a bit ridiculous when some languages with a few tens of percents more speakers have had support from nearly the start. Meanwhile third party keyboards have had support for ages. I'd rather use the stock keyboard, but can't bear it in its current state.
  - Corrado 3y ago
    That’s great news and maybe the only reason I might upgrade. Ever since I went back to an iPhone I’ve had trouble with typing. I don’t know why but the Android keyboard was always much more accurate.
    - gigatexal 3y ago
      It’s the best keyboard upgrade in years. I’ve changed nothing about my typing and it’s far far more accurate. Not perfect but also not frustratingly bad. It’s very close to perfect.
- threesevenths 3y ago
  Ha! I purposely change those words (duck, ducking, ducker etc) to sound less harsh. Still gets the point across to most people.
DieBruderBauer 3y ago
Really having fun with the contacts poster as I try to complete all of my close friend's pictures.
iamsanteri 3y ago
As an owner of iPhone X, I don‘t feel like I‘m missing out. Maybe will get the 15 directly in a year or two.
- bowsamic 3y ago
  Yeah my iPhone X is still doing amazingly. I should probably get a new battery at some point I guess but other than that I have literally zero complaints
- taken2000 3y ago
  Yeah, everyone has different needs :)
- emodendroket 3y ago
  The longer you wait the more impressive the performance boost is once you do upgrade.
- hinkley 3y ago
  The 15 is .4 mm thicker and 7 grams heavier than the 12. That’s a bit disappointing. Also still no touchID buttons from the iPad and iPad mini. Booo.
  - uxp8u61q 3y ago
    > The 15 is .4 mm thicker and 7 grams heavier than the 12. That’s a bit disappointing. I sincerely cannot tell if that's satire or not.
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    - hinkley 3y ago
      You’re giving me a phone with essentially the same feature set and it keeps getting a little bit bigger and a little bit heavier. Why? So they can sell me a new case? The screen is the exact same dimensions. They even dumped a button, which should mean more internal volume for other things. This is why I’m still on the 12. I only got that because it had a little more screen real estate than the one I had before, but still mostly fits in my pocket.
kome 3y ago
It seems like telegram has been implemented to ios; now you can reply to messages and read the unread ones (wow!), and you have stickers. ok!
- muzani 3y ago
  but I want stickers for HN
avtar 3y ago
Still no phone and SMS anti-spam features :/ I would have thought Apple would add something similar to Android's speech to text transcription feature or anything more compelling than the current user experience.
- wfme 3y ago
  Live voicemail with Silence Unknown Callers turned on looks to be exactly what you're describing. The second item on the page under Live Voicemail.
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- jackvalentine 3y ago
  They have this, send a call to voicemail and see a transcription come in https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213877 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213877
- vampirical 3y ago
  I’ll second what my sibling poster said but also… From my perspective iOS already has pretty good call/text blocking. Are you sure you know all the existing features? For calling, there’s a built-in contacts only mode behind a single opt-in switch, this is what I use. There’s also a privacy preserving app system that allows you to install third party apps which provide block lists and labeling to the phone app. Messages is similar, except with unknowns being put in a separate list and an older and simpler static block list, though it does also support reporting the message as junk which presumably means all iOS devices have a bit of a shared message spam filter.
  - eloisius 3y ago
    The problem I have with these is that unknown but wanted senders get squelched with the spam. I get MFA tokens via SMS from assorted random numbers, or worse calls from them (looking at you Citibank).
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iamsanteri 3y ago
Are you able to export data from that journal feature in some widely accessible format?
- kaba0 3y ago
  Not sure about the journal, but the rest of the Health app allows export to XML (also, it is a GDPR requirement as well), so I would assume the same will be true of journal as well.
tosh 3y ago
Does Airdrop now send via the internet if the local connection drops?
- pretext-1 3y ago
  That comes later this year.
quyleanh 3y ago
> iOS 17 is compatible with these devices. iPhone 15 iPhone 15 Plus iPhone 15 Pro iPhone 15 Pro Max iPhone 14 iPhone 14 Plus iPhone 14 Pro iPhone 14 Pro Max iPhone 13 iPhone 13 mini iPhone 13 Pro iPhone 13 Pro Max iPhone 12 iPhone 12 mini iPhone 12 Pro iPhone 12 Pro Max iPhone 11 iPhone 11 Pro iPhone 11 Pro Max iPhone XS iPhone XS Max iPhone XR iPhone SE (2nd generation or later) Still having good support right? Btw, I feel like Apple is gradually improving small thing in their built-in apps base on other 3rd-party alternatives' advantages. It's good for Apple ecosystem and its users.
- threeseed 3y ago
  XS was released in 2018. So 5 years support so far. And they are investing in their core apps because the code base is increasingly shared between iPhone, iPad, Mac, Watch and soon to be Vision Pro. Apps that aren't tend not to get as much love.
- sambazi 3y ago
  kinda mad that there still is no upgrade path for my 1st-gen se that will let me have a phone at around 100g
  - kaba0 3y ago
    There is a 2nd and 3rd gen one you could get used for dirt cheap. Hardware-wise there was a huge improvement in that time.
    - sambazi 3y ago
      had both for a while, but they are ~30% heavier and bigger for no good reason also headphone jack ;)
AlexanderDhoore 3y ago
I don't intend this as criticism at all, but it's quite amusing how routine iOS updates and new iPhone releases have become. I recall being in high school when the first iPhone was introduced, and the sheer novelty of smartphones was awe-inspiring. Nowadays, they've become so commonplace that I find myself getting more enthusiastic about new additions to the Python standard library!
- jojobas 3y ago
  Almost as if there are now more decent smartphone manufacturers that one can bother to remember, let alone models.
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- yen223 3y ago
  I recently rewatched the original keynote where Steve Jobs first announced the iPhone. The thing that struck me was how wild the crowd went when he demoed pinch-to-zoom, something which we basically take for granted nowadays.
  - benoliver999 3y ago
    Anything multi-touch at that point was pretty impressive. Up until then touch screens had been single finger only, and often resistive.
  - hinkley 3y ago
    It killed the segregated internet for phones. They just figured out how to display normal web pages. And the double tap to zoom in on a column was a pretty big feature too. I kept waiting for the Apple Watch to have its iPhone 3GS moment, where they came out with one noticeably thinner and with the same or better battery life. But it never came. Is anything they’re a tiny bit taller than the original. Instead they went with a smaller and larger version which is not quite the same. I still struggle with keeping it on while doing anything that requires work gloves. Make it thinner already.
wtcactus 3y ago
