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We Are Typists First, Programmers Second

41 points by bdfh42 18y ago

bdfh42 18y ago
What typing? I use Visual Studio - you just hit a letter and then the <TAB> key and Intellisense writes the code. The programs don't always do what was intended but hey you can't have everything.
- Hexstream 18y ago
  I only type 65 WPM and use long variable names, yet I usually don't bother using autocompletion. I feel thinking about possible word clashes and the resulting background process of continually estimating the optimal prefix so that I type enough letters to get the correct completion yet not too much to waste effort is slower and more distracting than just typing it out. As I see it, autocompletion is just an aid for when you don't remember the exact name of something.
axod 18y ago
That's ridiculous. Good programmers work out how to type less using the power of their mind. If you can type exceedingly fast, where is the incentive to produce better more concise maintainable code? Learning to type fast before programming could be a big mistake IMHO. Also, if you love programming, you practice... and the more you practice, the faster you get. Typing is just the current method most people use to pass data from ourselves to computers. Programming will continue to exist once we have moved on from using keyboards.
- mechanical_fish 18y ago
  If you can type exceedingly fast, where is the incentive to produce better more concise maintainable code? You don't strive for concise code because it takes less time to type. You strive for it because it's easier to read. The reason you have to be able to type quickly is that, while your final result may be concise, you may have to type parts of your code several times as you revise it down to that final form. Then you have to type the documentation, the emails to the rest of the team, the blog posts describing your work. Then the specs will change, or your ambition will grow, and you will type some more. Programming will continue to exist once we have moved on from using keyboards. I don't see why this would happen. Except for those who are unfortunate enough to sustain a typing injury, keyboards are better than the alternatives. Have you ever tried dictating Perl code to someone? As if reading /^foo+([bB]a+r)$/ wasn't hard enough -- trying to pronounce it is like torture. Are you capable of writing 82 WPM longhand? I certainly can't. Maybe if my notepad had autocompletion, but even then I'm dubious. Keyboards have autocompletion, too, and they have it right now. Maybe someday we'll perfect the mindreading interface which rearranges text based on pure thought, but until then I suspect that keyboards will always be the first choice. Which is not to say that I'd turn down a notepad that could flawlessly read my writing. The problem with typing 82 WPM is that it's hard to do it all day. I'd be willing to switch back and forth to longhand just for the ability to write digital text while I'm taking a break from the keyboard.
  - axod 18y ago
    "I don't see why this would happen." You can't foresee any time in the future of the universe when we will stop using keyboards to transfer data from ourselves to machines? Before the advent of the typewriter, I'm sure there was a similar argument for Authors - that they must learn to write quickly and neatly with pens. Good advice in the day, but an Author is still an Author, whether they use a pen or a typewriter.
    - jimbokun 18y ago
      "Maybe someday we'll perfect the mindreading interface which rearranges text based on pure thought" So, the post you reply to does foresee a future without keyboards. What intermediate stage do you see between keyboards and mind reading? As pointed out, handwriting and speaking code have significant drawbacks over the keyboard.
      - axod 18y ago
        Maybe some sort of OLED keyboard which predicts what you're going to write and presents the logical options for you in obvious places? For example if you're writing java, there's only a small number of valid syntaxes you could start with, so the 'morphing keyboard' could just present those, then present the next options etc. As you got more used to it, you'd know what it was going to 'morph' to, so would probably be able to go pretty fast. I don't know what might work well though. I'm just saying the keyboard is not the ultimate input method, I'm sure we'll see a whole raft of changes before we get to mind reading.
        jimbokun 18y ago
        It would need to be something you don't have to look at. One of the important features of touch typing is you can keep your eyes on the screen.
    - mechanical_fish 18y ago
