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They've killed off almost 300. They have ~100 left. https://about.google/intl/ALL_us/products/ https://about.google/intl/ALL_us/products/ What do you think w
by pcurve 3y ago
They've killed off almost 300.
They have ~100 left.
https://about.google/intl/ALL_us/products/ https://about.google/intl/ALL_us/products/
What do you think will go next?
I'm sure some of these will bite the bullet this year.
1. Exposure Notifications (maybe in 2-3 years)
2. Google Arts and Culture <- this one has to be expensive to maintain
3. Keep
4. Scholar
5. Tilt Brush
6. Google Lens
7. Google Groups
8. Google Drawings
- DeathArrow 3y ago> They have ~100 left. Yet.
- dingusdew 3y agoExposure Notifications is probably already dead. It's dead in Washington state, which is also where it was originally developed alongside Google. If it's not being used in the state that it was developed in initially, it's doubtfully being used nationwide. Perhaps other parts of the world still use it, but the US no longer gives a rats ass.
- mschuster91 3y ago> Perhaps other parts of the world still use it, but the US no longer gives a rats ass. Agreed, but it's sensible to keep it as an asset should another pandemic arise - and we have quite a number of potential pathogens, from an evasive COVID mutation over a ton of bat-related viruses and currently-frozen Russian permafrost archives to bird flu.
- fomine3 3y agoExposure Notifications was a great try by Google and Apple. If it weren't a thing, most big government would develop more privacy invasive contact tracing app. It seems that it wasn't worked well, but still a great try.
- hnbad 3y agoThe German "Corona Warn App" (CWA) is pretty good from a privacy POV. It works along the same lines as the Google/Apple ones I think (trading tokens over Bluetooth, then publishing a list of "infected" tokens when you submit a positive test result, risk severity being based on how many tokens you match, i.e. how long you were in the same space). The difference is that it isn't tied to any American corporation. Of course we also had another app called Luca, which tried to do a lot more direct contact tracing and turned out to be extremely insecure and leak user data, so there's that. And of course there were some plausible corruption allegations relating to its public funding.
- rpadovani 3y agoCWA was using the Exposure Notifications from Apple and Google[0]. Exposure Notifications is not an app, but a framework and a protocol, and CWA was an implementation of it, hooking in the features developed by Apple and Google for iOs and Android [0]: https://github.com/corona-warn-app/cwa-documentation/blob/main/solution_architecture.md#mobile-applications https://github.com/corona-warn-app/cwa-documentation/blob/ma...
- hnbad 3y agoAh, I was under the impression Google and Apple had created their own separate apps and these third-party apps merely worked on the same principle. It's interesting that the document you linked indicates the interoperability between different countries' apps was down to an EU-wide standard. I guess this meant the apps of different EU countries were compatible but only with each other.
- hfkwer 3y agoI trust my government much more than I trust Google and Apple not to invade my privacy.
- ljlolel 3y agoThey’re all 100% so is there any difference?
- hgsgm 3y agoParent was referring to the major world powers (US, Western Europe, China), who all run massive illegal spying operations and share data with allies.
- sneak 3y agoGoogle and Apple don't run prisons, and don't employ (that many) dudes with machine guns.
- 015a 3y agoI don't think Keep will go away; its one of only 14 of Google's products that they classify as "Workspace/Enterprise"; alongside Gmail, Meet, Chat, Calendar, Drive, Docs, Sheets, Slides, Forms, Sites, AppsScript, CloudSearch, and Jamboard.
- callalex 3y agoTell that to Hangouts
- mavhc 3y agoHangouts migrated to Chat, is that bad?
- shawabawa3 3y agoWhat's chat? Not gchat surely? Didn't hangouts migrate to meet?
- forgotmysn 3y agoI believe so. and while it's not significantly worse, it is worse. thumbnails don't populate as consistently, the menu has me full screening a chat sometimes, it's just not as nice.
- swyx 3y agothis chat thread is a perfect Google Chats meme
- ororroro 3y agoTogether Chat and Meet are the replacement for Hangouts. Meet is also the replacement for Duo.
- donny2018 3y agoAllo entered the chat.
- jsnell 3y agoThe entry requirements for those two lists are not the same, so you can't meaningfully compare the number of items on them. Killed by Google will add pretty much anything to the list. It doesn't need to be a product. It doesn't really need to be by Google. And it doesn't even need to be killed.
- mcqueenjordan 3y agoI'm sure there are major methodological issues with what gets added to that list (I myself have seen some very questionable includes), but ultimately it's a trivial objection -- the overarching theme is very clear -- you cannot trust these products and services to exist for more than a year or two. Also it's a sidebar, but astroturfing by company employees who stand to benefit from increased stock prices on comment boards such as this seems problematic.
- ssnistfajen 3y agoIf they kill Keep, that will be the catalyst for me to ideologically de-Google my online life. My previous Google-induced losses were largely replacable but Keep is absolutely the final straw.
- dreamer7 3y agoI already migrated from Keep just for this reason. It's ok to make temporary notes there but for long lasting organisation I prefer a different solution
- SSLy 3y agoWhat did you pick?
- BrandoElFollito 3y agoI moved to Logseq (https://logseq.com/ https://logseq.com/). It also better follows my note taking habits. It is usually a single sentence I want to be timestamped and searchable (which is also why I wrote https://github.com/wsw70/dly https://github.com/wsw70/dly to simplify the quick note taking)
- nytesky 3y agoDifferent poster here, but I focus on a file based notes system (mine is on iCloud but any DropBox, Drive, etc would work fine), right no Obsidian and Ai Writer share a folder of my “notes” in an iCloud folder. Keep is good for grocery lists and ephemeral data, but too easy to delete a note and no way to backup — well maybe takeout works for backup.
