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Last Call to Migrate Mojang Accounts

177 points by tech234a 3y ago

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nappy-doo 3y ago
I have tried repeatedly to move my old account over, and it didn't work. No error code, just fails silently after the second step. Emails to MSFT have gotten responses, but no ROI has happened as a result. This is par for the course for MSFT accounts and Minecraft. They are terrible. MSFT has the WORST account management of any platform. Oh well, I guess I'll stop playing with my kids soon.
- Loughla 3y ago
  I had the same problem, but just called MS Support, like they listed in the help section. I had to provide proof of purchase (which I luckily had moved from machine to machine since 2012). They sent me an e-mail with the log-in information. Everything was smooth. Did you try that instead of e-mailing?
  - nappy-doo 3y ago
    I've heard back from emailing, but it's useless. They say, "take screen shots". Of WHAT? Of it saying, "it's failed"? There's no error code, nothing. As other posters in thread have said, we're a technical crowd (for me 30+ years in IT, and 15+ at FAANG) and we can't get this crap to work. I think it's WAI – they want us to repurchase. (For the record, for me, it'll be like 10th time I've bought it, so it's working for MSFT. [The first time I bought it was 5$ to Notch's PP account.])
    - DANmode 3y ago
      So record your screen. It's a burden, but you're in it this far, to the point of telling us strangers about it ^.^
    - creatonez 3y ago
      Take a screen recording of the page, with the devtools javascript console or network tab open. A technical crowd should know what's useful for troubleshooting :)
  - ginko 3y ago
    Feels ridiculous that you have to call them for something like this.
    - Loughla 3y ago
      Yeah, probably, but that doesn't change the fact that I had to do it. I can want for one thing, but I have to live with the reality of the situation.
- TylerE 3y ago
  If you think MS is bad, try Square Enix sometime. You get to bounce around between about 3 different terrible websites to scratch your nose. Some use email, some use username... it's just a disaster. Oh, and they use some ancient font on at least one of the sites that doesn't even support hinting/AA.
  - yamtaddle 3y ago
    For a span of years, I would periodically (every month or two) manage to get Google in some weird state where it'd just redirect-loop me through a half-dozen domains forever when I tried to do anything. I'd have to delete cookies and start with a fresh session to fix it. It hasn't happened in a while, but I think that might mostly be because I interact with Google a lot less these days. Crap like this is why people hate computers. How's some non-geek supposed to figure that out?
- kgwxd 3y ago
  What’s the second step? I once had trouble transferring a domain between registrars and it turned out to be because I had “!!” at the end of my password which is something like “repeat last command” in some terminals and whatever backend process they were using used my plaintext password somewhere. I had to figure it out on my own and I only thought of it because I had recently ran into issues setting up a local MySQL instance with the same password. I changed my password with the registrar to fix it.
  - gcoakes 3y ago
    That's the holy grail of backend mistakes, right? Unescaped user input fed into a shell, and worse, that input is their password. How long ago was this?
    - kgwxd 3y ago
      2009. I couldn't believe how lucky I was to even think of it. I had never run into the issue using that password, which I used everywhere (wouldn't do that these days) except when I tried playing with MySQL on my local machine a few months prior. I think the issue was I couldn't log into the db as admin on the command line, even though it didn't have any trouble setting the password. I don't remember how I figured out that was the problem with MySQL though. I think it had set my password to [start of password]+[last command] and I was able to see that somewhere and deduce how something like that could possibly happen. When I tried to transfer the domain, support was baffled about why their standard transfer processes was was failing just for my account. I think it went on for a few weeks but I wasn't in any hurry so I didn't bother them much. They kept asking me to try again a bunch, but nothing they changed ever worked. At some point the idea just hit me that the password was the same from that MySQL issue. By that time I had moved on to using a new password everywhere because of that issue, but had never switch it for this account. So I switched the password, tried the transfer again, and it finally worked! I told support what I changed and why I think it might have been causing an issue but they never did directly confirm that was the problem. I'm still pretty sure it was. After I changed the password, they sent me an email with the new password in it, naked as the day it was born.
