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Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers
- basisword 3y agoImagine getting paid to deliver something and complaining about actually having to deliver it. I can see the problems they face, but delivering an item...most of the way...isn't the solution.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoWhat are customers going to do? Go get it themselves? Clearly not. The potential loss of someone's property they use to deliver isn't worth it, as the article mentions. It also mentions laws enacted to support the delivery workers. > Two Brazilian cities and one state are discussing bills to allow drivers to refuse deliveries at the door — three cities have already approved them. Kick out delivery apps who don't adhere to the law, simple as that. Important to remember that these workers are humans; remember the human.
- userbinator 3y agoImagine a world in which doing the job right (and taking pride in doing so, regardless of how trivial a job it is) is actually the norm. In some parts of some countries, it still is.
- jmondi 3y agoImagine thinking everything is so black and white.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoImagine someone thinking you can spend pride somewhere. This, in my experience, is a dog whistle for "do the shit job regardless of negative costs inflicted on the worker for someone else's benefit." People became accustom to the consumer excess from the abuse gig workers take, and now that workers have some leverage, consumers are clutching their pearls over the loss.
- oh_sigh 3y agoPerhaps the problem is America is economically biased. If your pride in your trivial job brings you respect in your community, then maybe it's worth it, even if you're struggling to make ends meet. If your pride buys you not a modicum of social standing, and barely let's you provide basic essentials for yourself, and you're treated with contempt or as an invisible person by your community, why put pride into the job?
- rootusrootus 3y ago> Perhaps the problem is America is economically biased. I think in this situation the problem is not reading the article.
- oh_sigh 3y agoI did read the article. I was responding to a point someone made, which I took to be about America(rightly or wrongly), not to the article itself. I suspect OP doesn't actually know much about Brazil. While we're talking about missed reading, perhaps you should check out the commenting guidelines.
- pringk02 3y agoSounds like the primary worry is having their bike or other gear stolen, which is reasonable I think. If you can't earn without those things, then you won't want to risk them. The solution seems to be either to get customers to come down, or to eliminate crime. I'd take a guess that having customers come down is a quicker and cheaper solution to implement.
- runnerup 3y agoAnother solution is having a proper bicycle lock. Yes, they’re heavy but I bike around with Kryptonites largest and thickest U-lock, as well as sometimes with a 25-lb 18mm motorcycle chain for the bicycle. I do think the food delivery model should only work for customers willing to pay delivery people $25+/hr, especially considering you’re not just paying what should be a living wage for labor but also renting the capital that the delivery person brings to the job (car, bicycle, locks, etc)
- treis 3y agoThe article says the deal is delivery to the street entrance. They are doing their job.
- simiones 3y agoIf the payment for the service doesn't cover the costs of the service (insurance for a bike and for the loss of work before a new one is found), then what is so surprising? The market is adjusting: if the cost is fixed, then the offer (quality of service) gets reduced.
- malux85 3y agoImagine being in a world where you can wave your finger over some little glass shard, and a hot meal of your choosing is delivered to you. Then imagine complaining that you had to go outside your house to get it. I think the act of getting off the couch and going downstairs before consuming your food is probably a good thing for your health; and the primary reason for all of this is the delivery driver, who is likely living a harder life than you, doesn’t want to lose their livelihood.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y agoThe same logic extends however far you feel like making it extend, though. Imagine being in a world where you can wave your finger over some little glass shard, and a hot meal of your choosing is prepared for you, and all you have to do is go get it. Obviously it's absurd to imagine that anyone would ever want it to also be brought to them.
- malux85 3y agoYes, you can extend the logic forever, however that ignores the obvious and enormous power differential between the two parties. The first has to go down and get their food, a minor inconvienience. The other has to risk losing their delivery vehicle / property when it gets stolen while they are in the building (an enormous, possibly income-destroying inconvienience) I'm saying that the person in the building should maybe have a little gratitude for their position and empathy for the delivery driver
- Justsignedup 3y agoThey are between a rock and a hard place: I think the game StarCitizen had a perfect visualization of their problem. When you try to trade resources, you make say 4% income on the trade. So if you trade say 2-million you can win about 200k or 400k, depending on server state. However the risk is your ship blows up, which could be because of a buggy crash or a server crash. The risk was "is the value I get from the work worth it if a single crash can undo days worth of effort". Same is happening here. They are risking a month of income in order to do a single delivery. However if they leave it by the door "I never got the order" and thus they get penalized. So basically damned if you do, damned if you don't. So they basically said "well if I get penalized ANYWAYS... might as well eat it, because it is equivalent to me" I see zero ethical issues with what is happening. Now if the motorbike was provided by the company, and it gets stolen? Cool, the employee doesn't care, and I assure you, the company would change its policy in a day "nope, you come downstairs!" Edit: The root of the gig economy is that all the risk is shifted to the employee, but none of the benefits. A friend of mine is an HVAC tech, and he gets a company car. If he is about to be late to an appointment because of parking issues... "well, leave the car, we'll pay for the ticket, just get to the job" and he doesn't care. Why? Because the company assumes the risk as they should. He's not a gig worker.