I notice Siri still continues to be some embarrassing afterthought for Apple. At least to non-native English speakers, Siri is really atrocious. Most of the time, it doesn't even get the simplest queries right.
- threeseed 3y ago
  Based on the comments here [1] Siri is on old, hard to maintain codebase. Which means Apple is likely going to just replace it entirely with a new LLM based system which we know they are working on. [1] https://www.macrumors.com/2023/03/15/apple-engineers-working-on-chatgpt-like-ai/ https://www.macrumors.com/2023/03/15/apple-engineers-working...
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- jansan 3y ago
  Siri is the Safari of voice assistants.
  - sergiomattei 3y ago
    But Safari is actually competent… and good?
    - jansan 3y ago
      Let's say it has improved.
      - Toutouxc 3y ago
        When? I’ve been using it for the last 10 years (exclusively!) and I’ve had zero issues with it.
        yowzadave 3y ago
        I think these complaints sometimes come from web developers who perceive Safari as being slow to adopt web standard APIs. IMO this is justified in some cases, and not in others where Apple resists implementing certain APIs for principled and/or technical reasons. For the most part, these issues don’t have a big impact on end users, except when web developers choose to target Chrome-only.
lemming 3y ago
I really wish all the voice dictation/transcription had better language support. I'd really like to be able to say "Send a message to <my wife> in Spanish" and have it use Spanish dictation, and similarly to say "Read the last message in Spanish" when I'm using CarPlay. Perhaps at some point soon it will just get good enough that it'll detect which language is being used automatically, but right now it's pretty annoying for dual-language households.
- yunohn 3y ago
  Most of Big Tech is sleeping on multilingual support, purely because the USA is still their primary revenue stream. Someday, they’ll start focusing on the rest of the world and we’ll see real advancements in this space…
  - vinay_ys 3y ago
    Most of USA doesn't speak English as their first language, isn't it?
    - throwaway019254 3y ago
      What do you mean? Of course they do.
    - yunohn 3y ago
      Yep, it baffles me too. But as we can observe - Big Tech can totally ignore multilingual support and still make billions of dollars!
    - threeseed 3y ago
      78.5% of Americans speak English at home: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_United_States
    - DANmode 3y ago
      Easily the most intriguing mistake I've seen in months.
homedirectory 3y ago
See "Privacy and Security" section. > And it [Communication Safety] extends beyond Messages to include content sent and received in AirDrop, ..., and third‑party apps. This distorted Apple's vision of privacy is not news to me, but extending their invasive policy to third-party apps is crossing the line. However, I'm not sure whether this means that they are going to forcefully intercept all content from 3rd party apps, or introduce an API to app developers that will allow them to flag content as sensitive. If anybody knows more about this, please let us all know.
- karulont 3y ago
  > The Sensitive Content Analysis framework enables third-party developers to integrate Communication Safety in their apps. The framework allows developers to detect if content that children receive or attempt to send in their apps may contain nudity, and developers can add protections in their apps when sensitive content is detected. https://www.apple.com/child-safety/ https://www.apple.com/child-safety/
  - homedirectory 3y ago
    Thanks. This feature is described as optional for 3rd party apps and a claim is made that the information is not sent off the device. Assuming this is true, I take back my criticism about the policy being invasive.
- camillomiller 3y ago
  It’s not news to you, you make harsh statements, but reading the actual description of the feature was too much. And wow, describing Apple’s vision on privacy as distorted is really something. Is Meta your reference on privacy matters? I know on a personal level the executives and experts of the entire privacy division. There might be some very US-centric agenda items in what they do (the CSAM detection fiasco which cost them a dent in their reputation) but generally speaking I’ve rarely seen a team more motivated and driven than that one.
louison11 3y ago
Still no major improvement on Siri. Really disappointing considering iOS does not let you replace Siri with ChatGPT or Google Assistant. Really behind what’s possible today especially since LLMs. This is where the future of computing lays IMO, not new stickers.
fieldbob 3y ago
why is my phone always getting slower with each new big release? Should I avoid new versions completely to avoid lowering performance?
- shortcake27 3y ago
  I have a 5 year old iPhone running iOS 16 which is snappier than most Android phones out of the box. The only problem I have is that it’s extremely aggressive at killing backgrounded apps due to the tiny amount of RAM and no swap. However, it isn’t surprising or malicious for Apple to optimise their software for modern hardware. They still seem to do a significantly better job supporting old hardware than anyone else. Perhaps some components in your phone are dying? If you go into Battery settings, has Peak Performance Capability been reduced?
- radiKal07 3y ago
  Safari seems a bit faster to me
- threeseed 3y ago
  1) You always need to wait a two or day before assessing performance. Often the Spotlight index is being rebuilt. 2) Nobody should ever evaluate anything on a .0 release. Wait a few point releases. 3) I've found the last few iOS/OSX releases to have better performance as their moved to pushing services based revenue.
lynx23 3y ago
Whatever new major release promises to deliver, I will wait until spring around .3 to update, because apple .0 releases are riddled with bugs, everytime I tried... Never ever am I going to update to a .0 of Apple. Its basically a public beta with a lot of fuzz.
Gud 3y ago
What I really wish was there to be some way to disable Siri. In theory you can, but as soon as you want to use CarPlay, Siri has to be enabled. Very frustrating.
fredski42 3y ago
I am playing with safari profiles and it doesn’t seem to work as I expected. I expected that a new profile is completely fresh and clean. However, the history is copied and separate from there on. There is an option to clean that per profile but that is an extra step. As for bookmarks / favorites I still have to find out how to get it completely separated. I want to create a “meta” profile for accessing meta’s webpages but don’t want to give them access to bookmarks/history whatever except their own.
mgraupner 3y ago
Has anyone tried it on an XS yet? Are you satisfied with its performance?
lr1970 3y ago
Finally, in iOS-17 Maps app one can download offline maps -- a very useful feature for navigating in areas with poor or no cell-phone coverage. I have mostly switched from Google Maps to Appel Maps due to Apples better UI and ability to control font sizes.
raavikant 3y ago
What the new features iOS 17 offering?
Tepix 3y ago
Beware! After upgrading, the iCloud sync for "Passwords & Keychain" had turned itself on. It's not even the first time this has happened. Fuck you, Apple!
user0000056678 3y ago
its tottaly shit, my only favourite feature translate in apple books dissapeared