      "The future of the universe"? Who can predict that? Let's stick with "in the working lifetime of anybody reading this". And "transfer data from ourselves to machines" is far too general as well. We're talking about programming, right? In the future -- in the present, really -- we're all going to use cameras and mics and touchpads and accelerometers and (god help us) mobile-phone keyboards for most of our human-computer interaction... but for writing software? Am I going to write software by doing an interpretive dance? (Actually, that would be kind of fun. And it might be great to have a system that can, say, watch a human move some stuff around on a monitor and then mimic the moves N times using a robot. But we're not going to write Javascript interpreters with dancing. Some tasks require precise specification.) So, yeah. I don't see it. I'm still a believer in precisely formatted plain text, and keyboarding is a great way to create that. Although I'm really looking forward to using the table-sized multi-touch handwriting-aware Minority Report megadisplay of the future, I'm not confident that writing code is one of the things I'll do with it. Can anybody from (e.g.) the Media Lab, or another place where they have such displays today, point me to a substantial piece of software that they've written using handwriting recognition, or voice recognition, or intelligent circles-and-arrows recognition? That might help me to transcend my blind spot. But it seems like, when they sit down to code, the smart folks all use emacs or vi. Obviously, just because I don't see it coming doesn't mean it won't happen. You're right: Most of the folks born before the typewriter became practical didn't foresee the typewriter. They just got really good at using pens.
- yummyfajitas 18y ago
  The difference is the following. As a fast typist using emacs, code simply flows from my brain to the compiler. I think it, things compile, I see the results. My conscious brain is 100% focused on my code, it's almost like a direct brain <-> computer connection. Lately I've suffered from RSI. The pain is no biggie, but it forces me to consciously focus on typing. When this occurs, I lose the (almost) direct direct brain <-> computer connection. The fact that 15% of my brain is focused on typing without pain lowers my productivity significantly.
  - axod 18y ago
    Maybe I'm doing something wrong. The bottleneck for me has never been typing speed (Even when using idiotically verbose java), and I'm probably an average speed typist.
    - yummyfajitas 18y ago
      It's not a matter of speed being a bottleneck, it's a matter of context switching. Switching context makes me lose focus. Fast, unconscious typing: Code -> program results -> code -> program results -> woohoo, it works! Thinking about typing: Code -> typing -> program results -> code -> typing -> "Mmm, pad thai, so yummy." -> "Where was I?" -> code -> program results -> code -> typing -> "I don't know her name, but I think I'm in love with record store girl." -> "where was I?" -> "She has the nicest smile when I buy music she likes."
  - helveticaman 18y ago
    Totally. An editor like emacs changes everything.
  - lutorm 18y ago
    Dude, take the pain seriously -- if you don't, you might find that connection totally severed! And I'm speaking from personal experience. If you think you have it bad now, try dictating your code using voice recognition. You don't want to end up there, trust me, so doing whatever is necessary right now is a good investment in future productivity.
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- nradov 18y ago
  It's not ridiculous at all. You may spend very little time actually typing in code, but most developers spend a lot of time typing things like API documentation, design proposals, e-mails, IMs, etc. The slow typists tend to write inadequate documentation and not exchange enough written communications with their colleagues. Keyboards will continue to be the primary means for entering code and English text for quite a few more years. So it's rather silly to put off learning touch typing now while waiting for practical speech recognition or some kind of BMI to show up.
  - axod 18y ago
    "API documentation, design proposals, e-mails, IMs, etc" None of those are programming. They are communication and admin. Which are completely different.
    - briancooley 18y ago
      Which wouldn't be a problem if you had infinite hours to do everything. If you are spending two hours a day doing that stuff instead of one hour because you type slow, that's one less hour that you could be coding, or learning, or whatever.
    - nradov 18y ago
      Exactly. And they all have to get done in whatever limited time you have.
    - kingkongrevenge 18y ago
      I disagree. Writing and coding are much the same. I interpret the replies to this as saying you should hurry through this stuff. Just shovel the crap out. Well, if it's not worth writing with some care then it's not worth writing at all. If it's worth writing with care, then your typing speed is not going to be the relevant bottleneck, unless we're talking about a hunt and peck typist. I take it as given that anything one writes, whether code or English, should be read and edited three times before moving on. 80 wpm vs 50 wpm ain't gonna matter if you're doing this.
  - kingkongrevenge 18y ago
jeroen 18y ago
If I had to, I could use a mouse with my foot on an onscreen keyboard. It would require a bit more patience and time, but it would in no way hinder my ability to create software.
