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Really a shame, especially for torrent users. The other good alternatives are double the monthly price at 10$/month in the case of IVPN (if you want port forwar
by gioo 3y ago
Really a shame, especially for torrent users. The other good alternatives are double the monthly price at 10$/month in the case of IVPN (if you want port forwarding that is) and ProtonVPN. Unless you want to commit for a year or two and pay all in advance, which is meh but the discount may be worth it.
- anaganisk 3y agoWhy would this affect torrenting, isn't this only for explicitly added port forwards? Or am I missing something?
- switch007 3y agoTorrenting requires an open port accessible from peers for good speeds
- armada651 3y agoIt wouldn't be very helpful in preventing abuse if you could still forward ports through UPnP.
- reisse 3y agoFor torrenting at least one of the peers has to be accessible for outside world, either by having white IP, by using NAT with port forwarding, or by using IPv6-to-IPv4 shenanigans. If both peers are behind NAT, they cannot download data from each other. If you're an active seeder, it makes sense to configure your machine so that it is accessible for all the peers, including ones behind NAT. If you're just a leecher though, it makes little difference.
- SparkyMcUnicorn 3y agoIt will affect leeching torrents that don't have a ton of seeders. No forwarding could render a torrent unusable that would otherwise download just fine if you had an open port.
- toxik 3y agoMy experience resonates with this, if you have a torrent that isn't coming home, make sure you're actually reachable.
- colinsane 3y agois this an issue only for magnet/DHT transfers? or does it apply to torrents that have an associated tracker too? i would have expected in the latter case that two NAT’d clients could connect to the tracker, and then the tracker could help them hole-punch a direct peer-to-peer connection.
- the8472 3y agoTry to extrapolate. If nobody has an open port to which a connection can be established, how will the network work? Trackers don't enable hole-punching, existing peer connections do[0]. And hole-punching is hardly a reliable measure to base your network on, if NAT or connection-tracking is implemented in an address-/port-dependent manner[1] then hole-punching becomes more complicated or fails, especially for TCP. [0] http://bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0055.html http://bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0055.html [1] https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4787.html#page-6 https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4787.html#page-6
- reisse 3y agoIt does apply to all torrents. As far as I know, by default torrent trackers provide no facilities for hole punching. However, if you have a tracker in a sense of "community of people dedicated to file sharing", there will be guides on how to do a proper setup even behind carrier-grade NAT. For example, one of the trackers I know suggested using Teredo (IPv6-to-IPv4) tunneling to do the hole punching.
- anacrolix 3y agoTrackers aren't used for this, but a mutually accessible peer can be used for hole punching.
- anacrolix 3y agoThis isn't completely correct. At least one peer in the entire swarm needs to be accessible. Holepunching (BEP 55) can assist in the rest (albeit it's not ideal).
- WeylandYutani 3y agoIt would be better to look into a dedicated seedbox for torrents. The companies offering those have experience dealing with copyright cartels.
- that_guy_iain 3y agoI wouldn't even go all the way to a dedicated seedbox. I'm using a shared one, gets the job done and only costs $12 a month.
- sph 3y agoStill more expensive than the 5 euro/month I was spending for Mullvad
- byyll 3y agoMullvad isn't stopping port forwarding because of copyright issues. It's because you can use their IPs to host highly illegal websites and they can't connect your account to the content and suspend it.
- colinsane 3y agocan you elaborate? how could someone outside Mullvad claim that Mullvad is passing illegal traffic, but Mullvad itself can’t figure out who in their network is passing that traffic?
- djbusby 3y agoMullvad has known exit IP addresses. Mullvad doesn't have shit for logging so they cannot link clients to traffic.
- that_guy_iain 3y agoWhy not use a seedbox? Download torrent to the seedbox and then ftp home. This way you get the upload from a server which if you're on a private tracker (which you should be) you'll get good upload speeds, easy to hit the default seed requirements, and you'll get full download speed when you want to use it locally.
- nocoiner 3y agoI recognize this is probably similar to asking about how to get into fight club, but any tips on how to find a private tracker? I assume it involves becoming part of a community, but I don’t even know where to start looking for the communities!
- that_guy_iain 3y agoBeen so long since I've even been in the community that I don't know any of the smaller forums but check out https://filesharingtalk.com/content/ https://filesharingtalk.com/content/. Get known for being active and if there is still an IRC pop by there. The key once you're past the standard ones like TL, is to not be that hungry for invites, the less hungry you are the more places you get to. Maybe check out https://thepiratesociety.org/ https://thepiratesociety.org/ which used to be a solid community 10 years ago but I dunno how it is nowadays. Or you can just buy one. https://www.ebay.com/itm/143939358334 https://www.ebay.com/itm/143939358334 for example is $2 and is the private (semi public - all the benefits of private but easy to get). It's the one I use. Buying invites can lead to getting banned but if you're just chilling out on TL then you'll be fine. A tip for private trackers. Only download new things and freeleech until you build up a buffer (You've uploaded more than you've downloaded)
- gioo 3y agoBuying an invite for TL is not a smart idea, they have regular open signups. You put all your accounts at risk for little gain.
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- tomjen3 3y agoI am pretty sure you can get a deal with NordVPN. Just search youtube for someone you follow Nordvpn and sponsor.
- stefandesu 3y agoNordVPN doesn't offer port forwarding. https://support.nordvpn.com/FAQ/1047408432/Do-you-offer-port-forwarding.htm https://support.nordvpn.com/FAQ/1047408432/Do-you-offer-port...
- byyll 3y agoCan't have a place on the internet without some Nord shilling.
- MikusR 3y agoPia has port forwarding and is half the price of mullvad
- serf 3y agoMany Mullvad customers migrated from there to Mullvad in the first place after Kape Tech bought them. Kape Tech , at the time, had a less than stellar reputation. I haven't followed it much since that time.
- commoner 3y agoPrivate Internet Access stopped releasing source code for recent versions of its clients. Details: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35642700 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35642700 These days, free and open source software clients are table stakes for a VPN to be considered trustworthy. The fact that PIA silently stopped releasing source code after previously promising to do so is a major red flag.
- SparkyMcUnicorn 3y agoYou don't need to use their client. Just grab a config and use an OpenVPN or WireGuard client instead. PIA official repo: https://github.com/pia-foss/manual-connections https://github.com/pia-foss/manual-connections https://helpdesk.privateinternetaccess.com/guides/linux/linux-installing-openvpn-through-the-terminal https://helpdesk.privateinternetaccess.com/guides/linux/linu...
- rogers18445 3y agoFor torrenting, port forwarding is only marginally important - for torrents which have very few peers and you can connect to none of them. It's also risky because mullvad certainly has records of forwarded ports and can out you if they receive a properly worded subpoena. There is also a chance those records would be present in their backups even after you deleted the forwarded ports. I have a separate command for port forwarded torrent client and only use it when absolutely necessary, which is almost never.
- kortilla 3y agoIf you’re concerned about records, port forwarding isn’t that relevant. Lookup nat binding records, which is how ISPs keep track of users behind nat.
- rogers18445 3y agoHow is that relevant here? mullvad has to keep track of who to forward the port to, any NAT ports are going to be ephemeral and conducted through an encrypted tunnel.
- kortilla 3y agoWhether a port is forwarded or allocated on demand for a connection is irrelevant when you have a nat binding record keeping infrastructure.
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