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rado 3y ago

My only iOS complaint: no transliteration in search, which Android has.

Change list: https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-17/pdf/iOS_All_New_Features.pdf https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-17/pdf/iOS_All_New_Features.pd...

ShadowBanThis01 3y ago

I wonder if it'll finally have notifications of missed calls, after 16 years. Ugh, the responses are just depressingly ignorant for a tech site. The iPhone has NEVER had them: https://goldmanosi.blogspot.com/2012/06/will-apple-ever-fix-iphones-biggest.html https://goldmanosi.blogspot.com/2012/06/will-apple-ever-fix-...

pavlov 3y ago
They sell a convenient wrist monitor for missed calls.
- ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
  Ha! Let's call it just another dongle.
  - macintux 3y ago
    I haven’t had my phone unmuted since I started wearing the watch. They are tremendously complementary.
    - ghaff 3y ago
      Not that I wear my watch a lot of time but that’s far more reliable notification than anything in my phone. Though I turn the vast bulk of my potential notifications off anyway.
2023throwawayy 3y ago
What are you talking about. Of course it has missed call notifications. Always has.
- ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
  Nope. It has missed-TEXT notifications. After years of complaints about the lack of missed-call notifications, what does Apple do? Add them for TEXTS only. You can have them repeat up to 10 times. Now go to the nearly-identical settings screen for Phone. NONE. Here's a post about it. Older, but still true today: https://goldmanosi.blogspot.com/2012/06/will-apple-ever-fix-iphones-biggest.html https://goldmanosi.blogspot.com/2012/06/will-apple-ever-fix-...
  - block_dagger 3y ago
    What are you talking about
    - ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
      Who are you asking? It must not be me, since there's an elaborate explanation (not that it's needed) above.
      - gainda 3y ago
        to be fair your original unedited comment was so vague no one got it until you clarified with the blog post. so maybe there is something for you to take away there
      - K7PJP 3y ago
        > since there's an elaborate explanation (not that it's needed) Clearly the explanationn is needed. Most of us didn't understand what you meant. After grasping what you're asking for, I get your request, and I think it'd be nice if Apple implemented this for you and others, but I don't think iOS is broken, nor would I enable such an option if it were implemented – it wouldn't solve a problem for me. You might try to understand that you are in a minority in wanting this, and that the current behavior is actually acceptable for the vast majority of iPhone users.
fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
Are you talking about some specific implementation that you want? Because I know when I miss a call on iOS... Edit: they want the "Repeat Alerts" setting that "Messages" has but for "Phone" which is missing the option. Settings > Notifications > Messages > Customize Notifications > Repeat Alerts
pohl 3y ago
When hasn't it had a notification for a missed call, modulo whatever bug must be plaguing you?
sixstringtheory 3y ago
I don’t get it; I receive notifications for missed calls.
- NonNefarious 3y ago
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babypuncher 3y ago
I've been using iPhones since 2010 and they have always had this feature.
- ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
  Really? Where do you set the number of repeats, then? Here's what Apple added for missed TEXTS, but not for phone calls: https://i.imgur.com/nhCrOcL.png https://i.imgur.com/nhCrOcL.png If you can tell me where to find it for phone calls in iOS, I'll appreciate it.
- NonNefarious 3y ago
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johnklos 3y ago

What the heck. I'll give it a go.

rapsey 3y ago

There is only one thing I wish for. For it to stop butt wallpaper switching. The most retarded feature I have ever seen. I take the phone out of my pocket and I somehow switch wallpapers in the middle of it.

sixstringtheory 3y ago
Yeah this is really annoying. I goes I had played around with it when it first came out and created some alternatives with focus modes. I recently stopped using my wallet-like case, so now my screen is exposed in my pocket, and I couldn’t figure out why it kept getting into a meeting focus mode and silencing all my incoming comms!
judge2020 3y ago
For me, the phone must be unlocked to even be able to see the list of wallpapers, and nothing of my clothing triggers capacitive touches on the screen.
- drcongo 3y ago
  The only way this appears to be possible is holding it by the screen while removing it from the pocket. I just don't do that.
wlesieutre 3y ago
I haven't had this problem (since I don't keep my phone in a back pocket), but still agreed. Having to long press anywhere on the screen and then swipe side-to-side between lock screens is weird. Just let me swipe sideways on the handle thing at the bottom like for swiping between apps. Aside from that, my iOS 17 beta impressions are fine, I've been running it since dev betas on my iPad and since public betas on my phone. Only issue was the camera locking up and crashing once.
artursapek 3y ago
It even gets frozen in the transition to that stupid UI. I'll pick up my phone and it's all blurry and doesn't respond to touch. I am really hoping that's fixed.

cybwraith 3y ago

Most important part of a major version phone OS update these days is which devices are no longer supported.

shepherdjerred 3y ago
It supports the iPhone XS and XR, which are ~5 years old. Apple is better than most vendors about supporting old devices.
- toxik 3y ago
  5 years is absolutely pitiful when no meaningful hardware changes have occurred IMO. Apple being the best of a sad field is not really inspiring.
  - givinguflac 3y ago
    There have been huge changes in CPU/GPU performance and RAM- how does that not indicate a meaningful hardware change?
    - sumuyuda 3y ago
      When you can only run one app at a time on iOS, why do you need 8GB of RAM? Outside of high end games or professional editing type apps, this seems hugely overkill for most apps.
      - givinguflac 3y ago
        You can definitely run more than one app at a time on iOS so I’m not sure what you’re referring to. For me, I am really looking forward to 8 gigabytes of ram because I use stable diffusion on my phone.
  - minkzilla 3y ago
    Apple does however continue to provide security updates, they released a security update for ios 15 earlier this year. As an iphone 8 user this is perfectly fine for me. My phone works great and none of this new stuff is something I can't live without.

nlawalker 3y ago

I don't usually opt into these early, but have been looking forward to AirTag sharing.

kstrauser 3y ago
Oh thank heavens. That alone's worth the upgrade.
- bombcar 3y ago
  It's so insane it wasn't a feature from the beginning, it's as if Apple didn't know people might live together and share things.
  - kstrauser 3y ago
    I agree. I understand the privacy concerns, but my wife and I already share our locations in Find My Friends. If I use her keys to drive to the store, I don't need a warning that her AirTag is following me. I know. And I'm 100% OK with that. I'd already opted in to share my phone's and watch's location. It was beyond annoying that I couldn't opt in to share a specific AirTag's location, too.
    - turquoisevar 3y ago
      I don’t think this was so much a privacy concern as it was a bit challenging in terms of revoking keys and they, like they often do, opted for a basic implementation first to be refined later.
jedberg 3y ago
To be fair, it's not really all that early if you're doing the public release. I've been on iOS17 for months as part of the beta, and I'm not even using the developer beta, just the public beta.
runjake 3y ago
It was a rough public beta. Would suggest keeping this plan.

wredue 3y ago

The keyboard enhancements were very much needed. iOS no longer forcing me to delete 30 times before it finally lets my actually correct word stay is worth the update alone. It does also seem to have grammar improvements, and doesn’t seem to be so happy to “correct, but actually make incorrect 5 words back” as the prior keyboard would frequently do after apple stopped giving you the option to stop that. The beta before release had significant alarm issues with alarms definitely not going off. So I hope those are sorted out.