- scott_s 18y ago
  Requiring more patience and time fits the definition of hinder.
- hugh 18y ago
  Y'know, that gives me an idea. Why not a foot-controlled mouse? That way I'd never have to take my hands off the keyboard. (quick googling) Oh, they already exist. Has anyone ever used one? They're three hundred bucks, so I'm not gonna buy one just to try it out and see if I like it.
  - stcredzero 18y ago
    A SmartNav head mouse can be had for less. I've bought two for my girlfriend who has RSI. Yes, they work quite well, but you'll need practice, and a way to hit a mouse button without using your feet. (Hard to move your feet without using your head.) There are programs that will emulate a mouse button for you.
  - SamReidHughes 18y ago
    A coworker of mine uses one and loves it.
jmah 18y ago
I've always wanted to learn to type with just my left hand. The Half-Keyboard idea goes quite a way to that end; http://gnufoo.org/ucontrol/ http://gnufoo.org/ucontrol/ used to implement it on earlier Mac OS X versions, but they were threatened with a patent suit and so removed it. Can anyone here type with one hand and recommend how to go about it?
Allocator2008 18y ago
I don't even know where to begin with this. Typing is a way to program, but not the only way. One can get on ebay or the like and find these old engineering sheets of paper where people at IBM would hand write FORTRAN code, then take the paper over to the department that would make punch cards out of the programming sheets. No typing involved. It is like saying to fly you need to know how to handle jet engines, rather than the principles of lift, keeping the nose level, etc. Whether the plane uses a jet engine or not is incidental to good piloting skills. Similarly, whether one uses a keyboard to create a program or the IBM engineering sheets to handwrite out a program is incidental to good programming skills. Typing hasn't a thing to do with programming.
davidw 18y ago
Hrm. I think great and just decent programmers are probably well within an order of magnitude of one another when typing, but not in terms of productivity. Yeah, if you don't know how to type, learn, but come on, is the sort of thing one has to resort to to get traffic?:-/
dhbradshaw 18y ago
My uncle crushed his spinal chord and lost the use of his legs and fingers. As a c6, he can move his arms in broad strokes, allowing him to type. He has become a hacker in the best sense and done important work for many years now. His mind matters more than his fingers.
maurycy 18y ago
Few months ago we were writers, now we're typists. What's next?
- inerte 18y ago
  From Jeff and Steve: The One Thing Every Software Engineer Should Know http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001177.html http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001177.html Every week some thing is more important than the old thing from previous week. Next, we'll hear about stuff like "food", and "friends" and "love". This necessity to shock is a gimmick. It does work for sensationalized news for example, where from time to time a certain crime gets more coverage and importance than others, even if the same type of crime is happening simultaneously. Typing is cool, ok, and so is marketing. But the germinating view is simplistic: All things being equal, an awesome engineer who types faster is better than an awesome engineer. But things are never equal. "Learn Typing" plays with a primal human necessity, apealing to the easier denominator. It makes people feel good to tell them that they can be better professionals in two weeks. "Learn Marketing" plays with our frustations. So many people have lived this situation: The product was perfect, but maybe if I had just told about it differently, if I had just made my boss understand, if I just knew a way to convince others how much awesome I am, etc. And let's not forget about yesterday's article about Honda, thriving in dificult times, but run by engineers. The truth is that we (human beings, not specifically the HN crowd) like to hear about what we like. I see so many indications of the little club that exists in here (reddit is even worse nowadays), but that's not the point, because this is normal. The point is that all this shit doesn't matter, but we like to pretend that it does because we get to be happy for five minutes. Managers have this disease too, with their self-help books and curiosity to know who moved their cheese. These things are like happiness injections, making us feel good until the next shine stuff appear. BTW, I do believe typing and marketing is important, but in no way they're even near the top qualities I am looking for in a programmer.
  - vlad 18y ago
    Great post.
rapind 18y ago
