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Yeah, youtube-dl has been uselessly slow for me for over a year. Long since switched to yt-dlp.

by tedunangst 3y ago

yoyohello13 3y ago
Shh… don’t tell anyone about the other project.
- Workaccount2 3y ago
  The wider internet has some kind of brain damage where they think spreading stuff like this is a smart way of protesting.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
    I agree and I don't. We can rip dvds almost precisely, because spreading stuff beyond the ability for it to be easily controlled under single point of failure.
    - Workaccount2 3y ago
      Nothing could really be done about DVDs because the hardware was immutable and already out in the wild. Highlighting a still operating service though just draws legal attention to it. It's like finding a crappy bar everyone hates that stores beers out back in a alley. You can keep it to yourself and enjoy it for years, or you can "protest" the bar by telling the whole town about it. See ad-blocking for a real world example of this.
      - A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
        I absolutely get your point and I personally struggle with this as a concept, because, well, I was young once. There is a benefit to knowledge staying from being too... easily distributed, especially if it is used poorly. But.. having benefited from it in terms of general knowledge, I am not sure it is my place to lock the gates behind me. Ad-blocking is definitely an interesting story, but, to me at least, it seems like another cat and mouse game resulting from lack of any pro-consumer enforcement. Corps have legal batting for them. What do we get? Control over our computers and even that is being eroded daily.. I still remember the first time I looked at the log from raspberry pihole. I am not much of a revolutionary, but seeing it all was a radicalizing moment for me. And it wasn't the childish 'I want to see X'. It was 'the fuck is all this on my network'? Overall, I think you are wrong. Were it not for people drawing attention to this, we would not even have legal streaming now. Just like with music, pirates actually forced an adoption of somewhat sane standards..
        account42 3y ago
        > Were it not for people drawing attention to this, we would not even have legal streaming now. Streming is not exactly an improvement over what we had before. If you bought a DVD or VHS you could rewatch it whenever you want and share it with your friends. With streaming services you own nothing and content disappears all the time.
      - onetokeoverthe 3y ago
        [dead]
    - godzillabrennus 3y ago
      I bought a tshirt with the decss key on it when that went public.
      - Tommstein 3y ago
        I think I still have mine somewhere.
    - philistine 3y ago
      Almost precisely? The bits are correct or they're not.
      - A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
        I apologize, I may have not expressed myself clearly. What I meant to indicate was that the bits being distributed the way they were was the likely reason we were able to rip dvds based on the fact entities trying to quash distribution of they key stopped.
- kilroy123 3y ago
  Lol I mean it has ~53k stars on GitHub. Not exactly a secret. :p
AugustoCAS 3y ago
You have to build it from source to avoid the 60kbps limit. There hasn't been a release since Dec 2021 and there have been some updates since then that implement the 'puzzle' to get the right value of the url parameter. It's worth noting that YouTube is trialling a new player and a lot of applications (invidious, new pipe, etc) are experiencing some issues in the last couple of weeks.
- danuker 3y ago
  It's funny how a trillion-dollar company is playing cat-and-mouse with a few free software projects, and losing most of the time.
  - netsharc 3y ago
    I have a feeling Google/Alphabet/YouTube aren't investing a lot of money into this, because they know their opponents have almost infinite resource, of free time and dedication. Besides how would you like to work in the YouTube "DRM" team, where every few weeks you'd show up to work and the news is "well, they cracked it again, your last few months' of work is useless.".
    - roywashere 3y ago
      It is not Google in the courts, it is Sony and Warner, the ‘rights holders’!
    - jagraff 3y ago
      Honestly, that does sound kind of fun. Requires more creativity than building CRUD app after CRUD app
    - brucethemoose2 3y ago
      > I have a feeling Google/Alphabet/YouTube aren't investing a lot of money into this, because they know their opponents have almost infinite resource, of free time and dedication. They aren't investing because its a CLI tool. Its not really a threat. If it was, like, a "1 click download free music from Youtube!" app that was trending like crazy, Google would focus more on fighting it. The project is balanced between reasonable accessibility and not drawing too much attention from Google. Its kinda like the AI Wars video game, where you undermine a distracted/disenterested AI without drawing too much of its attention.
keybpo 3y ago
https://github.com/ytdl-patched/youtube-dl/ https://github.com/ytdl-patched/youtube-dl/

Yeah, youtube-dl has been uselessly slow for me for over a year. Long since switched to yt-dlp.

yoyohello13 3y ago

Shh… don’t tell anyone about the other project.