amluto 3y ago
I wonder if it will start understanding the difference between “its” and “it’s”
- wredue 3y ago
  I’m not sure it’s got that correct. It’s okay. It’s got a brain of its own. (I did not manually correct any of the above)
- sixstringtheory 3y ago
  or “of” vs “if”, “in” vs “on”, “I” vs “o” (wtf? lol), and on and on
- stephen_g 3y ago
  “Were” and “we’re” is also an annoying one. Specifically “were”, it’s autocorrected to the other one six or seven times just trying to type this comment (iOS 16 here)
  - mikeyouse 3y ago
    Autocorrects that "fix" a real word that's spelled correctly and make sense in context to an incorrect word make me want to throw my phone into a lake.
- hotnfresh 3y ago
  Oh my god, please yes. It acts like it thinks “its” is never correct (except when turning “it’d”, which, admittedly, is rather slangish, to “it’s”) with the result that it causes more harm than good. It’d be an improvement to simply make it ignore that pair of words and never try to correct either, versus the current behavior.

blakesterz 3y ago

Multiple timers. Run several timers on iPhone simultaneously, perfect for when you’re cooking and need to keep track of different steps and dishes. Why was this so hard to implement? Or they just never felt like many people needed it? This has always seemed like a really basic missing feature. I'm surprised it took so long.

rahkiin 3y ago
Probably not a priority or they could not prioritize designing the UX
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wredue 3y ago
Ah. So that feature is why my alarms randomly stopped working for part of the beta.
madeofpalk 3y ago
It's the perfect "bottom of the backlog" feature. I doubt there's a dedicated Clock app team.
pseudosavant 3y ago
The iPad doesn't even have a native calculator app. The iOS calculator is not part of iPadOS. These kinds of 'basic features' can be really easy to ignore for the flashier stuff that people will potentially use less.
denimnerd42 3y ago
I wonder if they accommodated the issue where you use the timer to "stop playing" (like a sleep timer for Youtube Music) but then the next time you set a timer it's set to stop playing so it makes no noise if you forget to switch off of "stop playing" been bit a few times by that so i remember to switch but that's some pretty bad UX as it makes Siri useless for setting timers
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ra7 3y ago

> FaceTime now features an incredible connected experience with Apple TV 4K. To see friends and family on the big screen, users can use Continuity Camera to start a FaceTime call on iPhone and hand it off to Apple TV, or initiate the FaceTime call directly from their Apple TV. With Center Stage, users stay perfectly framed even as they move around the room. I was really looking forward to making FaceTime calls on my Apple TV with my parents who live halfway across the world. But of course, they restrict it to only Apple TV 4K 2nd gen and above. What possible reasons could there be to not support this feature in the 1st gen hardware? Is it just a money grab?

jedberg 3y ago
The main differences between those generations are the core CPU (the 2nd gen is an A12, the 1st is an A10) and the wifi 6 (vs 5 on the 1st gen). Probably one (or both of those) aren't good enough to do what is necessary for the FaceTime.
- xd1936 3y ago
  The A10 came out in 2016... Facetime came out in 2010 on the iPhone 4, a device running iOS 4 on a an Apple A4 CPU and 2.4GHz-only 802.11n. Surely the A10 can handle making a call.
  - cschep 3y ago
    Whatever hardware they use for near field comms between the phone and the TV maybe?
  - jedberg 3y ago
    But can A10 handle the coordination involved between a phone and an AppleTV so that it can show the image on one but use the camera and microphone on the other but keep them in sync?
  - parl_match 3y ago
    I looked up the specs, and the biggest glaring omission is that the A10 (not A10 fusion), does not appear to have hardware encoding of HEVC.

sashank_1509 3y ago

Should I upgrade? I don’t want to it to screw over my battery life, I really like my current battery life

ezfe 3y ago
If you don't want to upgrade on day one, it's totally fine to wait - but once 17.1 is available I would recommend everyone upgrades. Most issues will be fully resolved.

CodeWriter23 3y ago

Cool! Incoming calls => incoming dick pics

sixstringtheory 3y ago
That’s only for known contacts. Maybe you need better friends?
- CodeWriter23 3y ago
  You only add friends to your contacts list?
evan_ 3y ago
> A new feature, Sensitive Content Warning, helps adult users avoid seeing unwanted nude images and videos. It looks like there's now a feature you can enable that uses a classifier (I'm guessing?) to identify dick pics, and let you choose whether you want to see it or not. The last slide[0] in the last carousel on the linked page has an image of the dialog. I bet that was an interesting team to work on. edit: Obligatory Silicon Valley ref: pt1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACmydtFDTGs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACmydtFDTGs pt2: https://youtu.be/dvn-hpZdElo?t=28 https://youtu.be/dvn-hpZdElo?t=28 [0]https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/2023/09/ios-17-is-available-today/article/Apple-iOS-17-Messages-Communication-Safety_inline.jpg.large.jpg https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/2023/09/ios-17-is-avai...
- bombcar 3y ago
  Why is that so badly photoshopped on what appears to be an original iPhone?
- s3p 3y ago
  They made it in 2021 if I remember correctly[1]. Was originally designed for children, but they're just now releasing it for general use. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/10/22613225/apple-csam-scanning-messages-child-safety-features-privacy-controversy-explained https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/10/22613225/apple-csam-scann...

shawnshah0099 3y ago

I have quick question. how can i revert the beta version ios17 to actual ?

bdcravens 3y ago

I usually update right away, but unfortunately my insulin pump's app only supports some features on versions they've validated.

AceJohnny2 3y ago
That's scary in so many ways. I assume you can operate the insulin pump without any app? Or do you depend on a functional smartphone on-hand? Does the pump itself not have built-in safety features that the app shouldn't be a critical component?
- bdcravens 3y ago
  No, the pump works perfectly fine without an app. At least one pump out there doesn't (the Omnipod), but in lieu of a smart phone, they give you a device (essentially a single-purpose Android) The ability to bolus (administer insulin) from the app is fairly convenient, that's all. Since that's the biggest area of risk, that's the feature they disable until they've validated the OS version.
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savoytruffle 3y ago
Yeah, my dad is in the same situation. The companies that make this diabetes machinery will certify it for use pretty soon (probably) but not immediately.