I don't agree with Jeff or Steve. Mainly because a lot of programming is about thinking, reading, googling, and copy / paste. However, a couple weeks ago I did read Steve's original post on this and decided that since I wasn't a great typist I couldn't really argue that it is or isn't a hindrance for coding. So I began learning to touch type. Since Steve's post I've put in approximately 1 hour (sometimes more) a day using a course I paid for. My words per minute is up to about 50 (I used to be around 35 with my own invented way of typing), however I've still seen no speed increase while programming because of all the symbols and numbers, so I'm still at it. I still don't think it'll have much of an impact on my quality of code or rate of production. Most of my time is still spent thinking, reading, googling ;) IMHO, anyone saying that typing is the most important skill for a programmer is being silly. It likely is one more useful tool in your toolbox though. We'll see.
- rapind 18y ago
  I forgot to add a small point of criticism. In order to prove his point near the end Jeff is comparing extremes instead of realities. Touch typing v.s. not using a keyboard at all... I think the reality comparison is 80 wpm v.s. 35 wpm. Also, I could be wrong on this, but I doubt the 84 wpm he rated on a word test is the same rate he'd get writing code. The -=+/?\|&*()$#@! really slows me down drastically. My apologies if I'm wrong.
  - chris11 18y ago
    This sounds like a good problem to solve, create a typing program for programmers.
    - rapind 18y ago
      yeah, the thought occurred to me. Something similar to http://online.typingmaster.com http://online.typingmaster.com but allows users to create and pakage custom courses. I.e. a programming course that starts with most of the same stuff but then gears towards a specific language (java, ruby, python, etc.). Then allows you to share these courses with others.
- 18y ago
jcl 18y ago
On a barely related note, this article reminded me of how much I enjoyed Typing of the Dead. Unfortunately, the only legitimate place I've been able to find it is on GameTap, which requires a subscription fee. Does anyone know of similar games? It seems there is a market opportunity for genuinely entertaining typing games for a post-elementary-school audience.
icey 18y ago
Dear painters: If you want to succeed, please use the largest brush available.
Frabjous-Dey 18y ago
I like Steve Yegge and Jeff Atwood a lot, and I respect them as experienced programmers who probably know a lot more than I do. But, frankly, articles like this discredit their expertise in my eyes. You would either have to be an extremely poor typist or an extremely prolific programmer for your productivity to be constrained by your typing.
tdavis 18y ago
It's important to note that being a competent typist and being a competent programming typist are different things. On the test that Jeff linked to in his post, I scored 101 WPM. Throw in enough symbols and numbers and other non-standard stuff and I am forced to look at the keyboard occasionally which lowers that number significantly. As someone coming back to Vim after years away, this is complicated by the need to memorize and be able to instantly recall a font of often complicated commands. I am so inefficient currently that if a task simply requires some copy/paste operations or I need to work with a very long file I will usually just fire it up in TextMate and use the dreaded mouse to speed things along. I don't believe conventional typing courses are sufficient for gaining the sort of seamless connection talked about here because the focus is on proficiency in typing common characters / words. I much prefer the "Words & Numbers" test on that site (http://typeonline.co.uk/typingspeed_alpha_numeric.php http://typeonline.co.uk/typingspeed_alpha_numeric.php) because it forces the practice of shifting between common characters and less common ones. There's another test I can't recall the link to that basically just makes you type never-ending series of single numbers and symbols along the top row. Learning conventional typing is pretty easy. Becoming a highly skilled programming typist is a task that requires much more practice.
gills 18y ago
Or...don't write bloated code. Same result. There's a point in life where you just need to understand your weaknesses but not obsess over them, and focus on your strengths instead.
msie 18y ago
The article should be called "We Are Bloggers First, Programmers Second."
mxh 18y ago
As a hacker friend put it: "Programmers are paid to think, and occasionally type". Not the other way 'round.
light3 18y ago
Wow I never knew the proper definition for WPM - when I was young I started learning to type in VI and I practiced speed which as I recall was around 60 words / min, but trying out my typing speed on that webpage I find my speed under proper WPM definition I'm doing 110 WPM awesome :)) Typing fast and efficiently has many benefits - you save energy, you do things faster. Although in the case of programming typing speed is only one factor which determine how well you program. One could argue that learning more powerful languages or the ability to problem solve are equally if not more important.
aneesh 18y ago
Typing is almost never the rate-limiting step when programming.
tsally 18y ago
As a rebuttal, I present this scientific graph: http://i37.tinypic.com/33e086s.png http://i37.tinypic.com/33e086s.png
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41 points by bdfh42 18y ago