- runnerup 3y agoThanks for writing out the economic model at play here. I needed a better way to communicate this and much of your phrasing works very well.
- robertlagrant 3y ago> So they basically said "well if I get penalized ANYWAYS... might as well eat it, because it is equivalent to me" > I see zero ethical issues with what is happening. I think that's an equivalent economic outcome, but not an equivalent ethical outcome.
- Justsignedup 3y agoThis is fair, but I think it is a minor difference. However the shock-and-awe is driving things to better behaviors so it works. I am sure the delivery worker tried a a lot of different things first.
- ballenf 3y agoThe service that the customer paid for, according to the apps and detailed in the article, is street-level delivery only. So imagine paying for one thing and then extorting an additional service out of the driver because the service gives you more power than the driver. Seems to me the legislation should be focused on the delivery app companies -- force them to pay workers extra if an order requires the extra time and risk of inside delivery. And maybe even cover the cost of anything stolen while they're workers are on the job. They'd very quickly figure out a solution.
- rakoo 3y agoNot everything can be bought. The situation delivery workers are in is not one of choice, of decision over their own conditions of living and working, regarding the number of working hours, the independence, the wages, etc... To blindly expect those people to do whatever you want because you have the money makes you look closer to a Disney Villain than a human being who wants to build a society with these people.
- runnerup 3y ago> because you have the money I think the issue is that maybe the customer doesn’t have the money to make the laborer do what they want. At a much higher wage, the delivery person would be happy to risk their bicycle / other capital.
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- mistercheph 3y agoImagine paying the lowest bidder to deliver something and then complaining when it's late or in the wrong place. I can see the problems they face, but not hiring a professional to do the job .... isn't the solution.
- lwansbrough 3y agoWonder how many times you can threaten this before being permanently banned. 3 times?
- ohgodplsno 3y agoThe absolute entitlement to believe that delivery workers should be coming up to your door at the 9th floor, while complaining about "ethics". You're using a delivery service like Uber Eats, Deliveroo or Doordash that are well known to underpay, overwork and unjustly punish workers that do not maximize their deliveries per hour, and you have the gall to complain that they're not taking pride in their jobs from your ivory tower. Your feet are not going to die because your fat ass has to get up from the couch. Put on some slippers, some pants and go down. Do it early too, every app offers tracking, don't make them wait for five minutes while you find your keys.
- fmobus 3y agoSome people have disabilities thou.
- earthboundkid 3y agoYeah, or even just small children who can't be kept from burning the building down.
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- bobsmooth 3y agoAre you disabled?
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- ebalit 3y agoIt seems like "upstairs" delivery should be a paid option and be explicit in the ordering and delivery apps.
- bombcar 3y agoThis is the real solution, but nobody wants to admit the costs associated with this. Heckers, the companies could use "machine learning" (read: simple SQL scripts) to determine how much time going up to your apartment "costs" and charge you based on such. Then buildings with faster elevators would be more valuable!
- ghaff 3y agoThere's a class of what could be broadly described as personal services, including near real-time home delivery, that a lot of people who aren't uber-wealthy want but will only pay for grudgingly and will try to squeeze as much as possible. In turn, companies that employ the low-skill workers providing those services squeeze their workers as much as possible. ADDED: I suspect that the fact that a lot of delivery is "free" these days makes at least some people resentful when it's not.
- Ekaros 3y agoConsidering same person probably orders multiple times. You could just tell drivers to mark at their phone when they have for example parked. And then from there calculate average time it takes for them to be back at their cars. Intrusive to them, but could be fair metric.
- exabrial 3y agoI have never used one of these services and never will. Way too many horror stories. If I'm making already poor decisions to eat fast food I might as well bike, walk, or drive to go get it and save myself another $10.