Waterluvian 3y ago

I just want it to unbreak the screenshot button combo. Before ios16 it would always work. Now half the time it just makes a full screenshot and saves it without any UI feedback that it did anything. So I tap the buttons longer and get the pop-up for editing.

bullfightonmars 3y ago
Gosh, I would love to re-map that combo. My photo album fills up with accidental screenshots, which I pretty much _never_ want.
- jdminhbg 3y ago
  In case you don't know, there's a Screenshots smart album in Photos, and you could use that to relatively easily delete them all.
- cassianoleal 3y ago
  Same. The combo made sense when power was on top of the phone. With it being just opposite of volume, it just means accidental screenshotting all the time. It's quite infuriating!
not_your_vase 3y ago
Oh, I would be also happy for fixing the bugs bothering me: once out of 10 times opening the smart-cover doesn't wake up my iPad (have to close and open again, or use the side button), and randomly I have to kill the email app because it fails syncing my mails. But such quality of life bugfixes rarely happen :( At least I have been waiting for these since years.
LRAD 3y ago
It's broken for me in the same way on iOS 16.
- Waterluvian 3y ago
  Noooooooooooooooooooo. Completely unplayable.

CrzyLngPwd 3y ago

Hands up who read the ts&cs prior to installing clicking agree :-)

Etheryte 3y ago
Did you read the terms and conditions of HN before commenting? :P
- jiofj 3y ago
  There are no terms and conditions here, afaik
  - tomstuart 3y ago
    https://www.ycombinator.com/legal/#tou https://www.ycombinator.com/legal/#tou
  - Etheryte 3y ago
    Practically every widely known website you can participate on as a user has terms and conditions, even if they're not linked to on the sign up form. This is to cover for both theoretical and real legal issues down the line.

bandyaboot 3y ago

Would really like to be able to have different personal “poster” images for different contacts. The friend trolling potential is immense.

haunter 3y ago

>If you use dual SIM, you can set different ringtones per SIM and choose either SIM card to return a phone call from an unknown caller. Probably the best change imo

jjice 3y ago
Genuinely curious: what's a use case for dual SIM? Different countries? Separation from personal and business? Something else?
- aaomidi 3y ago
  Exactly the options you mentioned, + if you want to have a backup provider in case your primary is struggling somewhere. I alternate between a Google Fi sim, and an AT&T business.
- heyjamesknight 3y ago
  Super useful if you're an expat or travel between two countries often.
  - dzhiurgis 3y ago
    Yep - with wifi calling (over mobile data) you can effectively roam for free anywhere in the world
- ta1243 3y ago
  Those are two, also having different networks for different areas (if you have a good service on carrier 1 at one location and carrier 2 at another)
- xNeil 3y ago
  Yeah personal and business seems to be the best.
- alistairSH 3y ago
  Yes, both of those.

WA 3y ago

One thing missing (and has been for years): fine-tuned Contacts access control. Like the one for Photos. Apps want to access contacts and it’s all or nothing right now. But Contacts also is quite integrated and is better if you fill in more details such as addresses and birthdates. So an app requesting access gets everything if you grant it. For Apple‘s pro-privacy stance, this oversight is quite painful.

lostlogin 3y ago
I notice that sharing a contact is now a bit more tactful and allows you to hide some info. Not an iOS 17 feature though.
judge2020 3y ago
https://developer.apple.com/documentation/contactsui/cncontactpickerviewcontroller https://developer.apple.com/documentation/contactsui/cnconta... iOS 9.0+. The blunder is Apple not deprecating CNContactStore, but then many apps really only work if they get your full contacts list (e.g. knowing when a friend joins Snapchat)
- Willamin 3y ago
  > many apps really only work if they get your full contacts list Too bad for those apps. They should be able to work whether I have 1000 contacts, 0 contacts, or any number in between. If they want to have a cool feature like alerting me when a friend joins, they are more than welcome to persuade me to provide my full contacts list so I get the most out of a feature.
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- lxgr 3y ago
  > many apps really only work if they get your full contacts list (e.g. knowing when a friend joins Snapchat) Offering a privacy-preserving alternative to that would be a huge iOS feature. It seems like Apple even already has most of the necessary pieces for that in place (e.g. the contacts app already knows whether my contacts have FaceTime enabled, Messages knows who has iMessage etc.)

1980phipsi 3y ago

Does this update actually fix music/podcasting app skipping?

givinguflac 3y ago
Nope. I’m pretty sure it’s an Apple Music/podcasts server side bug, as I’ve had it happen across numerous iOS/ipados updates and devices including Sonos and Bluetooth. It’s so annoying and sounds like it’s barely skipping a beat but it’s noticeable frequently for me.
- steve1977 3y ago
  Do you have lossless enabled? If so, try disabling it and see if it still happens (yes, it’s sad…)
  - givinguflac 3y ago
    I do and honestly I’d rather live with the bug on lossless than without on AAC

ProfessorLayton 3y ago

How I wish Apple's core apps weren't tied to the OS. Apple Music needs a ground up redesign so badly. It's not quite as bad as it used to be, but it's such a core part of the iOS experience, and it really feels like they put in the minimum they could get away with. Just look at this: https://www.apple.com/v/ios/ios-17/a/images/overview/music/playlist_screen__emrrhancp5iu_large_2x.jpg https://www.apple.com/v/ios/ios-17/a/images/overview/music/p...

klysm 3y ago
Look at all that * space *
dbbk 3y ago
I thought that screenshot was a joke
ganteth 3y ago
It’s so inefficiently designed. Wasted space on oversized album artwork or (even worse) generic playlist covers. High friction to resume listening/browse by recency. Lazy loading everywhere, slow load times. Cluttered menu drawers. The only thing it has going for it is general ecosystem integration (and lossless), which still is the deciding factor for me unfortunately, despite the qualms above.
denimnerd42 3y ago
I've thought it surprising they don't put more effort into the core apps and don't remove them from the iOS upgrade cycle. They could really leverage the iCloud subscription to turn it into a money maker.
- slowmovintarget 3y ago
  The definition of "good" is whatever makes the most money, not what makes the best user experience.
guestbest 3y ago
It’s purposely neglected to push ads for Apples own subscription services. The App Store used to be a lot better to browse as well

aleph_goon 3y ago

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asddubs 3y ago
What protection against jailbreaking did they add?

