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>could be the vision of the future of computing, but like, it’s not the one that I want. We'll have to wait and see with Vision Pro, but it's already pretty cl
by tjpnz 3y ago
>could be the vision of the future of computing, but like, it’s not the one that I want.
We'll have to wait and see with Vision Pro, but it's already pretty clear that Zuckerberg's vision is not one that anyone wants.
- UnpossibleJim 3y agoHe needed to look at hardware platforms of the past. If you can't get people to develop for a system and make good apps, then the hardware is useless.
- kcplate 3y agoAs weird as I find the cartoony Metaverse and would never ever use it, I think it has a greater likelihood of adoption over that uncanny valley looking FaceTime avatar thing. Campy over creepy.
- zmmmmm 3y ago20M people bought Quests. More than x-box in the same period. I find this writing off of their sales achievements as really superficial. Whatever else you want to say, they shifted units and the people buying them wanted something he was selling.
- tjpnz 3y agoThey're using it for games, but not Horizon Worlds which is arguably the vision.
- seydor 3y agoThat should be taken as a hint that people don't want VR video conferencing which is the target use for Apple's headset. TBH i don't want an avatar face, real faces in a simple Zoom call are more expressive.
- zer00eyz 3y agoI have a vision, external cameras on, on a cal with you where we are looking at hardware. "Hey Seydor, tab A isn't going into slot B here..." You being able to watch, is gonna be great. You can tell me I'm a moron or that the parts don't work or some combination. Apple probably has enough of an internal use case with product design, development and production being as long, desperate and demanding.
- nailer 3y agoWhile VR video conferencing was shown off I don’t think VR video conferencing was the target use.
- spiderice 3y ago> which is the target use for Apple's headset Just because it can do VR video conferencing doesn't mean it is THE target use case. Reducing something as complex as Apple's headset to one of its features is disingenuous. That's like claiming the target use case of iPhone is playing Candy Crush.
- elefanten 3y agoThe open secret is that the units they’ve sold get very little use. The typical user plays around with it for a few weeks and then it sits on the shelf.
- zmmmmm 3y agoyep .... and Apple has the same problem The fundamental question is what are they really useful for after the novelty wears off. It's not clear to me that Apple has done anything to change that fundamental issue.
- robbiep 3y agoWell - frankly no one has any idea about apple’s, because no one is using it. All anyone can have on Apple’s is an opinion. With Meta’s there’s evidence. Maybe it will meet the same fate. You’ve got probably the same idea as me
- NBJack 3y agoThere are some folks that got early access to the device for reviw. At least one certainly made it clear there's not much going on with it. Maybe they are trying to keep their killer app under wraps? That floating keyboard certainly isn't it.
- akmarinov 3y agoIt isn’t even out, they’ve been working with an alpha version with no appstore. Let’s see what developers come up with first.
- nailer 3y agoApple device mainly seems to be for productivity. Meta’s mainly seems to be playing VR games. If the vision pro is good for productivity, people will leave it on at work.
- bushbaba 3y agoPeople said the same about the first iPhone. Give it time. They shipped basically the foundation. The house has yet to be built.
- balls187 3y agoYes, mostly when it was Oculus and not Meta.
- dumpster_fire 3y agoHow many of those sold still get any use? I gave mine away after a month after the initial wonder wore off. My friend has like 3 separate models, and he's never played anything beyond Beat Saber. The headsets just collect dust now. But I do appreciate VR evangelists, without whom the technology wouldn't progress at all. Despite being a gimmick for now, I have to concede it's pretty cool tech.
- seanmcdirmid 3y agoI’m much more interested in the Quest 3 than the Vision Pro. At least Zuck’s vision includes BeatSaber.
- supermatt 3y agoIs beatsaber a meta exclusive? I appreciate lack of motion controllers announced, but that doesn't mean there wont be any, and maybe hand controls are enough for beatsaber?
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- seanmcdirmid 3y agoMeta bought the company that makes BeatSaber so I assume it is at this point. But without controllers and haptic feedback it wouldn’t be very fun anyways.
- mrbungie 3y agoAssuming Vision Pro has powerful sensors and computer platform, controllers could be dumber and then easier to make (and eventually part of a bigger ecosystem that may extend the Vision Pro with 3rd party hardware).
- teolandon 3y agoIt's not a meta exclusive. Not sure why there's so many comments assuming that it is, it's one google search away.
- mynameisvlad 3y agoYeah, it’s pretty clear that it’s available on all major VR platforms including PlayStation. They made it clear when they bought it that it will not become exclusive. > Beat Games will continue to ship content and updates for Beat Saber across all currently supported platforms, now with even more support from Facebook. https://www.meta.com/blog/quest/welcoming-beat-games-to-facebook/ https://www.meta.com/blog/quest/welcoming-beat-games-to-face... I guess it’s easier to just guess and hope you’re right but it literally took seconds to find.
- xwdv 3y agoNo one wants the Vision Pro. All the progress of mankind has culminated to this one point in time where we can create entirely new realities before our eyes in stunning fidelity. And what do we use this technology for? Going to work. Talking to people about work. Sitting in the dark watching pictures and videos by yourself.
- antigirl 3y agoa lot of people want vision pro as a monitor free solution. Or even a secondary monitor
- kumarvvr 3y agoAny technology can be used for work as well as other stuff. AVR is basically a extension of our monitors on our faces. You can do any real world physical work with that thing on. It is an excellent choice for remote control and monitoring of systems though. I see it will be primarily used as a consumption device for movies and games. VR gets tiring after a while, and the effects on eyesight degradation are not fully known.
- nailer 3y agoCreativity takes work. As someone who makes things I want the vision pro.
- spiderice 3y agoI _really_ want the Vision Pro. It has an app store. People will make apps for it. Just because Apple's promo had people using the headset for work doesn't mean it is at all limited to that.
- audunw 3y agoThis is not much more different than the first iPhone focusing on what people were already doing daily with their phones and computers: taking phone calls, SMS, e-mail, browsing the web. But now there are hundreds of different other uses, many of which are considered more important than the original ones they focused on. Getting people to buy a device to do something entirely new (physical games, metaverse, ...) is much harder than getting people to buy a device that does something they're already doing, but better. That's just a fact of life: people like sitting by themselves in the dark watching movies and TV. They will in the future too. If the Apple Vision Pro is as good or better than a huge TV and surround sound stereo, then for people with smaller apartments it could actually be a good deal. Many people could get by with just an iPhone and the Apple Vision Pro as their only devices (The Vision Pro probably needs a couple of iterations to be good and comfortable enough, but it seems pretty close already) I'm sure there will be plenty of games and social apps on the app store in the near future. I'm sure it'll get support for third party controllers for such games. But Apple is not focusing on that, just as controller support in iOS and Apple TV isn't a huge focus point for them in the marketing.
- baby 3y agoI'm definitely siding with Zuck on this one. I've been waiting for the Quest 3 to get out to buy it, and I'm not really interested in that Apple headset. For anyone interested, Lex just released a podcast episode with him.
- dotnet00 3y agoI half agree with Zucc here, the Quest isn't my vision for the future of computing, but Apple's dystopian ecosystem is even further from my vision of the future.
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