What typing? I use Visual Studio - you just hit a letter and then the <TAB> key and Intellisense writes the code. The programs don't always do what was intended but hey you can't have everything.

Hexstream 18y ago
I only type 65 WPM and use long variable names, yet I usually don't bother using autocompletion. I feel thinking about possible word clashes and the resulting background process of continually estimating the optimal prefix so that I type enough letters to get the correct completion yet not too much to waste effort is slower and more distracting than just typing it out. As I see it, autocompletion is just an aid for when you don't remember the exact name of something.

axod 18y ago

That's ridiculous. Good programmers work out how to type less using the power of their mind. If you can type exceedingly fast, where is the incentive to produce better more concise maintainable code? Learning to type fast before programming could be a big mistake IMHO. Also, if you love programming, you practice... and the more you practice, the faster you get. Typing is just the current method most people use to pass data from ourselves to computers. Programming will continue to exist once we have moved on from using keyboards.

mechanical_fish 18y ago
If you can type exceedingly fast, where is the incentive to produce better more concise maintainable code? You don't strive for concise code because it takes less time to type. You strive for it because it's easier to read. The reason you have to be able to type quickly is that, while your final result may be concise, you may have to type parts of your code several times as you revise it down to that final form. Then you have to type the documentation, the emails to the rest of the team, the blog posts describing your work. Then the specs will change, or your ambition will grow, and you will type some more. Programming will continue to exist once we have moved on from using keyboards. I don't see why this would happen. Except for those who are unfortunate enough to sustain a typing injury, keyboards are better than the alternatives. Have you ever tried dictating Perl code to someone? As if reading /^foo+([bB]a+r)$/ wasn't hard enough -- trying to pronounce it is like torture. Are you capable of writing 82 WPM longhand? I certainly can't. Maybe if my notepad had autocompletion, but even then I'm dubious. Keyboards have autocompletion, too, and they have it right now. Maybe someday we'll perfect the mindreading interface which rearranges text based on pure thought, but until then I suspect that keyboards will always be the first choice. Which is not to say that I'd turn down a notepad that could flawlessly read my writing. The problem with typing 82 WPM is that it's hard to do it all day. I'd be willing to switch back and forth to longhand just for the ability to write digital text while I'm taking a break from the keyboard.
- axod 18y ago
  "I don't see why this would happen." You can't foresee any time in the future of the universe when we will stop using keyboards to transfer data from ourselves to machines? Before the advent of the typewriter, I'm sure there was a similar argument for Authors - that they must learn to write quickly and neatly with pens. Good advice in the day, but an Author is still an Author, whether they use a pen or a typewriter.
  - jimbokun 18y ago
    "Maybe someday we'll perfect the mindreading interface which rearranges text based on pure thought" So, the post you reply to does foresee a future without keyboards. What intermediate stage do you see between keyboards and mind reading? As pointed out, handwriting and speaking code have significant drawbacks over the keyboard.
    - axod 18y ago
      Maybe some sort of OLED keyboard which predicts what you're going to write and presents the logical options for you in obvious places? For example if you're writing java, there's only a small number of valid syntaxes you could start with, so the 'morphing keyboard' could just present those, then present the next options etc. As you got more used to it, you'd know what it was going to 'morph' to, so would probably be able to go pretty fast. I don't know what might work well though. I'm just saying the keyboard is not the ultimate input method, I'm sure we'll see a whole raft of changes before we get to mind reading.
      - jimbokun 18y ago
        It would need to be something you don't have to look at. One of the important features of touch typing is you can keep your eyes on the screen.
  - mechanical_fish 18y ago