- eddtests 3y agoOr quick groceries for the elderly? There are a lot of people using these apps beyond fast food for lazy people. For example I used to order a lot from a meal prep place that did chicken, rice, and broccoli when I was working in another state and didn't have access to a kitchen. If someone asks for lunch to be delivered because they're stuck in a meeting it doesn't help if they have to go somewhere to pick it up. Etc... The default should be delivery to the door unless mitigating circumstances. And if you can help them out by going to meet them downstairs then great.
- bombcar 3y agoThe elderly/handicapped is an interesting situation, because (in the USA) companies are required by the ADA to make "reasonable accommodations" for the disabled. Which includes things like offering full-service gas fill-ups even at stations that are self-serve only. So you could see delivery apps requiring "door delivery" for ADA purposes, and then people abusing that (because charging more for ADA compliance is usually a non-starter).
- eddtests 3y agoPersonally I think it should just default to front-of-building but have a no-charge button to have delivery to the door which drivers can see in advance. Then if they don't want to bother they can skip it, and if people need a delivery to the door they can get that too without having to message and explain. Also gives people the option to add additional information on door codes/where to locate the door inside the apartment etc. Sure some people might abuse the system but I think most people, most of the time, are happy to go and get it from the front of the building. If you really want you can have the tip automatically set to 15% instead of 10% for door deliveries but allow the user to reduce that if they want, should get around the ADA stuff I assume (but not sure).
- sshine 3y agoThe market decides. Food delivery most places mean to the door of the apartment, not the apartment complex entrance. This is terrible for food delivery agents, since it slashes the efficiency of most deliveries. I always run downstairs, since I am humbled that anyone would cook and bring me food. But as long as this is not the norm, food delivery agents are at the bottom of the food chain. In the past, this was a job for unions. Postal workers of Denmark had passed by law that mailboxes must be at street level. So all apartment complexes nationwide had to install extra mailboxes at the ground floor if they hadn't already. It can be quite bad for your knees to walk thousands of stairs every day.
- ballenf 3y agoThe article explains that, at least in Brazil, customers are only paying for street-level entrance delivery as per the app terms of service.
- bombcar 3y agoIt also depends on locality - around where I live, the delivery guys will go right up to your door, because there are so few apartments that it's not a major issue to ride 'vator for the few deliveries there (which are often seniors, anyway). But in New York? You might spend most your life in elevators.
- ebalit 3y agoYes that was an interesting part. Here in France it seems like the apps say the delivery should be upstairs if the customer asked for that, but drivers have the same issue with going upstairs as in Brazil. And I can see why if they get paid the same. My guess is, the apps know the issue, but explicit "street-level" deliveries don't sell as well.
- soulofmischief 3y agoI live with chronic sciatica. Some days, I'm feeling well enough for a walk in the park. Other days, I can barely limp to my kitchen or bathroom. Modern food delivery has been amazing for those kinds of days. Whenever drivers don't actually dash to my door as requested, it turns a simple meal into an agonizing journey.
- matt3210 3y agoThey’re not paid to go upstairs and tips are bad I hear. I bet they can’t make ends meat even without going upstairs.
- daneel_w 3y agoI wonder if this specific case isn't counterproductive activism, which will create opportunity for a new food delivery segment that specifically promises door delivery.
- ajhurliman 3y agoWith what employees?
- daneel_w 3y agoWrong perspective. When enough customers are fed up there will be an opportunity ripe for entrepreneurship. Labour is always in greater supply than customers.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago>Labour is always in greater supply than customers. How does this square with the fact that a greater and greater proportion of the population is of non working age?
- daneel_w 3y agoThere's no country with a 0% unemployment rate.
- bell-cot 3y agoZzz. Expecting the delivery workers to eat the difference between "5-second hand-off to somebody who's waiting at the street entrance"* and "gotta secure their vehicle & stuff and get through your building security and figure our where your apartment is and trek up there and..." is an age-old "treat your servants like shit because you can" move. *The article is very clear that the delivery app's Terms of Service specify "street-level entrance only". [Added footnote. Credit: ballenf.]
- arijun 3y agoComparing it with a 5-second hand off is like one of those bar graphs that cuts off the origin to make the difference in the bars look bigger. It’s more a difference between a 15 and 18 minute delivery. Not nothing, but I don’t see a huge difference between that and someone who lives 18 minutes away. I personally go down to meet them, but mostly because it’s faster for me to run down than wait for them to take my slow elevator.