Detrytus 3y ago

How do they define "today"? Because I've been running iOS 17 since last week. EDIT: Seriously, I got notified about the update the day they premiered iPhone 15, I thought that's their standard operating procedure to release software on the same day as hardware. Reading about iOS release today was really confusing. Is there any "early access" program that I could have unconsciously signed up to, so that's why I did receive it early?

s3p 3y ago
Today is for the public, but you and the beta testers would have been able to upgrade since the summer.
- fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
  I think the confusion is that people that have opted into beta updates got full non-beta iOS17 a few days ago.
  - foogazi 3y ago
    Makes sense to early access beta users
    - twoWhlsGud 3y ago
      If only there was some way to segment our user base by risk tolerance... : )

mucholove 3y ago

Slightly off topic: Does anybody know how to remove something from AutoSuggestion? It's been more than a year—and every time I type "Good night" it still suggests my ex-girlfriend. ARGHHHH

sixstringtheory 3y ago
I wonder if you add a text expansion for "good night" expanding to "good night" again if it fixes it?
- beaugunderson 3y ago
  this is also a good trick for swear words! unsure if it will still be needed on 17 but fuck=fuck will stop iOS from autocorrecting it to duck
Ephil012 3y ago
You can try going to Settings > General > Reset then tap "Reset Keyboard Dictionary". I think this wipes everything iOS has stored about your typing habits so it should hopefully fix the issue
jamiepenney 3y ago
I must have entered my wife's name in lower case at some point, because it autocompletes everyone else's names with a capital but leaves hers lower cased.

latchkey 3y ago

Best feature: automatically delete verification txt messages after use!

kstrauser 3y ago
And emails, too!

sillywalk 3y ago

Ipados still doesn't have a bleeping calculator. I just want a toggle for the flat UX so I can know what items are interactive.

threatofrain 3y ago
If Apple Vision Pro or just the whole VR & friends industry takes off, then we're gonna see a resurgence of z-depth all over the place, and perhaps even a small return to skeuomorphism.
mabedan 3y ago
Turn on “button shapes” in accessibility
- sillywalk 3y ago
  Thanks, that's a bit better. How long has that been around? I've done the increased contrast for a few releases.
  - dbbk 3y ago
    It's been there since iOS 7.1

dzonga 3y ago

funny enough the journal apps / notes apps that live inside people's computers / phones are useless for future generations or ya kids. when you die and no one knows your password what happens ? whereas a notebook - people can easily read or try to if your handwriting isn't legible. the notebook will remain the same 200 years from now. if humans can still read handwriting. sometimes no-tech is the best tech.

savoytruffle 3y ago
The "Journal" app is not in this immediate release.
foogazi 3y ago
> when you die and no one knows your password what happens ? iOS 17 has a Legacy contact option for death scenario Don’t know if it’s new but I was just prompted for it
Martinussen 3y ago
As a counterpoint, it takes a lot less effort to keep a file preserved. A fire-and-flood-proof document storage solution would certainly be a lot more work for me than setting my google/govt. data up so people in my life get access to what they need.
hellotheretoday 3y ago
Is that necessarily a bad thing? A notebook isn’t nearly as meticulous as every semi anonymous post I’ve ever made to Reddit or discord or whatever, plus my meme image collection, my browsing history, etc Why should my kids and future generations get access to my shameful secrets just because I’m dead? If i wanted that information hidden, shouldn’t it stay that way? To that end I suppose it’s just the philosophical argument of “is it shitty to read someone’s diary after they die?” but with the stakes increased a bit due to the nature of greatly increased data collection
supertrope 3y ago
Some writers burn their manuscripts. Phone calls generally aren't recorded. There is historical value to VIPs leaving behind diaries in which they discuss their thoughts and feelings around important events.

pleb_nz 3y ago

Can I run Firefox nightly with addons on iOS?

rscrawfo 3y ago
Not right now. I believe there was an article recently saying custom browser may soon be allowed on iOS, but nothing right now.

consoomer 3y ago

I finally did it... I kept an iPhone long enough to not be able to upgrade. Looks like iPhone 8 doesn't get iOS 17. I guess I won't be bothered with update nags anymore.

nebula8804 3y ago
Since iPhone 8 started on iOS 11 thats pretty darn good. It funny, I remember the ad and what was going through my life more than the phone itself. I don't know how apple ads seems to do that to me. I can say that for a lot of their ads. Even now im looking back and loving that Champagne Gold color with the creme white back. It evokes thoughts of the flavors white chocolate and champagne cola. Two things I love. All of this in a phone that was an afterthought (since Apple launched the iPhone X at the same conference). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0py91Y0bLo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0py91Y0bLo Making half decent products could get you to 1 trillion dollars market cap but making ads that cause desire is how you get to 2 trillion I guess.

thiht 3y ago

Very disappointing so far. I was excited by some changes and nothing seems to work: - groceries lists in reminders should create automatic sections, it doesn’t work - photos should automatically detect pets, it doesn’t work - hey siri was supposed to become just Siri, it doesn’t work (maybe it’s English only?) At least sharing AirTags works. Edit: the custom contact picture doesn’t appear to work either…

jshier 3y ago
For the photos it'll likely take a little while for the service to rescan all your photos for the newly recognized items. Leave your device plugged in for best performance there.
- thiht 3y ago
  Good to know, thanks
K7PJP 3y ago
> groceries lists in reminders should create automatic sections, it doesn’t work This took a short time to kick in for me after I updated. Make sure the list is set as a "Groceries" list type, and try adding something to the list.
- thiht 3y ago
  It’s indeed working now. This is exactly what I did previously (3 times precisely), but now it works. Maybe the update doesn’t actually update everything, just the bare minimum and completes the rest in background.
  - K7PJP 3y ago
    Your OS is now updated. the updated applications that comprise iOS 17 then have to check and update the data, particularly in cases where other devices tied to iCloud also require updating. It is likely that if you also have a Mac or iPad that isn't using the most recent point releases, the lists or the Photos will not update to the new behavior.

iteratethis 3y ago

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jshaqaw 3y ago

They aren’t even trying to innovate anymore.

gorenb 3y ago

Wow. That’s quite exciting.

callalex 3y ago

I’m never doing a manual upgrade again, it took a full hour for my iPhone 11 Pro to install this update. That seems insanely slow for the amount of data that needs copying, and my flash storage is half empty so it should be quite speedy still!

turquoisevar 3y ago
There are multiple factors that go into this. Main one on release day being load balancing on the servers. It also doesn’t help that major releases are typically done by downloading the full image instead of your typical delta update. Add onto that the process where it creates a compressed backup of your current version for rollback purposes and the verification process to check that your download didn’t end up corrupted and it’ll keep your iPhone busy for a while.

nunez 3y ago

This is one of the best iOS updates in years. There are so many great quality of life features and improvements in this release!

illiac786 3y ago
could you list the ones you are thinking of?
- nunez 3y ago
  Sure! - Automatically deleting text-based and email-based 2FA codes - Adaptive Transparency with AirPods Pro 2 - Live Voicemail. This one's huge. You can hear and read the VMs that people are leaving and use that context to decide whether to accept or ignore their call. Android's had this for a while; glad to see it in iOS. There are others, but I can't think of them right now.