    "The future of the universe"? Who can predict that? Let's stick with "in the working lifetime of anybody reading this". And "transfer data from ourselves to machines" is far too general as well. We're talking about programming, right? In the future -- in the present, really -- we're all going to use cameras and mics and touchpads and accelerometers and (god help us) mobile-phone keyboards for most of our human-computer interaction... but for writing software? Am I going to write software by doing an interpretive dance? (Actually, that would be kind of fun. And it might be great to have a system that can, say, watch a human move some stuff around on a monitor and then mimic the moves N times using a robot. But we're not going to write Javascript interpreters with dancing. Some tasks require precise specification.) So, yeah. I don't see it. I'm still a believer in precisely formatted plain text, and keyboarding is a great way to create that. Although I'm really looking forward to using the table-sized multi-touch handwriting-aware Minority Report megadisplay of the future, I'm not confident that writing code is one of the things I'll do with it. Can anybody from (e.g.) the Media Lab, or another place where they have such displays today, point me to a substantial piece of software that they've written using handwriting recognition, or voice recognition, or intelligent circles-and-arrows recognition? That might help me to transcend my blind spot. But it seems like, when they sit down to code, the smart folks all use emacs or vi. Obviously, just because I don't see it coming doesn't mean it won't happen. You're right: Most of the folks born before the typewriter became practical didn't foresee the typewriter. They just got really good at using pens.
yummyfajitas 18y ago
The difference is the following. As a fast typist using emacs, code simply flows from my brain to the compiler. I think it, things compile, I see the results. My conscious brain is 100% focused on my code, it's almost like a direct brain <-> computer connection. Lately I've suffered from RSI. The pain is no biggie, but it forces me to consciously focus on typing. When this occurs, I lose the (almost) direct direct brain <-> computer connection. The fact that 15% of my brain is focused on typing without pain lowers my productivity significantly.
- axod 18y ago
  Maybe I'm doing something wrong. The bottleneck for me has never been typing speed (Even when using idiotically verbose java), and I'm probably an average speed typist.
  - yummyfajitas 18y ago
    It's not a matter of speed being a bottleneck, it's a matter of context switching. Switching context makes me lose focus. Fast, unconscious typing: Code -> program results -> code -> program results -> woohoo, it works! Thinking about typing: Code -> typing -> program results -> code -> typing -> "Mmm, pad thai, so yummy." -> "Where was I?" -> code -> program results -> code -> typing -> "I don't know her name, but I think I'm in love with record store girl." -> "where was I?" -> "She has the nicest smile when I buy music she likes."
- helveticaman 18y ago
  Totally. An editor like emacs changes everything.
- lutorm 18y ago
  Dude, take the pain seriously -- if you don't, you might find that connection totally severed! And I'm speaking from personal experience. If you think you have it bad now, try dictating your code using voice recognition. You don't want to end up there, trust me, so doing whatever is necessary right now is a good investment in future productivity.
- 18y ago
nradov 18y ago
It's not ridiculous at all. You may spend very little time actually typing in code, but most developers spend a lot of time typing things like API documentation, design proposals, e-mails, IMs, etc. The slow typists tend to write inadequate documentation and not exchange enough written communications with their colleagues. Keyboards will continue to be the primary means for entering code and English text for quite a few more years. So it's rather silly to put off learning touch typing now while waiting for practical speech recognition or some kind of BMI to show up.
- axod 18y ago
  "API documentation, design proposals, e-mails, IMs, etc" None of those are programming. They are communication and admin. Which are completely different.
  - briancooley 18y ago
    Which wouldn't be a problem if you had infinite hours to do everything. If you are spending two hours a day doing that stuff instead of one hour because you type slow, that's one less hour that you could be coding, or learning, or whatever.
  - nradov 18y ago
    Exactly. And they all have to get done in whatever limited time you have.
  - kingkongrevenge 18y ago
    I disagree. Writing and coding are much the same. I interpret the replies to this as saying you should hurry through this stuff. Just shovel the crap out. Well, if it's not worth writing with some care then it's not worth writing at all. If it's worth writing with care, then your typing speed is not going to be the relevant bottleneck, unless we're talking about a hunt and peck typist. I take it as given that anything one writes, whether code or English, should be read and edited three times before moving on. 80 wpm vs 50 wpm ain't gonna matter if you're doing this.
- kingkongrevenge 18y ago

jeroen 18y ago

If I had to, I could use a mouse with my foot on an onscreen keyboard. It would require a bit more patience and time, but it would in no way hinder my ability to create software.