- epakai 3y ago
  I hit an issue that sounds like this. There was a captcha URL that was getting blocked by my adblocker. Never ran into a thing like that with any other site. No error, no redirect, just silent failure. I was migrating 5 accounts at the time, and it hit on the second or third so I was baffled for a bit.
Operyl 3y ago
I still can't even get it to work, it just fails silently after entering the security question answers.
- realworldperson 3y ago
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unyttigfjelltol 3y ago
The weird thing is those Java licenses weren't term SaaS subscriptions, they were perpetual. Mojang has some remarkable level of courage to just discontinue access with no pathway to re-enable it.
- jehb 3y ago
  I wish it were remarkable. Companies discontinuing support for older authentication methods for software that runs completely on the desktop seems to a totally normal if depressing part off using software these days. I miss the "good" old days when I just had to fight with authentication keys, keeping the right CD-ROM/DVD in the drive for a game to load, and maybe the occasional physical dongle for expensive specialized software.
- 1123581321 3y ago
  They’re transitioning everyone to the account system that will exist perpetually and have given lots of warnings; how is that breaking a deal? Software buyers expect to own the license forever, not necessarily to prove ownership the same way forever. I have several old licenses that are accessed through a different system now but still get me what I bought.
  - bee_rider 3y ago
    It is transitioning to a Microsoft account, right? Does a Microsoft account have another set of terms and conditions you have to agree to? If so, they’ve broken the old deal and added a new one you have to agree with.
    - henriquez 3y ago
      No not really. If they uphold the old agreement under a new set of terms then it’s kind of like switching an already-drunk person from Ketel One to Bacardi Silver.
      - bee_rider 3y ago
andrewmcwatters 3y ago
In my opinion, their website is broken in some ways the old one wasn't, back when Mojang still owned the IP, and broken in new ways that couldn't have been possible before. I've already migrated my account, but forgot about having done it. If you try to remigrate, it will tell you that you already have an account associated with the Microsoft account, and it will encourage you to buy it again? When you're logged in, the Get Minecraft button... also encourages you to buy the game again, instead of taking you to the download page. How do you screw this stuff up? How do you screw up account migration? Look at these other comments here. This is a technical audience. Those poor parents who aren't technical are going to end up rebuying these stupid copies for their kids because of Microsoft's incompetence. Edit: I'll take a minute to also share this related article I just posted. "Changes I Would Like To See in Game Development and Industry " - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35865390 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35865390
- pbhjpbhj 3y ago
  >rebuying these stupid copies for their kids because of Microsoft's incompetence. I'm going with "because of Microsoft's purposeful design".
- bombcar 3y ago
  Very coincidentally convenient that their incompetence leads to MORE sales. Funny, that.
  - jofla_net 3y ago
    Network effects/vendor lock-in are shockingly powerful, so much so that you can actively work to subvert your product when they are in your favor.
- deelowe 3y ago
  > How do you screw up account migration? I've always assumed this is just a dark pattern. There's no excuse.
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mr_woozy 3y ago
many of us alpha account users have no pathways forward for account migration either. Big suprise, M$FT is as horrible as ever.
- Rebelgecko 3y ago
  How so? I bought during the aloha and it seems like the pathway forward is to do 2 migrations (Minecraft to mojang to Microsoft)
josefresco 3y ago
The Mojang to Microsoft and Java to Bedrock migrations have lost me as a customer. I have a text file of passwords and I have no idea which is which and constantly get it wrong. Once I get in, it's the same nightmare to get someone else in. I also apparently have two launchers on my PC now? I would play more if this was easy. My kids would play more if this was easy. Opportunity lost.
- zimpenfish 3y ago
  > Java to Bedrock migration There hasn't been one of these? You can have both Java and Bedrock versions on Windows, yes, but there's been no requirement to move from Java to Bedrock (yet.)
