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Teddit Is Shutting Down
- Borgz 3y agoTitle should be "Tedd.it is Shutting Down"
- MattGaiser 3y agoThe name most frequently used on the About page seems to be Teddit. https://tedd.it/about https://tedd.it/about
- ipcress_file 3y agoThe official instance is teddit.net The repository is here: https://codeberg.org/teddit/teddit https://codeberg.org/teddit/teddit Individual instances appear to be shutting down. This is one of them.
- dimator 3y agothe ones that are not shut down are suffering the same slow death of "429" errors. it won't be long now.
- iamtedd 3y agoAnd the name most frequently used in the linked article is tedd.it - not even capitalised. What's your point?
- xwdv 3y agoI’m curious, are there any apps that are paying these new fees?
- KMnO4 3y agoNarwhal allegedly is, and is currently covering the cost but will introduce subscriptions to pay for it in coming months. https://www.reddit.com/r/getnarwhal/comments/14kt9wj/narwhal_is_not_going_anywhere_subscriptions_and/ https://www.reddit.com/r/getnarwhal/comments/14kt9wj/narwhal...
- LeoPanthera 3y agoEven if you pay the new fees, no app is allowed to show "NSFW" content, which is now unavailable in the API. I'm tired of tech companies being run by puritans.
- Hemospectrum 3y agoIt's the credit card companies. Showing users nudity for free is fine. Making them pay for it means you're selling porn and the payment processors ban you. Reddit wants to make users pay for viewing content. They can't get away with that if the content is NSFW.
- dymk 3y agoReddits income is via ads, not cc payments This is the advertisers
- Hemospectrum 3y agoThis is about the API, which is no longer free. They are specifically blocking NSFW content from the paid API (and, by extension, from anything that uses it) so that they can charge money for it.
- dymk 3y agogiven the prices they were quoting for API usage, they’re not taking payment through a credit card
- appleflaxen 3y agoConsider r/redditseppuku
- syntaxing 3y agoKind of sad. I used to use libreddit or teddit for my reddit fix but they’re all broken now. Maybe it’s for the better so I can stop using reddit completely. With LLMs, it replaced most of my google and reddit needs anyways.
- dimator 3y agowhat? how do LLMs replace your reddit usage?
- tak2hu 3y agoWhat I use Reddit/Google search for, which LLMs can also do: - Searching info to solve my problems, obviously - Entertainment… depends on niche That’s it, okay maybe also po- (jk)
- jacooper 3y agoYou can self host it, as the issue is mainly rate limits, they still work but get limited quickly on a public instance.
- mongol 3y agoI don't understand why, but the Android app RIF / Reddit is fun still works when not logged in. It was supposed to be shut down.
- Rebelgecko 3y agoAllegedly API pricing isn't enforced on accounts that mod subs
- buzer 3y agoSomeone mentioned that it's probably using the JSON API. https://www.reddit.com/.json https://www.reddit.com/.json https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/150ozmc/twitter_has_lost_50_in_ad_revenue_and_is_now_cash/.json https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/150ozmc/twitter_has_l...
- 12345hn6789 3y agoit still works when logged in too. There are APK patchers (revanced) that will allow you to inject your private API dev key to use in the app too.
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- MetaWhirledPeas 3y ago> Lemmy is the New Reddit I hope so, but we need a winning instance first. When you search for Lemmy right now you're sent to a page that begins with "Join a Server... Run a Server". That kind of first experience will never replace Reddit. Lemmy.world seemed to be winning the SEO battles in my Google search. Is that a good one? Edit: Sorry for changing my entire post; I had incomplete information about Lemmy at the time.
- whatshisface 3y agoYou only need to create an account to post... have you ever looked at a post on Lemmy?
- rajamaka 3y agoMaybe I'm a better representation of the more casual user, but I googled Lemmy and saw words like "federation" "decentralized" "start server" which are all concepts that are like 50 IQ points more than I generally assign to my Reddit user experience. I just went back to Reddit.
- dale_glass 3y ago"decentralized" just means "there's no center, no lemmy.com that's the ultimate authority". "federated" means "servers talk to each other". So, like email. There's only one Reddit, but lots of places where you can get a mail account.
- glenstein 3y agoHuh? My experience consisted of visiting lemmy and signing up. Also, and separately, huh? You can share links on lemmy without logging in. Look, here's one: https://lemmy.ml/post/2069154 https://lemmy.ml/post/2069154 So, you can visit without being prompted to select a server. You can sign up without having to look through servers. And you can share links without logging in. So what am I missing?
