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Intel One Mono Typeface
- ggm 3y agoI tried it, and I didn't see enough advantage over other monospaced fonts routinely available to me on a Mac. It was quite line-width dense, almost like boldening (but not: I checked and the boldface was quite distinct) which I like: some people go for thin lines and they look great but they don't always aide comprehension.
- alexeiz 3y ago> Introducing Intel One Mono, an expressive monospaced font family that’s built with clarity, legibility, and the needs of developers in mind. This font has the worst clarity and legibility I've ever experienced. If you try to read code using this font, you'll break your eyes. You have to make a conscious effort to read every word. It gets tiresome really quickly.
- Bigpet 3y agoWhy is it combining back-tick with the previous letter in a ligature with almost all letters? Into a single character wide element it seems. So looking at a Markdown file with "a`" will print it as "à" always even with letters like "t" or "Y". Edit: issue seems to be disussed here: https://github.com/intel/intel-one-mono/issues/3 https://github.com/intel/intel-one-mono/issues/3
- bushbaba 3y agoAwesome, seems to be a great improvement.
- silisili 3y agoI actually really like it, but that lower case k and l just look really out of place for some reason.
- Turing_Machine 3y agoA small curve on the bottom right arm of the k and the top of the l (rather than the straight line) would help a lot, I think. The {} look visually jarring to me. I don't know that I'd want to look at those all day long.
- silisili 3y agoOuch, I didn't even notice those at first. Those are visibly jarring, and don't seem in line with the rest of the 'look.'
- reassembled 3y agoIBM released a typeface a couple of years ago with much marketing fan fare: https://www.ibm.com/plex/ https://www.ibm.com/plex/ https://github.com/IBM/plex https://github.com/IBM/plex On another note, are there any notable examples of AI-generated mono-spaced programmer fonts?
- doodlesdev 3y agoI think I just found my new favorite font. I'm absolutely addicted to grotesque sans-serif, I used to use Roboto everywhere, but now I'm currently using Cantarell (GNOME's default font, a humanist typeface) as my desktop font and as an overwrite font for every single website I open, but I might just start using Plex Sans and Plex Mono now. Thank god it's OFL. I still find it fascinating that there are so many different typefaces with such subtle differences in them, but since I'm looking at characters in the screen the entire day, these characters better be beautiful and pleasing. I'm not gonna lie, every time I swap fonts on my desktop I keep remembering that one scene from American Psycho [0]. Maybe I should touch some grass. [0]: https://youtu.be/cISYzA36-ZY https://youtu.be/cISYzA36-ZY
- jareklupinski 3y agobrb setting my editor font to "Silian Rail"
- wpm 3y agoImpressive. Very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's font.
- helmholtz 3y agoYou'll love Linus Boman's take on it then [1] If you love neo-grotesques, you can't do much better than Neue Haas Grotesk or Atlas Grotesk [2]. Both are by CommercialType, both cost a pretty penny, but both are absolutely amazing. I fully agree with you about wanting beautiful and pleasing characters though. It's my gift to myself for being paperfree. If I'm going to read on screen instead of printed, I want the best possible experience. 32" 4K display, professional fonts, nice software for writing in etc. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKc54z5SsEs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKc54z5SsEs [2]: https://commercialtype.com/catalog/atlas/atlas_grotesk https://commercialtype.com/catalog/atlas/atlas_grotesk
- jamies 3y agoLooks like Frere-Jones collaborated on this. They have a ton of experience with readability and typefaces. Excited to try this out!
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- derefr 3y agoThe proportions of this font seem really surprising to me — I don’t know why, but monospace letterforms are rarely so “square”. It really puts me in mind of old 5x5 and 5x7 bitmap fonts, where the resolution constraint meant that you had no choice but to “squash” your ascenders and descenders, moving your baseline toward the middle of the glyph for glyphs with sticky-outy bits.
- smcleod 3y agoIMO IBM Plex is nicer - that's been my go-to monospace font since it was released.
- userbinator 3y agoAll the other letters are nothing out of the ordinary, but the { } look really odd.
- hypertexthero 3y agoThose caught my eye and I think I like them.
- eyelidlessness 3y agoThat’s about the only thing I find immediately appealing. I wish more mono fonts made the various brackets this strikingly different. They don’t need to look good necessarily, just distinct.
