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“I want to use this tactically vs. GOOG/AAPL” (2022)
- davikr 3y ago> Sent from Mail for Windows I appreciate the dogfooding.
- ahmadalli 3y agoI'm seeing a banner in the app saying that they are replacing it with (the new) Outlook in 2024
- tacker2000 3y agoCould it be an Outlook Express revival?
- fodkodrasz 3y agoNo. It is terrible, a webview around the shitty outlook.com web UI, which is cluttered, inconvenient, and often buggy, especially when rich text editing is needed. Also the Bcc field is hidden and needs some weird incantations to display the field. A steming platform, as it can be read in the emails. Outlook Express was almost peak outlook usability, and is on the decline ever since. More useless features, and ever worse GUI.
- Eyght 3y agoI'm in the accelerated testing group and I was moved from Mail to the new Outlook a couple of months ago. It's better than Mail for Windows in my subjective opinion, but it was a bit weird to switch just when Mail had gotten the last missing basic features, like signatures etc.
- Veliladon 3y agoI swear Outlook peaked with Outlook 2003 and has just kept getting worse since then.
- fireflash38 3y agoNew Outlook is just atrocious from a design perspective IMO. Everything is flat, and the panels all blend into each other. All the emails subjects run right into the next. On top of that it just wastes so much space. It's offensive how they manage to both waste space and still have things right up against each other blurring the lines of emails. Besides Edge and ads everywhere in windows, I think the complete mishmash of design styles and general "unpolished" feel of their apps are really making me wonder why even use Windows. I don't want to fight my software just to use it.
- lostmsu 3y agoI tried the Outlook, and vs the Mail it seemed like an unnecessary complication.
- itsrobforreal 3y agoTo me this is the #1 reason this looks fake - nobody uses Mail for Windows, it probably doesn't support the security features available in O365, feels totally wrong for someone at MS.
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- sbierwagen 3y agoWhat do you mean "fake"? It's a court document from a federal lawsuit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTC_v._Microsoft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTC_v._Microsoft
- solardev 3y agoPoor Satya
- prepend 3y agoI’m glad someone is using it. I bet he hates it but can’t stop using it. It’s strange how terrible the tool is given the CEO is using it. Although perhaps he did like many others and updated the iOS mail signature to say “Sent from Mail for Windows.”
- pas 3y agoI liked it for it's simplicity a few years ago (and I always hated Outlook... The Bat was great, and Thunderbird had a few okay years, but basically sucked at the core thing of syncing and reading mails), but haven't really used it for actual emailing.
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- systemvoltage 3y agoIt tells a lot about corporate culture that when this happens, we celebrate it. It should be the expectation, not celebration.
- deanCommie 3y agoExcept it's an absolute cargo cult of a signature. "Sent from iPhone", and later "Sent from Mobile" were a thing because virtual keyboards were new, and at first, everyone was slow and imprecise on them. So the signature was basically a way to say "Hey, sorry if this is abrupt or have typos, but I wrote it from my phone". It makes zero reasons to include an automatic "Sent from <Desktop App>" signature in every email, except for sad, pathetic, marketing.
- sbierwagen 3y agoWhile it is pathetic marketing, it predates the iphone considerably. Hotmail started adding an automatic "Sent from Hotmail" signature shortly after launching in 1996: https://techcrunch.com/2009/10/18/ps-i-love-you-get-your-free-email-at-hotmail/ https://techcrunch.com/2009/10/18/ps-i-love-you-get-your-fre...
- spaceflunky 3y agoCan anyone ELI5 the significance of this?
- woodruffw 3y agoI think it's being posted in light of the USG's pending antitrust lawsuit against Google[1]. (However, that case concerns digital advertising, and this document seems to have been produced by discovery in a different case. So I'm not sure if it's relevant beyond the general theme of "Google considers other companies competitors.") [1]: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-google-monopolizing-digital-advertising-technologies https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-googl...
- summerlight 3y agoIt's from FTC vs MSFT.