- abawany 3y agoSame here - after Keep clobbered a meticulous but long note, I imported everything to markdown files that are synced between my devices.
- ptman 3y ago
- saagarjha 3y agoExposure Notifications was designed to be deprecated, though? It was a pandemic thing.
- hnbad 3y agoThe pandemic is ongoing, we've just started calling the disease "endemic" but that doesn't make it less dangerous. We have however wound down most of the protective measures. Germany has retired the official bluetooth contact tracing app earlier this year. I wouldn't be surprised if Google retires theirs this year or the next.
- saagarjha 3y agoI mean I agree but they're just following whatever everyone else is doing, unfortunately.
- robertlagrant 3y ago> The pandemic is ongoing, we've just started calling the disease "endemic" but that doesn't make it less dangerous It's just as dangerous (well, it's probably not, due to less lethal variants winning over more lethal ones), but that measure is not what makes it no longer a pandemic.
- iudqnolq 3y agoEndemic diseases are defined as diseases with relatively stable case numbers confined to a localized area. This obviously doesn't apply: COVID is not confined to a localized area. Per the WHO[1] and the CDC[2] COVID is still a pandemic. [1]: https://www.who.int/news/item/30-01-2023-statement-on-the-fourteenth-meeting-of-the-international-health-regulations-(2005)-emergency-committee-regarding-the-coronavirus-disease-(covid-19)-pandemic https://www.who.int/news/item/30-01-2023-statement-on-the-fo... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/end-of-phe.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/end-of...
- lima 3y ago> Germany has retired the official bluetooth contact tracing app earlier this year. I wouldn't be surprised if Google retires theirs this year or the next. Google does not have their own app. Exposure Notifications is the cross-vendor low-level API which apps like Germany's is (...was) using.
- ralfd 3y agoI didn't know Tilt Brush was from Google. From 2016 and It certainly feels like the older more whimsical Google.
- andybak 3y agoWasn’t developed in-house. Open sourced 3 years ago. https://openbrush.app https://openbrush.app
- vineyardmike 3y agoGoogle extensively uses groups internally for all sorts of things... not sure they could realistically kill it and still function.
- b112 3y agoGoogle once tried to setup a 'smart' community in Toronto, including wanting control over police and laws and all sorts of other absurd blather. Can you imagine living in such a community? I can't believe people rely upon gmail for anything. Integrate anything. When I see a business using gmail for a backend, I question their entire business model, because I question their judgement.
- wdb 3y agoThey tried a Disney Reedy Creek on Toronto?
- galactus 3y agoLive+
- doctor_eval 3y agoWow, you just explained the unpleasant tingly feeling I get when people talk about using Google for infra. I now understand that it's my judgement-radar pinging. I happen to feel the same way about companies that use JIRA... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- willsmith72 3y agoWhat do you mean "gmail for a backend"?
- rootw0rm 3y agoGoogle Workspace. update your MX records and use Gmail on your domain. I do it for my hobby stuff.
- slavik81 3y agoTilt Brush has been dead for over two years. > The open source archive of the Tilt Brush code can be found at: https://github.com/googlevr/tilt-brush https://github.com/googlevr/tilt-brush. Please note that it is not an actively developed product, and no pull requests will be accepted. https://opensource.googleblog.com/2021/01/the-future-of-tilt-brush.html https://opensource.googleblog.com/2021/01/the-future-of-tilt...
- seritools 3y agohttps://openbrush.app/ https://openbrush.app/ for the open derivative of it
- abhayhegde 3y agoI hope Keep, Scholar, and Google Lens don't go away! I use them extensively, especially, the Google scholar page.
- yunohn 3y agoTo be fair, 100 globally scaled products is quite a lot. They try to churn out a lot stuff, and if they don’t achieve enough adoption, they cancel it. It’s a reasonable business decision.
- kevin_thibedeau 3y agoDomains generates guaranteed recurring revenue unlike most of their business ventures. If it's unprofitable they can raise rates or cut costs. This is typical MBA myopia where steady revenue with low growth potential isn't good enough and they'd rather destroy confidence just to brag on their resume about how they saved Google millions.
- damnesian 3y agoAcademic here- Scholar is used quite a bit, but they are competing with some big players, some that offer a lot of full-text Google doesn't. It can be useful to get your research started, but I don't know anyone who has used Scholar from start to finish for a piece of scholarship. So you're probably right on the money. I'll be inconvenienced if I lose Keep- it's very handy and I use it extensively on a daily basis. But there are plenty of competitors in that market space- some excellent ones are open source.
- offices 3y ago>Lens Other way around: they're pushing Lens over reverse image search now.
- Golden_Wind123 3y agoGoogle Lens is a godsend traveling. It works much faster than the Google Translate app for translating text and it also helps identify any plants or landmarks that catch the eye. I hope that technology never gets killed.
- pcurve 3y agoGiven that it also helps identify skin conditions, I hope you're right. https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/15/23761905/google-lens-skin-conditions-rash-identification https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/15/23761905/google-lens-skin... I was thinking more in terms of why it needs to exist as a separate app.
- volongoto 3y agoI wonder if there are people out there playing Google Graveyard Bingo.
- sagarkamat 3y agoInteresting that this page does not list Blogger. Confirmed deathwatch then?