- chrsjxn 3y agoThe semicolon and all the brackets look to have a lot more emphasis than they do in many common monospace fonts, which makes a lot of sense if you're designing your font for developers. Same with the 1Il distinction they show off in their graphic, or O0. It's unusual, but I'd bet it feels nice to work with after getting used to it.
- bar000n 3y agothey will cause addiction. going back to the boring curlies after this one would be hard, i guess
- fwlr 3y agoVery glad to see more “low x height” monospace fonts (x height is the height of lowercase letters relative to capital letters; I haven’t checked to be sure but my eyes tell me this is on the lower side). Source Code Pro has been my go-to for a very long time, and it has always bothered me that Apple opted for higher x-heights in their San Francisco re-design of Helvetica (which already has a high x height to begin with). It’s interesting that they had high-powered readability consultation and a lot of real-world tests with visually impaired developers and still ended up with low x heights. I had heard higher x heights were preferred for readability.
- sitkack 3y agoWhat do you think of https://dtinth.github.io/comic-mono-font/ https://dtinth.github.io/comic-mono-font/
- fwlr 3y agoI like it a lot! Definitely in the camp of “comic sans is over-hated for poor reasons, and might even have legibility benefits for dyslexia”, and I considered a few comic sans inspired monospaced fonts before settling on Source Code Pro. The leaders were Fantasque (https://github.com/belluzj/fantasque-sans/ https://github.com/belluzj/fantasque-sans/) and Comic Code (https://tosche.net/fonts/comic-code https://tosche.net/fonts/comic-code). (Comic Code’s creator actually links to the font you linked, Comic Mono, as an example of a free font with the same spirit!) Ultimately I found that anything descended from or inspired by comic sans ended up a little too busy for my eyes.
- sitkack 3y agoI appreciate how Comic Sans was used by educators to find something that helped people with dyslexia, while also breaking down the serious barrier. SPJ[1] from Haskell would use Comic Sans in his slides, which seems oddly humorous to me. Below are fonts are designed to minimize the effects of dyslexia. https://www.dyslexiefont.com/ https://www.dyslexiefont.com/ https://opendyslexic.org/ https://opendyslexic.org/ https://www.k-type.com/fonts/lexie-readable/ https://www.k-type.com/fonts/lexie-readable/ [1] https://www.cis.upenn.edu/~sweirich/icfp-plmw15/slides/peyton-jones.pdf https://www.cis.upenn.edu/~sweirich/icfp-plmw15/slides/peyto...
- bigmattystyles 3y agoWhy do hardware companies release fonts? It’s not snark, I am legitimately curious. Is it marketing, branding, something else?
- bee_rider 3y agoDo they in general? Intel produces and awful lot of software; they clearly are hardware-first, not hardware only.
- slater 3y agoOwnership - they don't want to pay font licensing fees forever.
- cratermoon 3y agoMany kinds of hardware have a display of some kind. Microwave ovens, home entertainment, lab equipment, printers, oscilloscope, circuit testers, etc. Even the ones that don't have a display may have printing on them, from part numbers and serial numbers to instructions and warnings.
- jdub 3y agoOne factor is that licensing fonts can be extremely expensive. So, make one: pay a higher upfront cost, create something unique to represent your brand, and never pay another cent.
- djvu97 3y agois anyone else thinking Jetbrains Mono is the best thing ever made for terminal and vim font??
- Sateeshm 3y agoDon't know about best, but it's pretty great. That's what I've been using for the last one year.
- doodlesdev 3y agoI avoid it like the plague because of ligatures, although I must admit other than that I enjoyed in my (admittedly short) experience with JetBrains IDEs. Have never tested them elsewhere.
- agalunar 3y agoWhy don't you just disable them? Or does your editor not give you the option?
- approxim8ion 3y agoThey offer a "JetBrains Mono NL" variant where the NL is for No-Ligatures. I use it daily on Eclipse.
- doodlesdev 3y agoI wasn't aware that you could disable them, I thought this was handled entirely by the font and not by the editor. Living and learning. Might try JetBrains Mono again without ligatures this time, after I finish my trial of IBM Plex.