gigatexal 3y ago

Upgraded yesterday. I’m loving the improvements to the keyboard. The autocorrection is a lot, lot better. And I never get ducking now when I’m trying to write something else. But the real new shift is resizable windows and such on ipadOS 17 and watchOS 10 looks really nice on my series 7.

mindracer 3y ago
The keyboard is a huge improvement, much more accurate and easy to use
- maybevain 3y ago
  And yet I still can not get any of the more "advanced" features (like predictive text) for my native language keyboard. It's been, what, at least five years(?) since predictive text was launched. I never expected to be the first to be supported, but starting to feel a bit ridiculous when some languages with a few tens of percents more speakers have had support from nearly the start. Meanwhile third party keyboards have had support for ages. I'd rather use the stock keyboard, but can't bear it in its current state.
- Corrado 3y ago
  That’s great news and maybe the only reason I might upgrade. Ever since I went back to an iPhone I’ve had trouble with typing. I don’t know why but the Android keyboard was always much more accurate.
  - gigatexal 3y ago
    It’s the best keyboard upgrade in years. I’ve changed nothing about my typing and it’s far far more accurate. Not perfect but also not frustratingly bad. It’s very close to perfect.
threesevenths 3y ago
Ha! I purposely change those words (duck, ducking, ducker etc) to sound less harsh. Still gets the point across to most people.

DieBruderBauer 3y ago

Really having fun with the contacts poster as I try to complete all of my close friend's pictures.

iamsanteri 3y ago

As an owner of iPhone X, I don‘t feel like I‘m missing out. Maybe will get the 15 directly in a year or two.

bowsamic 3y ago
Yeah my iPhone X is still doing amazingly. I should probably get a new battery at some point I guess but other than that I have literally zero complaints
taken2000 3y ago
Yeah, everyone has different needs :)
emodendroket 3y ago
The longer you wait the more impressive the performance boost is once you do upgrade.
hinkley 3y ago
The 15 is .4 mm thicker and 7 grams heavier than the 12. That’s a bit disappointing. Also still no touchID buttons from the iPad and iPad mini. Booo.
- uxp8u61q 3y ago
  > The 15 is .4 mm thicker and 7 grams heavier than the 12. That’s a bit disappointing. I sincerely cannot tell if that's satire or not.
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  - hinkley 3y ago
    You’re giving me a phone with essentially the same feature set and it keeps getting a little bit bigger and a little bit heavier. Why? So they can sell me a new case? The screen is the exact same dimensions. They even dumped a button, which should mean more internal volume for other things. This is why I’m still on the 12. I only got that because it had a little more screen real estate than the one I had before, but still mostly fits in my pocket.

kome 3y ago

It seems like telegram has been implemented to ios; now you can reply to messages and read the unread ones (wow!), and you have stickers. ok!

muzani 3y ago
but I want stickers for HN

avtar 3y ago

Still no phone and SMS anti-spam features :/ I would have thought Apple would add something similar to Android's speech to text transcription feature or anything more compelling than the current user experience.

wfme 3y ago
Live voicemail with Silence Unknown Callers turned on looks to be exactly what you're describing. The second item on the page under Live Voicemail.
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jackvalentine 3y ago
They have this, send a call to voicemail and see a transcription come in https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213877 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213877
vampirical 3y ago
I’ll second what my sibling poster said but also… From my perspective iOS already has pretty good call/text blocking. Are you sure you know all the existing features? For calling, there’s a built-in contacts only mode behind a single opt-in switch, this is what I use. There’s also a privacy preserving app system that allows you to install third party apps which provide block lists and labeling to the phone app. Messages is similar, except with unknowns being put in a separate list and an older and simpler static block list, though it does also support reporting the message as junk which presumably means all iOS devices have a bit of a shared message spam filter.
- eloisius 3y ago
  The problem I have with these is that unknown but wanted senders get squelched with the spam. I get MFA tokens via SMS from assorted random numbers, or worse calls from them (looking at you Citibank).
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iamsanteri 3y ago

Are you able to export data from that journal feature in some widely accessible format?

kaba0 3y ago
Not sure about the journal, but the rest of the Health app allows export to XML (also, it is a GDPR requirement as well), so I would assume the same will be true of journal as well.

tosh 3y ago

Does Airdrop now send via the internet if the local connection drops?

pretext-1 3y ago
That comes later this year.

quyleanh 3y ago

> iOS 17 is compatible with these devices. iPhone 15 iPhone 15 Plus iPhone 15 Pro iPhone 15 Pro Max iPhone 14 iPhone 14 Plus iPhone 14 Pro iPhone 14 Pro Max iPhone 13 iPhone 13 mini iPhone 13 Pro iPhone 13 Pro Max iPhone 12 iPhone 12 mini iPhone 12 Pro iPhone 12 Pro Max iPhone 11 iPhone 11 Pro iPhone 11 Pro Max iPhone XS iPhone XS Max iPhone XR iPhone SE (2nd generation or later) Still having good support right? Btw, I feel like Apple is gradually improving small thing in their built-in apps base on other 3rd-party alternatives' advantages. It's good for Apple ecosystem and its users.

threeseed 3y ago
XS was released in 2018. So 5 years support so far. And they are investing in their core apps because the code base is increasingly shared between iPhone, iPad, Mac, Watch and soon to be Vision Pro. Apps that aren't tend not to get as much love.
sambazi 3y ago
kinda mad that there still is no upgrade path for my 1st-gen se that will let me have a phone at around 100g
- kaba0 3y ago
  There is a 2nd and 3rd gen one you could get used for dirt cheap. Hardware-wise there was a huge improvement in that time.
  - sambazi 3y ago
    had both for a while, but they are ~30% heavier and bigger for no good reason also headphone jack ;)

AlexanderDhoore 3y ago

I don't intend this as criticism at all, but it's quite amusing how routine iOS updates and new iPhone releases have become. I recall being in high school when the first iPhone was introduced, and the sheer novelty of smartphones was awe-inspiring. Nowadays, they've become so commonplace that I find myself getting more enthusiastic about new additions to the Python standard library!

jojobas 3y ago
Almost as if there are now more decent smartphone manufacturers that one can bother to remember, let alone models.
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yen223 3y ago
I recently rewatched the original keynote where Steve Jobs first announced the iPhone. The thing that struck me was how wild the crowd went when he demoed pinch-to-zoom, something which we basically take for granted nowadays.
- benoliver999 3y ago
  Anything multi-touch at that point was pretty impressive. Up until then touch screens had been single finger only, and often resistive.
- hinkley 3y ago
  It killed the segregated internet for phones. They just figured out how to display normal web pages. And the double tap to zoom in on a column was a pretty big feature too. I kept waiting for the Apple Watch to have its iPhone 3GS moment, where they came out with one noticeably thinner and with the same or better battery life. But it never came. Is anything they’re a tiny bit taller than the original. Instead they went with a smaller and larger version which is not quite the same. I still struggle with keeping it on while doing anything that requires work gloves. Make it thinner already.