- privacyking 3y agoIt's basically analogous to what Valve is doing with steam. Windows has a monopoly on PC gaming and Valve does not want to be subject to any future restrictions or requirements that may be enforced in the future, so they funded andfacilitated gaming on Linux based PCs. Analogously, Microsoft doesn't want to be subject to the duopoly of Google and Apple with mobile (gaming), so they want their cloud steaming platform available on competitors.
- dataflow 3y ago> they want their cloud steaming platform available on competitors. Not sure if typo or a newly coined cloud computing term :-)
- williamtrask 3y agoI don’t know why but that’s the funniest HN comment I’ve ever seen. I’m still chuckling. Took me a minute to figure it out. xD
- upon_drumhead 3y agoI didn’t even realize Microsoft had a steaming game service. Is it widely used?
- deprecative 3y agoThe UK's rejection of the ActiBlizzKing acquisition was because of Microsoft's cloud business.
- thesuperbigfrog 3y agoMicrosoft agreed to sell off cloud gaming rights to Ubisoft to help the deal go through: https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/22/23828302/microsoft-activision-blizzard-acquisition-ubisoft-cloud-gaming-rights-uk-cma https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/22/23828302/microsoft-activi...
- solardev 3y agoYeah, and a few weeks after that, many Gamepass games (including Starfield) started popping up on Geforce Now. It's wonderful.
- yurishimo 3y agoI thought GeForce now was a “bring your own library” service? I think they can auth with steam directly and you can play most games available on the steam store.
- sco1 3y agoIt is still up to publishers whether or not their game is available to stream.
- solardev 3y agoIt is. You can play a subset of games from Steam, Epic, Ubi Plus, and Game Pass -- if the publisher opted them in. For Game Pass specifically, you don't own the games... it's a subscription service, like EA Play or Ubi Plus, that lets you play from a library of games as long as you're subscribed. Of those, several (but not all) are also playable on GeForce Now. You still have to have a PC Game Pass (or Ultimate) subscription. Without GeForce Now, if you have PC Game Pass (the cheaper plan), you have to install and play those games on your own computer. If you have Game Pass Ultimate, you can also stream some of those games from Microsoft's cloud of Xboxes. They are inferior to Nvidia's offering, but the selection might be better as long as you don't mind lower resolution and having to use a controller for most games. You also get access to the EA Play subscription library that way. Confusing, right? It's a pity. When GeForce Now first launched, you could play any game on it -- all of Steam was available -- but publishers started complaining I guess (who knows why? maybe they wanted to one day launch their own services, heh, good luck with that). Notably, there were a few games that were Stadia streaming exclusives (like Red Dead Redemption and Elder Scrolls Online). Once Stadia died, there was no way to stream those anymore (unless you rent a whole virtual PC like Shadow.tech). Can't play those now, sadly. There are a lot of streaming services now: First-party ones like Playstation Plus, Amazon Luna, Xbox Cloud, Ubi Cloud (via Luna). There are third-party stream-a-game-directly ones that just launch you into Steam and/or the game directly, no OS maintenance required: GeForce Now and Boosteroid. There are also "rent a PC" style streaming services like Shadow, AirGPU, probably others (including renting them directly from cloud providers, usually at an incredibly high price). Of all those, GeForce Now offers by far the best performance and quality, because Nvidia both controls the supply of RTX cards and also has written some incredible software to support the streaming, enabling play at 4k/ultrawide/120 Hz/low-latency via Reflex, etc. It is also the best value in terms of monthly costs. Its primary downside is the limited library available; only some games are available on there (https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce-now/games/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce-now/games/).
- jstx1 3y agoAs a side note, I like how direct and casual these megacorp CEO emails are.
- hammock 3y agoWhy wouldn’t they be?
- circuit10 3y agoI guess it just feels different from the corporate speak we’d usually see
- Waterluvian 3y agoIt’s a good point and an important distinction because we can be so easily fooled. Corporate speak isn’t the speech of a human. It’s constructed PR.
- hotnfresh 3y agoIt’s also a status/in-group marker in corporations. CEOs can counter-signal power by not using it.