- agalunar 3y agoAh, no, I phrased that in a rather callous way. I'm sorry – my apologies. If you do decide to give it a try, I hope your editor makes it easy to configure (since they really run the gamut) and that you have another typeface to enjoy!
- pabs3 3y agoHmm, why are the sources in a zip file instead of directly in the repo? Do they not intend to modify the sources to expand coverage?
- veidr 3y agoLooks very readable, but for me personally, ligatures for things like ->, =>, <=, >= and those weird JavaScriptisms like == vs === has really become table stakes for me. Didn't care about that at all until about 2020, but can't imagine using a coding font without those features today.
- SV_BubbleTime 3y agoI’m super basic regarding fonts and just look for I l 1. If you don’t absolutely nail those in fixed width then get lost. Edit: I just noticed they doubled those up at the end. Nice touch
- cratermoon 3y agoI|1l 0Oo gq S5
- pacaro 3y agoG6
- eviks 3y agoThis kind of string should be in all the basic font examples
- cratermoon 3y agoFor sure, especially for fonts geared towards programmers and technical uses where numbers and symbols matter a great deal. A person could probably figure out that he110 is "hello" but as identifiers, he110 and hello are not interchangeable.
- eviks 3y agoyeah, that's where all those huge font cataloging websites could shine (and also allow you to filter fonts based on this, eg, all zeroes should have some mark in the middle not be confused with the letter O), yet they settle on some bland pangram
- Iwan-Zotow 3y agoLigatures?
- msla 3y agoI'd prefer a font that clearly differentiates between 'ff' (the single-codepoint Unicode ligature) and 'ff' (a pair of 'f' characters).
- johnchristopher 3y agoNo, AFAICT.
- VitoVan 3y agoFrom the README: > ... legally blind developers provided feedback at each stage of design. This makes me curious.
- sp332 3y agoIt means someone with 20/200 vision or worse.
- budrickfox 3y ago“Legally blind” doesn’t mean absolutely zero vision, as I understand it - many people can still benefit from more legible type.
- TylerE 3y agoYes, the vast majority of blind people are not the stereotypical “whole world is black”. Even among the profoundly blind there is often some vague perception of light vs dark.
- riffraff 3y agoI just had the realization that "legally blonde", the comedy movie, may have been a pun on this expression, it makes much more sense now.
- ar7hur 3y agoI don't understand how a hardware company who just reported its largest quarterly loss in history with revenue down 36% year-over-year [1] is working on fonts. Or maybe this explains that. [1] https://www.intc.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1615/intel-reports-first-quarter-2023-financial-results https://www.intc.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1615/...
- ungamedplayer 3y agoCompanies compromise of multiple people. Different people can work on different projects. The design team may wish to improve the company image by releasing a font named after them that people may like, improving their public relations.
- precompute 3y agoAn improved visual identity usually leads to much better brand recognition and sales.
- mc32 3y agoWith their lake naming convention, they totally missed calling the typeface "Mono Lake" or maybe more appropriately Lake Mono, if there were other fonts to the typeface.
- cjohnson318 3y agoI don't love the aggressive curly braces. Does anyone else? I feel like the whole typeface here is consistently bland, and then there's the angry curly braces that pop out of nowhere.
- notduncansmith 3y agoThe parentheses are a bit intense as well IMO, though I appreciate the distinctness of vertical characters (ilI|1!)
- akiselev 3y agoYou guys don’t find the ampersand a little too wibbly wobbly and neurotic?
- dragonwriter 3y agoIt’s a bit unusual, but I wouldn’t say either “wibbly wobbly” or “neurotic”. On first impression, I like it: it’s clear and distinct while managing to be light and open without having a light stroke.
- nine_k 3y agoIt can't be mistaken for 8 though.
- throwawaylinux 3y agoFew can.
- cjohnson318 3y agoI didn't see that until you mentioned it. The curly braces distracted me.
- thepostman0 3y agoToo much horizontal movement, great for python fans though.
- bruce511 3y agoOne thing I really appreciate about fonts is the low-stakes nature of trying them out. Installing is easy, and doesn't take much space, you set your editor and try it out. There's no lock-in, switching back takes zero effort. So I'm always keen to give them a go, some stick, some don't. For what it's worth I'm in the no-ligature group. I want to see => not some ligature. But again that's subjective and there's room for all at the table.
