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Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic
- realjhol 3y ago[flagged]
- londons_explore 3y agoI would like some meta-science done of 'experts'. For example, if I google "best doctor near me", and then go to all of the top 10 and present the same symptoms, how often will the recommendations given be the same? Or "Best furniture restorer" - how many will advise the same treatment to preserve my old wooden table? If we had some objective measure of the differences between expert opinions, we could perhaps start to use maths and statistics to make consensus models of all the experts in a field.
- HPsquared 3y agoThe problem there is that "most common opinion" is not necessarily the correct one, especially for a difficult problem.
- londons_explore 3y agoTrue - but thats exactly why we want to be able to model it to find those rare but right experts for a given problem.
- prepend 3y agoSeems consistent with google results today. They never match with actual best results, it’s usually just harder to notice.
- hexis 3y agoI just googled GitHub and the top results were ads for circleci and gitlab. Buying ads for competitors keywords is extremely normal. Gitlab would love to dissuade me from using GitHub, just as a crisis pregnancy center would love to dissuade me from getting an abortion.
- mablopoule 3y agoAs an another example, searching for the "Lenovo Smart Paper" gives me as a sponsored link his concurrent, the Remarkable.
- afavour 3y agoIn what way are these situations comparable? If you google GitHub you’re probably looking for source control. GitLab offers source control. If you google “abortion providers” you’re looking to get an abortion. The ads you see are specifically for people who want to look like abortion providers but actually seek to stop you from getting one and don’t provide any abortion services at all. It’s like googling GitHub and the top result being a religious group that considers source control to be an abomination, disguising themselves until you’ve paid for an account when they can inundate you with propaganda.
- potatototoo99 3y agoLike searching for how to commit suicide and the top results being about dissuading you from it?
- fkyoureadthedoc 3y agoThe analogy would work if suicide was legal and desirable and there were reputable suicide services a la Futurama.
- rad_gruchalski 3y agoThere are 20 countries in the world where suicide is considered illegal, which is a weird concept on its own. Here’s the map: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation. Now, if we talked about assisted suicide…
- calvinmorrison 3y ago> Marijuana Illegal, straight to jail, and morally bad > Assisted Marijuana Totally legal and morally good
- bell-cot 3y agoMaybe NPR is well-intended here...but stuff like "calling on legislators to ban misleading advertising" is about as realistic as calling on Donald Trump to endorse Bernie Sanders. Google's obvious for-profit strategy is to talk up their half-hearted Whack-a-Mole efforts, while raking in the ad revenue. Giving the story a second skim... There's plenty of talk about the difficulties of getting accurate information and an actual abortion. Plenty of links to edgy pro-life material. But zero mention of any other search engine, which might give less-skewed results to a woman facing a difficult choice. And near-zero mention of web sites where such a woman might directly turn for accurate information. Conclusion: NPR is anti-choice, but trying to hide that fact. /s?
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- showdeddd 3y agoDoes the field of AI safety apply here? Here is a legitimate case of people using artificial intelligence to facilitate murder... and people are mad it didn't comply?
- shp0ngle 3y agoFrom my point of view, as someone who is pro life, it’s fine; it’s like showing anti-suicide line when you look for “how to kill myself” Sure the person wants to kill himself but should he.
- rajamaka 3y agoDo you think abortion clinics should be advertised when people search "churches near me"?
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- Freak_NL 3y agoLocal humanist support groups or recommended atheist reading perhaps. Maybe a link to neutral questionnaire where you can figure how many (if any) and which gods would be suitable for you, before committing to any specific religion. There's probably some elder god more in line with your ethics you overlooked after all.
- Timon3 3y agoThen it would only be fair if abortion clinics show up on any searches for pediatricians, anything related to birth preparation, schools and the like.
- swexbe 3y agoFalse equivalence. Killing something and trying to stop someone from killing something is not the same.
- Goronmon 3y agoFalse equivalence. It's not false equivalence just because you don't like what the comparison says about your stance on an issue. Pro-life stances are mainly about virtue-signaling anyways.
- beepbooptheory 3y agoWhat services does an "anti-abortion clinic" even offer? Sounds a little oxymoronic to me.
- MSFT_Edging 3y agoThey string you along until its too late to get an abortion, with promises of support, then drop you once the baby exists into a vacuum of support.
- taejo 3y agoFear, uncertainty, doubt and delay.
- gowustlbears 3y agoThey lie to vulnerable women about imagined dangers of the procedure like infertility and cancer to trick them into keeping the pregnancy.
- bee_rider 3y agoI guess they could try to convince the woman not to have an abortion, provide vitamins and adoption help? The customer is ready to abort, so presumably less likely than average to be ready for parenthood, so you can think of plenty of resources to give them (fwiw, I’m not defending the idea of anti-abortion clinics, the concept of which I find pretty odious, but just saying it is easy to imagine the sorts of services they ought to supply).
- 1123581321 3y agoIt’s basically volunteer counseling for expectant mothers who are in trouble. They usually provide a free ultrasound, parenting education, and help finding community resources for financial issues and for adoption. They are anti-abortion because they will not refer to an abortion clinic. Since Roe was repealed, red states are driving abortion clinics out of business and blue states are driving these centers out of business.
- abnry 3y ago.
- mellosouls 3y agoAs a counter, abortion seems to show up more strongly when searching for anti-abortion. That may be appropriate - and its fine to point out possible bias but I think the article is perhaps not really researching this in an impartial way.
- taejo 3y agoNobody's ever in urgent need of an anti-abortion.
- Connor_Creegan1 3y ago[dead]
- TheFreim 3y ago> facilities that use various tactics to dissuade or delay pregnant people from getting an abortion. These "tactics" include the heinous acts of providing emotional support, helping give mother's in need access to local resources, providing food and clothing, and more despicable alternatives to the ending of a child's life.
- john009 3y ago[dead]
- exabrial 3y agoAs well as free education and resources, jobs, safety from abusers and access to lawyers if necessary.
- TheFreim 3y agoAttacks on pregnancy centers are part of the reason I sometimes refer to "pro-choice" as pro-abortion. When offering alternatives to abortion get demonized you have to wonder what this is all really about.
- Goronmon 3y agoWhen offering alternatives to abortion get demonized you have to wonder what this is all really about. And abortion is never demonized by the anti-abortion groups? Absurd.
- TheFreim 3y agoI never said that "abortion is never demonized." Abortion is rightly attacked by "anti-abortion groups". There is a lack of symmetry: the usual pro-abortion marketing is that they're "pro-choice" but then they attack services that are dedicated to providing resources for one of those choices.
- Goronmon 3y ago
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- xela79 3y agothis has been an ongoing issue more than 10 years, with no end in sight
- beardyw 3y agoJust tried it here in the UK. I got three clinics which are sponsored but seem to have an authoritative "provides abortions" against them, then the NHS, then Wikipedia.
- krapp 3y agoI feel like the bigger issue here is that just having this in your search history can get you arrested in several states now, and how OK everyone seems to be with that. Americans were more outraged at losing the ability to dine out for two years under COVID than they were with losing an inalienable right forever.
- notacoward 3y agoSome people seem more concerned about this than the fact that Googling "abortion clinic near me" will also ensure that your identifying info gets onto certain lists where you probably don't want it to be in today's political climate.