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As noted in the article, the project still has a page on github: http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/ http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/ I've moved on to

As noted in the article, the project still has a page on github: http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/ http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/ I've moved on to https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp anyways. But this is still an infuriating move. youtube-dl wasn't doing anything infringing on its site, was it?

charcircuit 3y ago
yt-dlp is not youtube-dl
- xeromal 3y ago
  They said they moved on to yt-dlp
  - ikekkdcjkfke 3y ago
    I would run any such binary in a container og some sort anyway
  - throwbadubadu 3y ago
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- HumblyTossed 3y ago
  [flagged]
- somat 3y ago
  The main difference in the fork is that yt-dlp uses the android interface and youtube-dl uses the web interface.
  - boomboomsubban 3y ago
    Huh? Both have command line interfaces.
    - somat 3y ago
      no, the method used get/figure out the video. -dlp uses the same method as the android player -dl uses the same method as the web page.
    - None4U 3y ago
      Interface as in API.
pteraspidomorph 3y ago
Back then, I seem to recall there was an issue with an example given in the documentation.
- boomboomsubban 3y ago
  That was a completely different thing, this is a court order ruling youtube-dl a circumvention tool and that somehow means hosting a website that links to their github is unacceptable.
tedunangst 3y ago
Yeah, youtube-dl has been uselessly slow for me for over a year. Long since switched to yt-dlp.
- yoyohello13 3y ago
  Shh… don’t tell anyone about the other project.
  - Workaccount2 3y ago
    The wider internet has some kind of brain damage where they think spreading stuff like this is a smart way of protesting.
    - A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
      I agree and I don't. We can rip dvds almost precisely, because spreading stuff beyond the ability for it to be easily controlled under single point of failure.
      - Workaccount2 3y ago
        Nothing could really be done about DVDs because the hardware was immutable and already out in the wild. Highlighting a still operating service though just draws legal attention to it. It's like finding a crappy bar everyone hates that stores beers out back in a alley. You can keep it to yourself and enjoy it for years, or you can "protest" the bar by telling the whole town about it. See ad-blocking for a real world example of this.
        A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
        I absolutely get your point and I personally struggle with this as a concept, because, well, I was young once. There is a benefit to knowledge staying from being too... easily distributed, especially if it is used poorly. But.. having benefited from it in terms of general knowledge, I am not sure it is my place to lock the gates behind me. Ad-blocking is definitely an interesting story, but, to me at least, it seems like another cat and mouse game resulting from lack of any pro-consumer enforcement. Corps have legal batting for them. What do we get? Control over our computers and even that is being eroded daily.. I still remember the first time I looked at the log from raspberry pihole. I am not much of a revolutionary, but seeing it all was a radicalizing moment for me. And it wasn't the childish 'I want to see X'. It was 'the fuck is all this on my network'? Overall, I think you are wrong. Were it not for people drawing attention to this, we would not even have legal streaming now. Just like with music, pirates actually forced an adoption of somewhat sane standards..
riidom 3y ago
It was a thread just like this, some years ago, where I heard first from youtube-dl. I never uninstalled something faster than JD2 afterwards.
1vuio0pswjnm7 3y ago
Currently, AFAICT, the "rolling cipher" is not even required for unthrottled speed. I could be wrong. I am not an expert on YT. However I tested all the 30+ sample videos in youtube.py^1 outside the browser, without using "youtube-dl" or "youtube-dlp", and got only unthrottled speeds. Perhaps someone can provide an example to prove that this "rolling cipher" is actually required. 1. https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/master/yt_dlp/extractor/youtube.py https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/master/yt_dl... Another point I never see discussed is that every YT video page contains download links in the source of the page. No "rolling cipher" is needed to use them. I think it's fair to call them "download" links because the speed is throttled to be too slow for "streaming".
- tadfisher 3y ago
  Correct, the only ones claiming YouTube's "rolling cipher" is an anti-piracy control are the RIAA. YouTube themselves have not claimed this to my knowledge.
  - nadermx 3y ago
    This point is specifically up on appeal in the US Second circut https://torrentfreak.com/yout-counters-riaa-in-court-quoting-lyrics-and-highlighting-youtubes-absence-230529/ https://torrentfreak.com/yout-counters-riaa-in-court-quoting...