- Dalewyn 3y agoTo this day I haven't seen a monospaced font superior to Courier New. And before anyone asks: No, this isn't a meme. Yes, I'm 300% serious.
- sublinear 3y agoThere's a vectorized version of Monaco with pixel-perfect hinting when anti-aliasing is disabled that I've been using for years now. I don't remember where I got it from though. It's beautifully legible at any size.
- sitkack 3y agoYou have to be trolling us. Literally the fish that got away story for fonts.
- flomo 3y agoIf you want to go fishing on this, one hole is Apple's old low-end printer line. The printer disks had expanded versions of the 'city' fonts which never shipped with the OS.
- sen 3y agoCould you share the font files? I’m curious to see it.
- alex-moon 3y agoI was trying to remember the Apple font I used to download for use with IDEs in Linux back in the day because it was by far the best for programming I'd ever seen. Monaco must have been the one.
- delta_p_delta_x 3y agoThe curly braces are rather weird. In my opinion, the pinnacle of FOSS monospace typefaces is JetBrains Mono.
- alex-moon 3y agoI stopped setting custom font for coding once I switched over to the JetBrains IDEs. It's good!
- helmholtz 3y agoIt is the best monospace font ever. I've tried a whole host of programming fonts, but nothing is hinted as well for Windows as Jetbrains Mono. It made me move off of Consolas, despite a decade of having gotten used to it.
- dataflow 3y agoI tried all of these out, still prefer Lucida Console for the command prompt. It seems to be the most compact despite staying readable. All the rest require a bigger font for some reason, otherwise they are hard to read. Was that different from your experience?
- helmholtz 3y agoFirst, the font that we are used to has an outsize impact on what we prefer. So, if neither of these 'sit right', don't worry. Digital font designers have to start out by choosing something called the em-height. This is a nonsense holdover from print days, and is especially infuriating because no one agrees on a standard em-height. Therefore, fonts look different despite being set to the same size. Here is a great rant on this: [1] Lucida Console has a large x-height, which is generally considered helpful in small-size legibility. But it has that in common with both Consolas and Jetbrains Mono. For me, I can use Consolas, Lucida Console and Jetbrains Mono all down to Size 10 in Git Bash on a shitty 13" 1080p laptop screen. Hence my comment that the ClearType hinting is glorious. [1]: https://tonsky.me/blog/font-size/ https://tonsky.me/blog/font-size/
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- johanam 3y agoI love the curly braces :{)
- blahedo 3y agoI love them and wish I'd had this font to give to my intro students—mistyping a curly for a paren is annoying enough when you're experienced, but when you're new to programming and the error messages are not yet super helpful to you and you can't quickly spot the difference between curlies and parens, it can be a really rough ride. The rest of the font looks good too! I love a good coding monospace that fully distinguishes all the characters.
- Turing_Machine 3y agoYou make an excellent point, but I can't help but think there are ways to make curlies visually distinctive without also making them look like poorly-done graffiti tags. There's no accounting for taste, but to me those are just plain ugly.
- 1attice 3y agoI feel this typeface will run hotter than an Apple mono typeface but underperform in comparison to an AMD mono typeface
- nyanpasu64 3y agoI'm still waiting for Intel to port to a monospace instruction set.
- 1attice 3y agoMISC. I like it. Good work.
- mikae1 3y agoIntel has a little known open source sans serif too[1]. It's quite beautiful and has a DIN feel to it[2]. It's been around forever and maintenance was recently discontinued. [1] https://github.com/intel/clear-sans https://github.com/intel/clear-sans [2] https://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/clear-sans https://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/clear-sans
- formerly_proven 3y agoHmm, the lowercase L kinda sticks out like a sore thumb though. DIN 1451 does look better.
- firecall 3y agoI like how they make a point of consulting people with different legibility needs! That's a very important point of difference! People that aren't blind, but don't have perfect eyesight often fall into a forgotten middle ground! Glasses don't cure everything! Source: Have a son with eyesight issues who complains that even with the best glasses money can buy, struggles to read information posters in his classroom and so on!