scott_s 18y ago
Requiring more patience and time fits the definition of hinder.
hugh 18y ago
Y'know, that gives me an idea. Why not a foot-controlled mouse? That way I'd never have to take my hands off the keyboard. (quick googling) Oh, they already exist. Has anyone ever used one? They're three hundred bucks, so I'm not gonna buy one just to try it out and see if I like it.
- stcredzero 18y ago
  A SmartNav head mouse can be had for less. I've bought two for my girlfriend who has RSI. Yes, they work quite well, but you'll need practice, and a way to hit a mouse button without using your feet. (Hard to move your feet without using your head.) There are programs that will emulate a mouse button for you.
- SamReidHughes 18y ago
  A coworker of mine uses one and loves it.

jmah 18y ago

I've always wanted to learn to type with just my left hand. The Half-Keyboard idea goes quite a way to that end; http://gnufoo.org/ucontrol/ http://gnufoo.org/ucontrol/ used to implement it on earlier Mac OS X versions, but they were threatened with a patent suit and so removed it. Can anyone here type with one hand and recommend how to go about it?

Allocator2008 18y ago

I don't even know where to begin with this. Typing is a way to program, but not the only way. One can get on ebay or the like and find these old engineering sheets of paper where people at IBM would hand write FORTRAN code, then take the paper over to the department that would make punch cards out of the programming sheets. No typing involved. It is like saying to fly you need to know how to handle jet engines, rather than the principles of lift, keeping the nose level, etc. Whether the plane uses a jet engine or not is incidental to good piloting skills. Similarly, whether one uses a keyboard to create a program or the IBM engineering sheets to handwrite out a program is incidental to good programming skills. Typing hasn't a thing to do with programming.

davidw 18y ago

Hrm. I think great and just decent programmers are probably well within an order of magnitude of one another when typing, but not in terms of productivity. Yeah, if you don't know how to type, learn, but come on, is the sort of thing one has to resort to to get traffic?:-/

dhbradshaw 18y ago

My uncle crushed his spinal chord and lost the use of his legs and fingers. As a c6, he can move his arms in broad strokes, allowing him to type. He has become a hacker in the best sense and done important work for many years now. His mind matters more than his fingers.

maurycy 18y ago

Few months ago we were writers, now we're typists. What's next?

inerte 18y ago
From Jeff and Steve: The One Thing Every Software Engineer Should Know http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001177.html http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001177.html Every week some thing is more important than the old thing from previous week. Next, we'll hear about stuff like "food", and "friends" and "love". This necessity to shock is a gimmick. It does work for sensationalized news for example, where from time to time a certain crime gets more coverage and importance than others, even if the same type of crime is happening simultaneously. Typing is cool, ok, and so is marketing. But the germinating view is simplistic: All things being equal, an awesome engineer who types faster is better than an awesome engineer. But things are never equal. "Learn Typing" plays with a primal human necessity, apealing to the easier denominator. It makes people feel good to tell them that they can be better professionals in two weeks. "Learn Marketing" plays with our frustations. So many people have lived this situation: The product was perfect, but maybe if I had just told about it differently, if I had just made my boss understand, if I just knew a way to convince others how much awesome I am, etc. And let's not forget about yesterday's article about Honda, thriving in dificult times, but run by engineers. The truth is that we (human beings, not specifically the HN crowd) like to hear about what we like. I see so many indications of the little club that exists in here (reddit is even worse nowadays), but that's not the point, because this is normal. The point is that all this shit doesn't matter, but we like to pretend that it does because we get to be happy for five minutes. Managers have this disease too, with their self-help books and curiosity to know who moved their cheese. These things are like happiness injections, making us feel good until the next shine stuff appear. BTW, I do believe typing and marketing is important, but in no way they're even near the top qualities I am looking for in a programmer.
- vlad 18y ago
  Great post.