- bell-cot 3y ago15 minutes vs. 18 minutes - that's roughly a 17% pay cut for the driver, plus assumption of liability (for theft). I'll guess that ~100% of folks here on HN would feel themselves blatantly screwed over if they were on the receiving end of that deal.
- dingnuts 3y agoIf I was a disabled person who would have immense difficulty getting to the street and back again, I sure would hope I could pay an extra 3% or have that cost built in, because going to the street would defeat the purpose of getting delivery.
- forgetfreeman 3y agoRight, but given population statistics it's a pretty safe bet that the majority of individuals involved here are not disabled in any meaningful way and are making life difficult for their delivery drivers for their own personal convenience. It's interesting to me how quick folks in the comment section are to try to take cover behind some dude in a wheelchair.
- sevenf0ur 3y agoIf you have to go into the street to pick up your order, I don't see the point in food delivery. You might as well walk to the restaurant at that point.
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- digitalsushi 3y agoDo you like, live in a city or something? The closest restaurant to me is 7 miles and the closest one I will eat from, 11. I would gladly go to my driveway!
- ghaff 3y agoI don't use food delivery because there's nothing I would want that I could have delivered. But it takes me close to half an hour to drive out and pick something up. If I had good delivery options I would probably use them now and then. (If I lived in a city though and had options within a 5 minute walk, I'd probably just pick up takeout myself.) Honestly, I usually have something in the freezer if I just want something quick but sometimes I don't feel like thinking about cooking even something simple.
- uuuuuuuuuid 3y agoI know! It’s only 11 miles round trip, and everyone can use a bit of exercise. (And indeed like sibling I picked 11 for the nearby good restaurants, to which I do bike but only outside of winter).
- pythonguython 3y agoYou don’t even have to put on real shoes to go downstairs. You can put on slippers. Even in the most dense city, food delivery to the street level is more convenient than walking to the restaurant.
- nh23423fefe 3y agoWhat you've said makes no sense.
- nlh 3y agoUS perspective (eg theft of bikes / crime is not AS serious a problem as Brazil, although it can be bad): I'm a bit torn here. On the one hand, I fully empathize with the delivery drivers (particularly if the rules / policy of the app is NOT doorstep delivery) and where theft is a real issue. However, as a (US) consumer, where the apps DO allow us to request doorstep delivery, I think there is no issue with consumers wanting to get the service they paid for. Uber Eats / Doordash charge a pretty hefty premium in terms of markup & delivery fees, and we're paying for the service of having food delivered to our door. You can call us lazy or whatever other names you want, but consumers do have the right to expect to receive a service they've paid for. And it is not our responsibility to make sure the delivery services are paying the drivers properly.
- minitoar 3y agoEhhh no ethical consumption and all that but I’m gonna have to go ahead and disagree with that last sentence. If I become aware of a business treating workers poorly I’m inclined to find an alternative.
- nlh 3y agoVery fair point. I considered revising that as I wrote it. I think consumers can and should be able to "protest" (for some definition of protest) by either choosing an alternative or tipping more or whatever. But that should be a consumer decision, not necessarily an obligation.
- ryandrake 3y agoAs someone else mentioned, "tipping more" does not protest the practice of paying workers poorly. In fact it enables and reinforces the practice.
- vuln 3y agoThe alternative is to not use apps and stop being lazy / going after the most convenient route. Humans are addicted to convenience no matter the cost.
- tennisflyi 3y agoNot sure how the delivery worker won’t just get three strikes and kicked off?
- racl101 3y agoSeems like a fair compromise if delivery to the door is not part of the terms.
- atum47 3y agoI've been ordering food less, cause I'm trying to get in shape. But here in Brazil we have the delivers that work for the app (ifood) and the delivers that work for the restaurant. The ones who works for the restaurant always are more pleasant and never complained about going up two flights of stairs to deliver my food. I think they get a bigger cut (if not all of it) of the delivery cost.
- Ekaros 3y agoOr they are paid hourly or are regular employees, and taking longer won't affect their income at all. Maybe boss will yell a bit if they take too long.
- AndrewDucker 3y agoSounds like the basic issue is that they're paid by the delivery, rather than being on salary, so anything that makes deliveries take longer than the minimum is costing them money.