- detrites 3y agoWhy do you end each sentence with exclamations? Your past comments suggest you do this often. It's hard to read, as the reader wonders if it's a joke or sarcasm they haven't figured out, detracting from simply reading your comment.
- catchnear4321 3y agothey even list a source, having a child with vision issues. your complaint may feel well-intentioned, but taken at face value you have told a parent that their enthusiasm over things like companies caring about groups of people that often get lost, that their child falls into, that has led to their child struggling, after all that, that their way of communicating, of expressing themselves, is so burdensome that it drove you to check into their previous comments to make sure it wasn’t a troll, and then offer your “constructive criticism.” without acknowledging anything about their comment beyond the punctuation. was it worth it?
- detrites 3y agoMy intention was in supporting them and their voice reach the audience with less hinderance. I didn't mention "enthusiasm", only pointing out the frequent and unusual use of punctuation can misread or be distracting. Hopefully it's of use to them.
- seanhunter 3y agoMan I really have a vicerally negative reaction to this font. 1) The braces are completely horrible 2) What kind of person thinks that making the fullstop massive and putting it in the middle of the line like a dot product sign is good? 3) Where even is the backtick? 4) For all their talk of legibility, lowercase l and 1 are very similar looking to my eyes.
- Bigpet 3y ago> Where even is the backtick? Not just that, why is the backtick unconditionally combining with the previous letter? If you type "a`" it will always print "à" for me, even combining with letters like "t", seems like a ligature table bug or something. Just randomly saw that when looking at a markdown file
- seanhunter 3y agoI'm going to add that the lowercase vwxyz are very hard to distinguish from their uppercase variants. Total fail.
- tigrisc 3y agoYou should install the font and check it out. 2 - what you see in screenshot is not period, 3 - backtick exists, not in that screenshot, 4 - lowercase l is curved and totally different from 1
- seanhunter 3y agoZero interest in trying it out, especially now that someone has pointed out that the - and + are not vertically aligned. I cannot unsee that. In any case it just looks way worse than my lovely Berkely Mono. For the braces and the shape of the 6 alone I couldn't possibly use such a font.
- layer8 3y agoAlso the plus is positioned higher than the hyphen-minus. Vertically center-aligned operators (+-<:=>) are a must for coding, in my opinion.
- amir734jj 3y agoMonaco font for life. Sorry.
- deafpolygon 3y agoI love trying out new fonts, but this one seems too squashed. I'm still chasing the perfect font after all these years, but there's always a slight problem.
- dvhh 3y agoStill prefer consolas for some reason
- atoav 3y agoMy two favourite monospaced fonts are: - fira code: https://github.com/tonsky/FiraCode https://github.com/tonsky/FiraCode - jetbrains mono: https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/mono/ https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/mono/ And I have tried a lot. Everything else feels weirdly stretched or cramped or not legible enough etc.
- seanhunter 3y agoI like both of those a lot but I'm all about the Berkeley Mono which I picked up after it appeared on HN. It feels like a modern version of an ancient old terminal font. https://berkeleygraphics.com/typefaces/berkeley-mono/ https://berkeleygraphics.com/typefaces/berkeley-mono/ Note they have different versions of the zero to cater to different tastes. The dot, the slash, the negative slash and the just figure it out it's slightly less round than a capital O are all available. They also have a ligatured version for people who are into that.
- manaskarekar 3y agoI love Fira Code, and Hack (https://github.com/source-foundry/Hack https://github.com/source-foundry/Hack). In another lifetime I coudn't imagine using anything other than Consolas/Inconsolata.
- fbnlsr 3y agoAfter years of using Ubuntu Mono, I've switched to IBM Plex Mono six years ago and I just can't find a better one now. That one feels weird, especially the curly braces.
- citrin_ru 3y agoI guess the best coding font is one you are used to. My first font was MS Fixedsys but then on a friend advice I've tried terminus [1] and liked it. Since then I've tried many other fonts but none of them stuck with me like terminus did. The only downside probably is that while bitmap fonts looks pixel-perfect 3rd party TTF versions are not so good (and some terminals support only TTF/OTF). [1] https://terminus-font.sourceforge.net/ https://terminus-font.sourceforge.net/
- xmcqdpt2 3y agoI really like Terminus too. I used it extensively when I was programming on a lower dpi screen where antialiasing makes everything look blurry.