rapind 18y ago

I don't agree with Jeff or Steve. Mainly because a lot of programming is about thinking, reading, googling, and copy / paste. However, a couple weeks ago I did read Steve's original post on this and decided that since I wasn't a great typist I couldn't really argue that it is or isn't a hindrance for coding. So I began learning to touch type. Since Steve's post I've put in approximately 1 hour (sometimes more) a day using a course I paid for. My words per minute is up to about 50 (I used to be around 35 with my own invented way of typing), however I've still seen no speed increase while programming because of all the symbols and numbers, so I'm still at it. I still don't think it'll have much of an impact on my quality of code or rate of production. Most of my time is still spent thinking, reading, googling ;) IMHO, anyone saying that typing is the most important skill for a programmer is being silly. It likely is one more useful tool in your toolbox though. We'll see.

rapind 18y ago
I forgot to add a small point of criticism. In order to prove his point near the end Jeff is comparing extremes instead of realities. Touch typing v.s. not using a keyboard at all... I think the reality comparison is 80 wpm v.s. 35 wpm. Also, I could be wrong on this, but I doubt the 84 wpm he rated on a word test is the same rate he'd get writing code. The -=+/?\|&*()$#@! really slows me down drastically. My apologies if I'm wrong.
- chris11 18y ago
  This sounds like a good problem to solve, create a typing program for programmers.
  - rapind 18y ago
    yeah, the thought occurred to me. Something similar to http://online.typingmaster.com http://online.typingmaster.com but allows users to create and pakage custom courses. I.e. a programming course that starts with most of the same stuff but then gears towards a specific language (java, ruby, python, etc.). Then allows you to share these courses with others.
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jcl 18y ago

On a barely related note, this article reminded me of how much I enjoyed Typing of the Dead. Unfortunately, the only legitimate place I've been able to find it is on GameTap, which requires a subscription fee. Does anyone know of similar games? It seems there is a market opportunity for genuinely entertaining typing games for a post-elementary-school audience.

icey 18y ago

Dear painters: If you want to succeed, please use the largest brush available.

Frabjous-Dey 18y ago

I like Steve Yegge and Jeff Atwood a lot, and I respect them as experienced programmers who probably know a lot more than I do. But, frankly, articles like this discredit their expertise in my eyes. You would either have to be an extremely poor typist or an extremely prolific programmer for your productivity to be constrained by your typing.

tdavis 18y ago

It's important to note that being a competent typist and being a competent programming typist are different things. On the test that Jeff linked to in his post, I scored 101 WPM. Throw in enough symbols and numbers and other non-standard stuff and I am forced to look at the keyboard occasionally which lowers that number significantly. As someone coming back to Vim after years away, this is complicated by the need to memorize and be able to instantly recall a font of often complicated commands. I am so inefficient currently that if a task simply requires some copy/paste operations or I need to work with a very long file I will usually just fire it up in TextMate and use the dreaded mouse to speed things along. I don't believe conventional typing courses are sufficient for gaining the sort of seamless connection talked about here because the focus is on proficiency in typing common characters / words. I much prefer the "Words & Numbers" test on that site (http://typeonline.co.uk/typingspeed_alpha_numeric.php http://typeonline.co.uk/typingspeed_alpha_numeric.php) because it forces the practice of shifting between common characters and less common ones. There's another test I can't recall the link to that basically just makes you type never-ending series of single numbers and symbols along the top row. Learning conventional typing is pretty easy. Becoming a highly skilled programming typist is a task that requires much more practice.

gills 18y ago

Or...don't write bloated code. Same result. There's a point in life where you just need to understand your weaknesses but not obsess over them, and focus on your strengths instead.

msie 18y ago

The article should be called "We Are Bloggers First, Programmers Second."

mxh 18y ago

As a hacker friend put it: "Programmers are paid to think, and occasionally type". Not the other way 'round.

light3 18y ago

Wow I never knew the proper definition for WPM - when I was young I started learning to type in VI and I practiced speed which as I recall was around 60 words / min, but trying out my typing speed on that webpage I find my speed under proper WPM definition I'm doing 110 WPM awesome :)) Typing fast and efficiently has many benefits - you save energy, you do things faster. Although in the case of programming typing speed is only one factor which determine how well you program. One could argue that learning more powerful languages or the ability to problem solve are equally if not more important.

aneesh 18y ago

Typing is almost never the rate-limiting step when programming.

tsally 18y ago

As a rebuttal, I present this scientific graph: http://i37.tinypic.com/33e086s.png http://i37.tinypic.com/33e086s.png

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