charcircuit 3y ago

yt-dlp is not youtube-dl

xeromal 3y ago
They said they moved on to yt-dlp
- ikekkdcjkfke 3y ago
  I would run any such binary in a container og some sort anyway
- throwbadubadu 3y ago
  [flagged]
HumblyTossed 3y ago
[flagged]
somat 3y ago
The main difference in the fork is that yt-dlp uses the android interface and youtube-dl uses the web interface.
- boomboomsubban 3y ago
  Huh? Both have command line interfaces.
  - somat 3y ago
    no, the method used get/figure out the video. -dlp uses the same method as the android player -dl uses the same method as the web page.
  - None4U 3y ago
    Interface as in API.

pteraspidomorph 3y ago

Back then, I seem to recall there was an issue with an example given in the documentation.

boomboomsubban 3y ago
That was a completely different thing, this is a court order ruling youtube-dl a circumvention tool and that somehow means hosting a website that links to their github is unacceptable.

tedunangst 3y ago

Yeah, youtube-dl has been uselessly slow for me for over a year. Long since switched to yt-dlp.

yoyohello13 3y ago
Shh… don’t tell anyone about the other project.
- Workaccount2 3y ago
  The wider internet has some kind of brain damage where they think spreading stuff like this is a smart way of protesting.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
    I agree and I don't. We can rip dvds almost precisely, because spreading stuff beyond the ability for it to be easily controlled under single point of failure.
    - Workaccount2 3y ago
      Nothing could really be done about DVDs because the hardware was immutable and already out in the wild. Highlighting a still operating service though just draws legal attention to it. It's like finding a crappy bar everyone hates that stores beers out back in a alley. You can keep it to yourself and enjoy it for years, or you can "protest" the bar by telling the whole town about it. See ad-blocking for a real world example of this.
      - A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
        I absolutely get your point and I personally struggle with this as a concept, because, well, I was young once. There is a benefit to knowledge staying from being too... easily distributed, especially if it is used poorly. But.. having benefited from it in terms of general knowledge, I am not sure it is my place to lock the gates behind me. Ad-blocking is definitely an interesting story, but, to me at least, it seems like another cat and mouse game resulting from lack of any pro-consumer enforcement. Corps have legal batting for them. What do we get? Control over our computers and even that is being eroded daily.. I still remember the first time I looked at the log from raspberry pihole. I am not much of a revolutionary, but seeing it all was a radicalizing moment for me. And it wasn't the childish 'I want to see X'. It was 'the fuck is all this on my network'? Overall, I think you are wrong. Were it not for people drawing attention to this, we would not even have legal streaming now. Just like with music, pirates actually forced an adoption of somewhat sane standards..

riidom 3y ago

It was a thread just like this, some years ago, where I heard first from youtube-dl. I never uninstalled something faster than JD2 afterwards.

1vuio0pswjnm7 3y ago

Currently, AFAICT, the "rolling cipher" is not even required for unthrottled speed. I could be wrong. I am not an expert on YT. However I tested all the 30+ sample videos in youtube.py^1 outside the browser, without using "youtube-dl" or "youtube-dlp", and got only unthrottled speeds. Perhaps someone can provide an example to prove that this "rolling cipher" is actually required. 1. https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/master/yt_dlp/extractor/youtube.py https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/master/yt_dl... Another point I never see discussed is that every YT video page contains download links in the source of the page. No "rolling cipher" is needed to use them. I think it's fair to call them "download" links because the speed is throttled to be too slow for "streaming".

tadfisher 3y ago
Correct, the only ones claiming YouTube's "rolling cipher" is an anti-piracy control are the RIAA. YouTube themselves have not claimed this to my knowledge.
- nadermx 3y ago
  This point is specifically up on appeal in the US Second circut https://torrentfreak.com/yout-counters-riaa-in-court-quoting-lyrics-and-highlighting-youtubes-absence-230529/ https://torrentfreak.com/yout-counters-riaa-in-court-quoting...