Workaccount2 3y ago
The wider internet has some kind of brain damage where they think spreading stuff like this is a smart way of protesting.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
  I agree and I don't. We can rip dvds almost precisely, because spreading stuff beyond the ability for it to be easily controlled under single point of failure.
  - Workaccount2 3y ago
    Nothing could really be done about DVDs because the hardware was immutable and already out in the wild. Highlighting a still operating service though just draws legal attention to it. It's like finding a crappy bar everyone hates that stores beers out back in a alley. You can keep it to yourself and enjoy it for years, or you can "protest" the bar by telling the whole town about it. See ad-blocking for a real world example of this.
    - A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
      I absolutely get your point and I personally struggle with this as a concept, because, well, I was young once. There is a benefit to knowledge staying from being too... easily distributed, especially if it is used poorly. But.. having benefited from it in terms of general knowledge, I am not sure it is my place to lock the gates behind me. Ad-blocking is definitely an interesting story, but, to me at least, it seems like another cat and mouse game resulting from lack of any pro-consumer enforcement. Corps have legal batting for them. What do we get? Control over our computers and even that is being eroded daily.. I still remember the first time I looked at the log from raspberry pihole. I am not much of a revolutionary, but seeing it all was a radicalizing moment for me. And it wasn't the childish 'I want to see X'. It was 'the fuck is all this on my network'? Overall, I think you are wrong. Were it not for people drawing attention to this, we would not even have legal streaming now. Just like with music, pirates actually forced an adoption of somewhat sane standards..
      - account42 3y ago
        > Were it not for people drawing attention to this, we would not even have legal streaming now. Streming is not exactly an improvement over what we had before. If you bought a DVD or VHS you could rewatch it whenever you want and share it with your friends. With streaming services you own nothing and content disappears all the time.
    - onetokeoverthe 3y ago
      [dead]
  - godzillabrennus 3y ago
    I bought a tshirt with the decss key on it when that went public.
    - Tommstein 3y ago
      I think I still have mine somewhere.
  - philistine 3y ago
    Almost precisely? The bits are correct or they're not.
    - A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
      I apologize, I may have not expressed myself clearly. What I meant to indicate was that the bits being distributed the way they were was the likely reason we were able to rip dvds based on the fact entities trying to quash distribution of they key stopped.
kilroy123 3y ago
Lol I mean it has ~53k stars on GitHub. Not exactly a secret. :p

AugustoCAS 3y ago

You have to build it from source to avoid the 60kbps limit. There hasn't been a release since Dec 2021 and there have been some updates since then that implement the 'puzzle' to get the right value of the url parameter. It's worth noting that YouTube is trialling a new player and a lot of applications (invidious, new pipe, etc) are experiencing some issues in the last couple of weeks.

danuker 3y ago
It's funny how a trillion-dollar company is playing cat-and-mouse with a few free software projects, and losing most of the time.
- netsharc 3y ago
  I have a feeling Google/Alphabet/YouTube aren't investing a lot of money into this, because they know their opponents have almost infinite resource, of free time and dedication. Besides how would you like to work in the YouTube "DRM" team, where every few weeks you'd show up to work and the news is "well, they cracked it again, your last few months' of work is useless.".
  - roywashere 3y ago
    It is not Google in the courts, it is Sony and Warner, the ‘rights holders’!
  - jagraff 3y ago
    Honestly, that does sound kind of fun. Requires more creativity than building CRUD app after CRUD app
  - brucethemoose2 3y ago
    > I have a feeling Google/Alphabet/YouTube aren't investing a lot of money into this, because they know their opponents have almost infinite resource, of free time and dedication. They aren't investing because its a CLI tool. Its not really a threat. If it was, like, a "1 click download free music from Youtube!" app that was trending like crazy, Google would focus more on fighting it. The project is balanced between reasonable accessibility and not drawing too much attention from Google. Its kinda like the AI Wars video game, where you undermine a distracted/disenterested AI without drawing too much of its attention.

keybpo 3y ago

https://github.com/ytdl-patched/youtube-dl/ https://github.com/ytdl-patched/youtube-dl/