- version_five 3y agoI'd expect there's some corporate-speak maximum that happens in middle management, and upper and lower people would use it less, with the curve being flatter for more bureaucratic companies.
- H8crilA 3y agoAh yes, the good old 3-way split of organizational hierarchy, and the posturing speech/behavior of the middle layer: https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/ https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-...
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- Mistletoe 3y agoI wonder when corporations will move solely to Signal. I would feel so completely naked having my work emails on display for all to read.
- markstos 3y agoI know a cybersecurity firm that uses Signal as a Slack replacement. Signal also has desktop apps.
- philips 3y agoManaging access control if there is more than one group must be… difficult, right?
- mtlynch 3y agoIn these cases, Microsoft is legally required to hand over these communications. It doesn't matter if they're end-to-end encrypted with something like Signal. Microsoft would still be required to hand over what the court requested.
- Dig1t 3y agoWhat would happen if they used the auto-delete feature? Like if all messages were auto-deleted after 30 days or something.
- dharmab 3y agoIn the US, the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure require corporations to keep emails from 3-7 years depending on their content, with some emails potentially kept forever. SOX compliance requires 7 years.
- ahmadalli 3y agoTo be compliant with regulations they need to keep the records even if the email is deleted from the user's mailbox
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- StopHammoTime 3y agoI like that this was sent using the Mail app and not Outlook.
- starik36 3y agoI use it instead of Outlook as well. It comes up immediately and is supremely snappy. Unfortunately they are replacing it in 2024 with Outlook Lite, which takes solid 2-4 seconds to come up.
- solardev 3y agoIt's amazing that a 2024 email app can manage to be slower than Eudora running on my Athlon from 1999... what did they add, a ML-powered Clippy?
- bogwog 3y agoApparently a PHD isn’t in the budget for the outlook team
- fodkodrasz 3y agoI guess react and a webview.
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- fodkodrasz 3y agoMail app has its UI deteriorated during the years, but it is still he best email client around. Actually there is no real competition in the field anymore.
- gxs 3y agoHonestly what jumps out to me reading this is how unclear his communication is, and I don’t mean from the perspective of native/non native English speaker. It’s hard to understand specifically what he means here, which just may be due to a lack of context, even though I generally get his point. I think mostly I’m just being a harsh grader here because I expected someone like him to communicate very clearly and concisely.
- xwowsersx 3y agoThis is how most emails at the exec/c-suite level read. Admittedly kind of annoying, but a lingo develops and shorthand is used all over. There have been many in-person conversations with the people included in this email so they have all this built up context and shared language. To you, it sounds cryptic, but the recipients understood exactly what Satya meant here.
- oblio 3y agoThat bothers me a bunch but not less than using "ask" as a replacement for "request" and "learning" for "lesson".
- xwowsersx 3y agoI am so with you. "Ask" drives me up a wall!
- xyzelement 3y agoI find that limiting the number of things that drive you up a wall is good. "I have something to ask of you" is not a novel term for request. And ask is softer than request, giving the other party more opening to decline. I don't hate it.
- gldnspud 3y agoI think the annoyance is in the use of the word “ask” as a noun. Example: “I have an ask for you” being used instead of “I have a request for you”.
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- ramraj07 3y agoAnd yet it has not prevented him from being one of the most successful CEOs in history if you go by both strategy and market cap growth.
- gxs 3y agoI don’t know, I understand why you’d rush to his defense, but in this case I don’t view him as an especially great ceo. He performs well, as you’d expect from an extremely well compensated CEO of one of the preeminent technology companies of our time, but he’s by no means been exceptional.
- ramraj07 3y agoNot really accurate, he’s a far better CEO, compared to Tim Cook, Jassy and especially compared to Sundar Pichai who for all intents and purposes is running Alphabet down into the ground. He made Microsoft relevant again using strategy (as opposed to autopilot like Appple).