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- ChrisArchitect 3y ago[dupe]
- ChrisArchitect 3y agoDiscussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36725903 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36725903
- 29athrowaway 3y agoSome Reddit related apps were fine. Like apps to assist moderators and keep communities healthy, or apps that made it easier to use Reddit. Some others were more questionable, like the ones that automatically scraped Reddit and archived all posts and comments so that there was always a way to retrieve a deleted post or comment. Or the ones that scraped Reddit to build datasets for machine learning purposes. In the end, the golden law of common sense stands: jerks make it hard to have things that are built on an expectation of good faith.
- grishka 3y agoSeeing all Reddit apps shut down, I can't help but wonder — what is it that made everyone play by the rules? What happened to the adversarial interoperability spirit? What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? I can understand the iOS apps, the App Store hegemony does kinda force this and there were cases of Apple removing apps that interact with an online service without that service's permission. But web, desktop and Android apps have no one to force them to comply with these kinds of rules, yet these are also shutting down. It wasn't always like this. 15 years ago, when ICQ was huge, everything with a screen, keyboard, a network interface, and a way to run arbitrary code had an unofficial ICQ client for it. Most people haven't ever seen the official clients. That's just one example. What happened?
- yakabuff 3y agofrom my own personal experience, reddit's legal team sends you a threatening email demanding that you take down your site stating that you have violated some tos/agreement
- Modified3019 3y agoYou should post that somewhere
- Seattle3503 3y agoYou would have to give up oauth no? If you do, your users need to trust you with their username and password. Maybe most wouldn't care.
- charcircuit 3y ago>What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act
- booi 3y agoThank god for that act. Otherwise there might be fraud on the internet
- kumarvvr 3y agoReddit has allowed the third-party app system go too far and now they are struggling to contain it. I remember when Twitter did the same thing, but they realized it early and did it when there were not too many apps that users were used to. I feel Reddit will come out fine from this. A minor hiccup. Mods will be replaced, apps will be forgotten and users will talk about this whole thing in some AskReddit thread. The sad fact of the matter is there are no viable alternatives to Reddit for the average redditor.
- zzleeper 3y agoAre you sure? I've used Reddit for 15 years and it's the first time I don't really have a good way of using it, besides the desktop (on old.reddit). On mobile (where I used to spend reddit most time) their own app is so crap I don't even have it installed, so I have no easy way to browse. On Chrome I'm not even logged-in, so I only use it whenever a google search leads me there, but I don't post or do anything meaningful. All in all, it feels like a really stupid move. If you are going to kill the apps, then have a decent alternative. Otherwise, just charge them a profitable but not stupid amount. And if reddit is losing money, maybe just look at their headcount and start there...
- idonotknowwhy 3y agoI feel like this would be a good space for a Firefox (Mobile) extension to make a usable mobile experience? Kind of like using Firefox mobile with Ublock and YouTube background play add-ons to watch YouTube
- dclowd9901 3y agoI’ve only used their app? Why is it so “crap” in your opinion?
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- Terretta 3y ago> simply because they want to cut costs on their infrastructure to protect their bottom line. This line doesn't make sense, since it doesn't "cut costs" to make a user use a particular user-agent instead of their preferred browser, nor does it "protect their bottom line". There's a potential argument that using custom clients that block ads costs Reddit ad revenue, but it wouldn't if using custom clients had been made a perk of, say, Reddit Premium which is already ad-free. There's an argument that somehow Reddit is "losing out" on third party client subscription revenue, but that's like saying web sites should share revenue from a commercial web browser, or ISPs should share revenue from subscription web sites. Hard to argue for either if one believes in net neutrality.
- IAmGraydon 3y ago"Lemmy is the New Reddit" Takes one look at Lemmy No, it isn't.
- ParetoOptimal 3y agoTry this, I find it much closer: https://wefwef.app/ https://wefwef.app/ I think the client makes all the difference.
- sureglymop 3y agoPretty smooth. How is this app made?
- romwell 3y agoIf it doesn't look and work like https://old.reddit.com https://old.reddit.com - it isn't reddit. This includes the "new" (aka default) reddit website for me.
- boesboes 3y agoWorks well, looks good, but the comment section makes me sad. It's like a weird mix of reddit, hackernews and linkedin comments.