- 876978095789789 3y agoI hate all of these companies. The streets in my city, especially in the evening, are now flush with their drivers zooming around on e-bikes, e-scooters, and mopeds, often on the sidewalks, with little regard for the traffic laws or pedestrians, and I've personally witnessed them colliding with pedestrians on multiple occasions (thankfully not badly hurt). I have never used any of the services, and I take spiteful pleasure in knowing that those who do are wasting their money and poisoning themselves with unhealthy ****.
- chromoblob 3y agofood
- branon 3y agoOne of my principles is that you shouldn't screw with the people who deliver your packages. And this goes double if they're delivering food. If the man calls and says come down to get your food, your options at that point are a) come down to get your food, or b) refuse delivery. Anything else is out of scope here, _including_ the notion that the delivery person was supposed to deliver upstairs and is refusing. While it might be an inconvenience, it's really not your problem as a customer. What are you going to do about it anyway? Argue? That'll just get you posted on tiktok. It's the company's problem, and it's a self-correcting evolution - given enough instances, presumably that person won't be allowed to handle deliveries anymore, OR you wouldn't patronize that service any longer. Now, you may have already switched delivery services when the recalcitrant delivery person is replaced with someone more amenable to delivering upstairs. But either way, the problem is solved.
- jkaplowitz 3y agoSo how are people with mobility issues or medical quarantine situations supposed to get their food if there isn’t a way to reliably arrange for delivery people to bring it to (at least outside) their door? And yes, both of these circumstances have happened to me at times within the last few years, though fortunately not so far in a permanent way. Other people do have such limitations permanently.
- mistercheph 3y agoThere are services and residences that accomodate those needs, and they pay the workers that satisfy them commensurately and they cost more.
- jkaplowitz 3y agoAnd yet, every delivery app I’ve used has let me deliver to the door at no extra charge, and that’s usually been honored. We’re disagreeing about the reasonableness of the Brazilian service discussed in the article where street-level delivery is the standard service, at least ignoring the unusually high theft risk in Brazil that may make that restriction more defensible there. In the US and Canada and Germany, delivery to the door has been routine in most of my experience.
- Ekaros 3y agoI think what is needed is different service tiers. The basic delivery is only to nearby or outer door and leaves food there. Next up they wait you to come and pick it up. And pay couple euros more still and it is to the door. Could be only way to make it sustainable in long run.
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- adamwong246 3y agoWhen I was a little boy, we didn't get food delivered to our cubes by Gammas. Instead, we could leave our cubes anytime we wanted. We'd go to places called "grocery stores" to buy food wasn't even cooked yet! Then we'd take our "groceries" back to our cube and cooked it ourself. Sometimes, we'd even invite the people in nearby cubes to eat it with us.
- rendall 3y agoLet's revisit this excerpt from the article, which would mitigate many of these comments about how "workers should take pride in their work" and "do their job" and similar. They are doing their jobs. > "According to Rappi and iFood, which control over 90% of Brazil’s app delivery market, drivers do not need to make doorstep deliveries. On paper, representatives from both companies told Rest of World, their rules already require delivery workers to only go as far as a street-level point of contact, from which customers are asked to collect their meals." > "A common worry among drivers is that their cycles, motorbikes, or bags might be stolen if left unattended. Most buildings don’t allow them to park inside, workers told Rest of World, forcing them to leave their vehicles and delivery bags on the street. The bags frequently contain two or three orders as the apps assign them multiple deliveries along the same route. To avoid having the other orders stolen, the bags must also go up with the drivers."
- mrguyorama 3y agoJust goes to show how absolutely entitled people here are that doing something explicitly against the rules of the system you have WILLINGLY PARTICIPATED IN is considered "expected" from the lowest paid workers.
- davidsergey 3y agoI think I'm in the minority, but I just would not order a delivery in 90% of the cases. If I remember myself say in 2005-2010 I would order Pizza once in 1.5 months, and I was ready to come downstairs to receive a package. These days I order food, knowing that it will allow me uninterrupted work (I'll just receive a package and get back to work). If I have to interrupt my "flow-ish" state anyway, I'll just go out or make an omelette in 10 minutes. Context: I live 10 minutes away from a high street in London.
- sw104 3y agoWhen you say it allows you uninterrupted work, are you talking about overtime or have you moved towards eating delivered food during working hours? I couldn't imagine eating takeaways during my lunch break or snacks during the workday. What sort of food is it?
- pmarreck 3y agoThere's a real communications failure apparent here between customers and delivery riders.
- bentt 3y agoThis is a market opportunity for middlemen to cover the last 100ft of delivery. Call it "The Runners".