- gxs 3y agoIt’s funny that you chose to compare him to those CEOs in particular, seeing as to how they all inherited great business that were seemingly on autopilot. All of these companies were poised to explode in value as they have in the last few years. Somehow you’re singling out Satya as being responsible for Microsoft’s growth yet dismissing the other CEOs - not sure why you’re so passionate about defending him, though of course you’re entitled to your opinion. If anything Tim Cook has done the better job all out of all of them.
- ramraj07 3y agoSathya since taking over pivoted Microsoft’s strategy in a fundamental way that no other CEO did. I mean Tim Cook did to some extent firing Ive and all, but they still sell iPhones to people. Microsoft embraced open source and the cloud when its original profits from the opposite of those two.
- isthiseasymode 3y agoI wonder how apples latest iPhone gaming reveal affects these plans. If the iPhone can play raytraced games, then why would someone want to stream the game in the first place? It’s probably still too little too late, but apples latest metal conversion tool and iPhone event have me hopeful about gaming on apple devices.
- rudedogg 3y agoI think it’s sad they haven’t released a successor to SpriteKit/SceneKit. RealityKit looks promising at first glance, but it’s definitely AR first, and has some odd limitations like no tvOS. Like your reply hints, their strategy seems to have shifted to making it easier to port games from other platforms rather than build them on Apple’s.
- hayst4ck 3y agoStreaming is fantastic. It means there is an indirect reference between the display of the game, and the running of the game. It means you can play max quality games on a $200 chromebook. The game can be running in the same rack as the server. Visual/input lag is a different type of lag than game client/server lag, I'm not sure which one will win the long haul. As fiber is being installed into more residences, streaming becomes an even better prospect. I would much rather be vendor locked into steam than into the xbox, play station, or ios stores. Steam still has execs that think about more than next quarters profits, they aren't trying to bleed their cash cow dry like most other companies seem to be doing. From a monetary point of view $10 a month with no contract is more appealing than $500 or even $3000 every several years. It definitely seems like there are many economies of scale wins to be had via centralization. Apple also failed to create a marketplace culture. IOS gaming is synonymous with "pay to win". Good games just aren't put on those devices with the exception, maybe, of riot's games and pc ports. I would be worried about Apple's "lets make money off kids gambling" culture, that is absolutely pervasive in mobile gaming, becoming more pervasive due to cross pollination. Apple is generally a benevolent dictator, but when it comes to mobile games they are a slum lord.
- nvy 3y ago>Streaming is fantastic. Streaming is awful. It perpetuates the idea that you pay for a thing but don't own it. It creates more incentives for ongoing monetization (to support the streaming infra) like in-game ads and loot boxes with paid keys. It introduces horrendous input lag that fluctuates based on network conditions and it means there's yet another probably buggy layer of abstraction between the game and the player. (edit: and you can't play on LAN!) Unless you're playing Yahtzee, streaming delivers a suboptimal gaming experience.
- RyanShook 3y agoPlease either write out "Thanks" or just leave off a close. Thx may as well be "f you."
- SpikyBlackHard 3y agoIs it true, is it kind, is it necessary. My dad taught me that. I break the rules all the time but I try make it 2/3. How are you today.
- segfaltnh 3y agoI believe that's a Buddhist expression about "right speech".
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- neilv 3y agoYes, and I object even more to people who have "Thanks," as boilerplate email template, as I've seen multiple people do. It means more if you type it. But those are nothing compared to people using LLMs to generate ostensibly handwritten emails. kthxbye
- sundarurfriend 3y agoTo each their own. To me "Thanks" looks boilerplate-y and so will likely fade out as meaningless noise when reading the mail, whereas "Thx" looks like it has at least a (tiny) chance of being genuine.
- fodkodrasz 3y agoWhen watching American TV shows it is already disturbing that people don't seems to say goodbye to each other, just walk away. Guess they found it boilerplate-y too? It would be considered immensely rude here, yet American tourists always complain why the cashiers, or whatever service person don't have an ever-fake-smiling face... Thx.
- scandox 3y agoCan someone clarify the usage of the word "sockets" in this email?
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- elromulous 3y agoThey "plug in" to it?
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