- matheusmoreira 3y agoHow extensive is the Unicode support?
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- chronogram 3y agoI use Noto Sans Mono because it's got a lot of glyphs, it's not so "busy" looking, and I use the variable font features: https://fonts.google.com/noto/specimen/Noto+Sans+Mono https://fonts.google.com/noto/specimen/Noto+Sans+Mono https://notofonts.github.io/latin-greek-cyrillic/ https://notofonts.github.io/latin-greek-cyrillic/ https://github.com/notofonts/latin-greek-cyrillic https://github.com/notofonts/latin-greek-cyrillic
- VagueMag 3y agoAm I the only one who's a fan of what you might call the "default" monospace fonts on Apple and Google platforms? I very slightly prefer SF Mono (the Apple one) and use it on my Macs, but since it's not free I'll use Roboto Sans Mono (the Google one) in my Unix envs. I find this also helps give my brain a little visual cue as to which environment I'm working in.
- jasomill 3y agoHonestly, I think the default fonts (monospaced and proportional) on all major platforms are pretty good these days, though IBM Plex Mono and Sans have really grown on me, to the point where I use them as my default terminal (Mono) and text editor (Mono and Sans) on Mac, Windows, and Linux. On Mac (my primary desktop), I use San Francisco ("system-ui") with a couple alt stylistic sets ("High legibility" and "One storey a") as the default browser font, overriding both browser defaults and most other common "default" faces (serif and sans) via an extensive collection of @font-face directives.
- alexmyczko 3y agoStill my favourite: https://github.com/blobject/agave https://github.com/blobject/agave Here's another company font: https://github.com/polarsys/b612 https://github.com/polarsys/b612
- tgtweak 3y agoI use comic sans in my IDE to keep drab programming things lighthearted. Reduces the urge of others to do paired programming.
- statusgraph 3y agoJokes aside Comic Mono is surprisingly nice. I thought I'd hate it but it has a fun whimsy to it
- yardshop 3y agoI bought Comic Code (https://tosche.net/fonts/comic-code https://tosche.net/fonts/comic-code) a few years ago and have installed it in many of my editors and consoles and even as the monotype font in some browsers. I giggle every time I see it! Looks like Comic Mono is the trial version. (https://dtinth.github.io/comic-mono-font/ https://dtinth.github.io/comic-mono-font/)
- netzego 3y ago"A panel of low-vision and legally blind developers provided feedback at each stage of design" I used the medium style for two hours at pretty small font-size (8pt) on a light background. And i must say i kind of liked it so far. The greater line height and letter spacing looks good on smaller sizes. On greater font-sizes the letters getting to much "personality" and the font start to feel out of bounds. It is as easy to read as my preferred font but in smaller sizes. Which is appreciated. Not sure if really want to switch, though.
- gibspaulding 3y agoThe curly braces, i, and l all remind me of how I would handwrite those symbols doing math so it's a little strange to me that they didn't cross their z's as well in keeping with that style. I suppose that might get too dense at small font sizes though. I'll have to try this out!
- kayson 3y agoCouldn't tell from the repo: does it have power line glyphs? I suppose they could easily be patched in if not
- xipix 3y agoWhy are people still using mono fonts in 2023? There are very few reasons not to love proportional fonts in your IDE.
- tasn 3y agoIt makes code indentation much more clear. Though what are the advantages of using non mono for coding? Are there clear advantages for that?
- janaagaard 3y agoIf you are only indenting the start of your lines (and not inside the lines), a proportional font is actually completely unproblematic.
- janaagaard 3y agoI am still looking for a proportional font where I can clearly distinguish to single quotes from a double quote, and distinguish a single quote followed by a double quote from the double followed by a single. Do you have some suggestions?
- Sugimot0 3y agoFor IDE i can't speak but, they're necessary for terminal/textual ui's like vim, emacs, kakoune, helix, lazygit, etc.
- web3-is-a-scam 3y agoI’m such a sucker for monospace fonts. It’ll be hard to beat the comfort with the custom build of Iosevka I created painstakingly over the course of about a month trying different combinations of the available characters to find what felt the most pleasant to my eyes but I’m looking forward to trying it out.