- SKWR-PLS 3y agoall the commercials still show the food arriving at your door in the us at least. if it does not come to my door like my packages, I am just not going to pay for the service. the companies will figure it out.
- kissgyorgy 3y agoThat's the exact service customers are paying for: deliver the food to their door...
- INTPenis 3y agoWhen they started including maps with GPS tracking in delivery apps I was so happy because I could actually run down and meet them. I totally understand that some people are just lazy and disrespectful but to me it's a given that you at least go down to your gate. Not only because there is no way for the delivery people to get in, but also because it saves time and I'm not disabled.
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- itslennysfault 3y agoI've lived in several cities in the US over the past decade and noticed that delivery drivers in different regions have distinctly different norms regarding this. I lived on the 36th floor of a building in Chicago with a doorman, and I would consistently get the driver coming to up to my door. I don't think I ever once had to meet them in the lobby. When I lived in Seattle very very few drivers would come in from the sidewalk even when I lived in a first floor unit maybe 50' from the street. I'd buzz them in and they'd wait in the threshold with the door open. Beyond that, maybe 20% of drivers would only call me, never buzz, and expect me to come out to their car to grab my food. I lived in Chicago again more recently in a 4th floor walk up, and I'd usually try to go down and meet them (habit from Seattle, and also it was a lot of stairs and I felt bad), but they'd consistently come hustling up the stairs before I got the chance to come down and meet them. Other places I lived fell somewhere between Seattle and Chicago on this spectrum.
- manicennui 3y agoMy experience in Chicago is that it depends completely on how easy it is to park or double park.
- manicennui 3y agoKnow who doesn't have these kinds of issues in the US for the most part? The employee delivery drivers at national pizza chains. These chains also charge a fraction of the fees that the big players do for delivery.
- bena 3y agoAnother data point to show why places like McDonalds never offered delivery in the first place. It's just not worth it. Something these "disruptors" just don't get. They either have to charge too much, pay too little, or often the combo platter of both. They've increased the number of unique parties involved to four and have removed the possibility of real accountability from all of them. Of course it's a shitshow. Everyone has different incentives and they are often at odds with the incentives of the other parties.
- denton-scratch 3y agoVideo autoplays; but my Firefox is configured to not autoplay. I consider that at best malicious; I stopped reading and closed the tab (it was distracting me).
- uncletaco 3y agoThe only time someone has refused to deliver to my door it was because they recently had surgery that amputated their leg. They called and told me the deal and I happily met them on the street.
- karmakaze 3y agoI'm pretty much done with delivery apps. I'll either order pizza directly from the pizzeria or go pickup the food myself. It's faster, hot, tastier, and cheaper. Food delivery as a service is following the path of Airbnb, a good idea in theory, but not in practice. Too much variation, no quality control--little recourse, just roll the dice again next time.
- justin66 3y ago"I'm going to leave this here, just like I'm supposed to do according to my work contract" is sympathetic. "I'm going to eat your food and make a video of myself doing it and put it on the internet" is extremely strange. In the end it's sort of a feel-good story. Watching that video I'm reassured that I'm not the only one whose culture is in decline...
- kranke155 3y agoThey’re trolling because that’s one of the few ways a human being that’s not upper class can get attention in the Brazilian cacophony.
- ipaddr 3y agoOrdering in food is probably the most wasteful dangerous thing the average young person can do. Food costs 20x more than making it yourself, getting it in your hands in perfect condition is a random crapshoot (from cold food to left out ingredients multiple difficulty level by number of meals) and there is no more likely way to catch illnesses, food poisoning and lifelong stomach issues. I stopped ordering out and started preparing meals ahead. No more nervous days wondering if the food will come, no more angry phone calls trying to get items fixed, no more delivery fees+tip+taxes+plus insane cost of food.
- sw104 3y agoNot sure why you're being downvoted for stating this. To add to what you said, environmentally it's awful. Where I live it, most of the food deliveries were bicycle based a few years ago. Now it's all cars, mopeds and e-bikes (the best of a bad bunch) as anything less makes the delivery driver less competitive against the others. The bikes/e-bikes ignore traffic lights and flow, causing close-calls and collisions in pedestrian areas (where they pick up the food). None of the economic, environmental and moral (laziness) waste can possibly be justified for the sort of rubbish that is being sold on a takeaway app. It's always just junk like burgers, chips, and cakes.
- happytiger 3y agoDon’t have servants. Get your own food. Problem solved.