wtcactus 3y ago

I notice Siri still continues to be some embarrassing afterthought for Apple. At least to non-native English speakers, Siri is really atrocious. Most of the time, it doesn't even get the simplest queries right.

threeseed 3y ago
Based on the comments here [1] Siri is on old, hard to maintain codebase. Which means Apple is likely going to just replace it entirely with a new LLM based system which we know they are working on. [1] https://www.macrumors.com/2023/03/15/apple-engineers-working-on-chatgpt-like-ai/ https://www.macrumors.com/2023/03/15/apple-engineers-working...
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jansan 3y ago
Siri is the Safari of voice assistants.
- sergiomattei 3y ago
  But Safari is actually competent… and good?
  - jansan 3y ago
    Let's say it has improved.
    - Toutouxc 3y ago
      When? I’ve been using it for the last 10 years (exclusively!) and I’ve had zero issues with it.
      - yowzadave 3y ago
        I think these complaints sometimes come from web developers who perceive Safari as being slow to adopt web standard APIs. IMO this is justified in some cases, and not in others where Apple resists implementing certain APIs for principled and/or technical reasons. For the most part, these issues don’t have a big impact on end users, except when web developers choose to target Chrome-only.

lemming 3y ago

I really wish all the voice dictation/transcription had better language support. I'd really like to be able to say "Send a message to <my wife> in Spanish" and have it use Spanish dictation, and similarly to say "Read the last message in Spanish" when I'm using CarPlay. Perhaps at some point soon it will just get good enough that it'll detect which language is being used automatically, but right now it's pretty annoying for dual-language households.

yunohn 3y ago
Most of Big Tech is sleeping on multilingual support, purely because the USA is still their primary revenue stream. Someday, they’ll start focusing on the rest of the world and we’ll see real advancements in this space…
- vinay_ys 3y ago
  Most of USA doesn't speak English as their first language, isn't it?
  - throwaway019254 3y ago
    What do you mean? Of course they do.
  - yunohn 3y ago
    Yep, it baffles me too. But as we can observe - Big Tech can totally ignore multilingual support and still make billions of dollars!
  - threeseed 3y ago
    78.5% of Americans speak English at home: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_United_States
  - DANmode 3y ago
    Easily the most intriguing mistake I've seen in months.

homedirectory 3y ago

See "Privacy and Security" section. > And it [Communication Safety] extends beyond Messages to include content sent and received in AirDrop, ..., and third‑party apps. This distorted Apple's vision of privacy is not news to me, but extending their invasive policy to third-party apps is crossing the line. However, I'm not sure whether this means that they are going to forcefully intercept all content from 3rd party apps, or introduce an API to app developers that will allow them to flag content as sensitive. If anybody knows more about this, please let us all know.

karulont 3y ago
> The Sensitive Content Analysis framework enables third-party developers to integrate Communication Safety in their apps. The framework allows developers to detect if content that children receive or attempt to send in their apps may contain nudity, and developers can add protections in their apps when sensitive content is detected. https://www.apple.com/child-safety/ https://www.apple.com/child-safety/
- homedirectory 3y ago
  Thanks. This feature is described as optional for 3rd party apps and a claim is made that the information is not sent off the device. Assuming this is true, I take back my criticism about the policy being invasive.
camillomiller 3y ago
It’s not news to you, you make harsh statements, but reading the actual description of the feature was too much. And wow, describing Apple’s vision on privacy as distorted is really something. Is Meta your reference on privacy matters? I know on a personal level the executives and experts of the entire privacy division. There might be some very US-centric agenda items in what they do (the CSAM detection fiasco which cost them a dent in their reputation) but generally speaking I’ve rarely seen a team more motivated and driven than that one.

louison11 3y ago

Still no major improvement on Siri. Really disappointing considering iOS does not let you replace Siri with ChatGPT or Google Assistant. Really behind what’s possible today especially since LLMs. This is where the future of computing lays IMO, not new stickers.

fieldbob 3y ago

why is my phone always getting slower with each new big release? Should I avoid new versions completely to avoid lowering performance?

shortcake27 3y ago
I have a 5 year old iPhone running iOS 16 which is snappier than most Android phones out of the box. The only problem I have is that it’s extremely aggressive at killing backgrounded apps due to the tiny amount of RAM and no swap. However, it isn’t surprising or malicious for Apple to optimise their software for modern hardware. They still seem to do a significantly better job supporting old hardware than anyone else. Perhaps some components in your phone are dying? If you go into Battery settings, has Peak Performance Capability been reduced?
radiKal07 3y ago
Safari seems a bit faster to me
threeseed 3y ago
1) You always need to wait a two or day before assessing performance. Often the Spotlight index is being rebuilt. 2) Nobody should ever evaluate anything on a .0 release. Wait a few point releases. 3) I've found the last few iOS/OSX releases to have better performance as their moved to pushing services based revenue.

lynx23 3y ago

Whatever new major release promises to deliver, I will wait until spring around .3 to update, because apple .0 releases are riddled with bugs, everytime I tried... Never ever am I going to update to a .0 of Apple. Its basically a public beta with a lot of fuzz.

Gud 3y ago

What I really wish was there to be some way to disable Siri. In theory you can, but as soon as you want to use CarPlay, Siri has to be enabled. Very frustrating.

fredski42 3y ago

I am playing with safari profiles and it doesn’t seem to work as I expected. I expected that a new profile is completely fresh and clean. However, the history is copied and separate from there on. There is an option to clean that per profile but that is an extra step. As for bookmarks / favorites I still have to find out how to get it completely separated. I want to create a “meta” profile for accessing meta’s webpages but don’t want to give them access to bookmarks/history whatever except their own.

mgraupner 3y ago

Has anyone tried it on an XS yet? Are you satisfied with its performance?

lr1970 3y ago

Finally, in iOS-17 Maps app one can download offline maps -- a very useful feature for navigating in areas with poor or no cell-phone coverage. I have mostly switched from Google Maps to Appel Maps due to Apples better UI and ability to control font sizes.

raavikant 3y ago

What the new features iOS 17 offering?

Tepix 3y ago

Beware! After upgrading, the iCloud sync for "Passwords & Keychain" had turned itself on. It's not even the first time this has happened. Fuck you, Apple!

user0000056678 3y ago

its tottaly shit, my only favourite feature translate in apple books dissapeared