- dvngnt_ 3y agohttps://mlmym.org/Lemmy.world/ https://mlmym.org/Lemmy.world/
- romwell 3y agoOK, now this hits all the marks for me. Thanks for sharing. I wish there was more info about this front end, and some way to ensure that it persists.
- dvngnt_ 3y agohow about now https://mlmym.org/Lemmy.world/ https://mlmym.org/Lemmy.world/
- chipshortagesux 3y agoThis is somewhat tangentially related to this whole reddit api ordeal, but can someone share why they think that official means of accessing content on reddit app? For example, I’ve been using reddit ios app for a while and it’s fine for me, aside from ads and some weird a/b tests when “sort comments” dropdown changes its location. Just before Apollo shut down, I downloaded it to see why other people swear by it. Well, it’s relatively similar and it didn’t see anything that’d make it so much better than the official app.
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- dimator 3y agoi wonder if there's a sneaky arbitrage play here, lurking in the shadows. most people on reddit (including myself) are there to lurk, not really participating in conversations, but reading content, memes, news articles, etc. is there room in the new reddit API charging scheme to, say, snapshot all the most popular NN subreddits, including conversations, every 6 hours or so, and cache and serve that read-only snapshot to visitors (in a separate app, web UI, whatever)? maybe even charge $.99 a month or something for the privilege of never having to log into reddit?
- adammichaelc 3y agoWhy don't we just bring back the OG internet? Google scraped every site on earth back in the day and nobody blinked. Who's building a new, unstoppable, Google, that will just gather all this content up, and make knowledge freely available to humanity?
- antigonemerlin 3y agoIn one sense, parts of the old internet hasn't died; dwarf fortress forums seem to be still going strong, as are other forums, if you know where to look, while new forums are springing up using different models. On the other hand, sites like reddit made it so easy to start a community that interesting people who would've built a forum instead hitched their wagon to reddit, like AskHistorians.
- throwaway5959 3y agoNah, this isn’t about alternative apps. This is all about LLMs and the massive trove of data Reddit has. I can’t blame them, I’d probably do the same in their shoes.
- lapinot 3y agoThis is a particular teddit instance shutting down, not teddit the software project. Stuff is moving a lot currently and there is a bumpy road ahead, but there are several courses of action already being mapped out (scraping html, r-e the private gql api, a setting for operators to put some auth token, ..). https://github.com/libreddit/libreddit/issues/836 https://github.com/libreddit/libreddit/issues/836 https://codeberg.org/teddit/teddit/issues/400 https://codeberg.org/teddit/teddit/issues/400
- esperent 3y agoHowever all of the instances I know of have been rate limited to the point of uselessness over the past few days.
- Marsymars 3y agoI get all my value of teddit from a self-hosted instance - I think there remains a lot of value in these types of alternative front-ends even if they’re rate-limited to what a single residential IP would normally be rate limited to and public instances aren’t possible.
- unaindz 3y agolibreddit is working on a non rate limited solution, maybe teddit too. That being said, self host if you can, it's way faster than the public instances even without the rate limit.
- nyreed 3y agoI thought teddit used something called "unofficial api" which uses reddits rss feeds to avoid using api keys and hitting rate limits. Is this not the case?
- reddtastic 3y agoI don’t know how Teddit works but RSS appears to be rate limited as well. I read several reports.
- ece 3y agoGotta leave this here: https://www.techdirt.com/2023/06/21/seven-rules-for-internet-ceos-to-avoid-enshittification/ https://www.techdirt.com/2023/06/21/seven-rules-for-internet... I think it encapsulates what is happening and what can be done about it pretty well.
- superhumanuser 3y agoI haven't used Reddit since RIF shut down. I admit I used to spend hours a day on Reddit. Searching for info, random browsing, gaming advice, etc. I've got all that time back. I am pleasantly surprised that I don't miss it. I thought I'd feel something, surely. I thought I had a relationship with the content. I don't. I didn't.
- grokas 3y agoI am in this boat. Though my phone usage is still there, I'm spending more time on other apps to get the same brain-break, entertainment, or distraction. Reading articles here or following other news sources straight from their sites instead of having a handy subreddit that aggregates them all (example - following Formula1 news).
- reddtastic 3y agoUnauthenticated API access from individual users still works. You can use my app https://reddtastic.com https://reddtastic.com (NSFW homepage) to browse any public subreddits. Use the search. Reddit Front Page: https://reddtastic.com/r/ https://reddtastic.com/r/