  - mattrick 3y ago
    If I remember correctly, they've stated they don't have plans to ever migrate from Java to Bedrock. They've been doing a lot of work to try to get parity between the two versions but they're architecturally very different. I'd be surprised if they hung Java out to dry - it's definitely seen as the "definitive" version of Minecraft among most of the dedicated playerbase. Although, Bedrock definitely seems like it's their big money maker with how many microtransactions are in it.
    - jandrese 3y ago
      The Java version is the one with mods. The mods are several times the size of the base game at this point. If Microsoft said they were going to quit development on it many players would just shrug their shoulders and keep playing the last released java version forever. There would definitely be modpacks that recreated any features added to Bedrock if this happened. Maybe if Bedrock got an officially supported API, especially one that is stable between releases so people don't have to redo their mods for every release, then it might start pulling in players. But honestly, they'd probably charge for the API and it would be stillborn.
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JohnFen 3y ago
> Mojang Account holders automatically got access to Minecraft: Bedrock Edition for Windows upon migrating to a Microsoft Account as a bonus! What could be better? Not having to have a Microsoft account, maybe?
- Kon-Peki 3y ago
  It's just another step in the long process of eliminating the Java edition. Nothing you can do will stop them.
  - jamilton 3y ago
    People have said they're going to stop support the Java edition since the day Microsoft bought Mojang, but I really doubt it's in their current plans. If they were planning to, they'd just stop updating it, there would be no point in doing this migration in the first place.
    - squeaky-clean 3y ago
      Modders would keep it alive, I'm sure. That's already one of the major reasons why people don't want to migrate away from Java edition. In fact if Minecraft stopped updating Java edition that would make things a lot easier for modders. No more game updates breaking your mods.
      - b800h 3y ago
        You think they'd leave logins for it running when people could be playing Bedrock and paying for Realms?
        jamilton 3y ago
        Realms is on Java too.
        squeaky-clean 3y ago
        You can already remove the login from the client extremely easily today, and the server as long as you're willing to self-host.
joebiden2 3y ago
Account security. Please just stop, please. Can't anybody from within MS do something against this newspeak?
chinchilla2020 3y ago
I went through this migration years ago and have been forced to do it twice now. I understand the first migration (since I started a player who sent money to paypal for my license), but it makes no sense having to do it again.
proactivesvcs 3y ago
And have your Microsoft account locked out for "suspicious behaviour" because you won't give them your phone number.
- mooman219 3y ago
  Ah yeah my MSFT is in a state where everything is usable except Mojang account transfers. Support was unhelpful to gracefully resolve the situation, and recommended I give up and create a new MSFT account to hold the Mojang account, which I ended up doing. So now I have several MSFT accounts to hold various Mojang accounts.
- jandrese 3y ago
  That is every company these days. If you don't give them a phone number they assume you're a bot. The only people who know how to avoid this are the people who run bot farms.
- virtualpain 3y ago
  and when I decided to give my phone number, they couldn't send any SMS confirmation because it seems their sms provider didn't support my country.
- bentley 3y ago
  This is exactly what happened to me three weeks after I migrated my paid Mojang account to a new Microsoft account in 2019 or so. Haven’t played Minecraft since. Every so often I check. The account is still locked.
- skowalak 3y ago
  I wonder why they even keep the "suspicious behaviour" front. My account got locked within seconds after creating it and I had to add a phone number. Who are they trying to protect against? Scammers who bought Minecraft? I didn't even have a chance to behave suspiciously.
  - ridgered4 3y ago
    It is almost like it isn't about suspicious behavior at all!
sneak 3y ago
I'm a license holder for Java edition, which I feel entitles me to run the cracked version without issue.
renewiltord 3y ago
I still have an Alpha code. Is that a goner?
- SquareWheel 3y ago
  I wonder the same. I bought an extra code back in alpha because Notch promised it'd grant all future versions of the game. I wonder if it will still redeem as a valid code after two different system migrations (Minecraft account > Mojang account > Microsoft account).
- yownie 3y ago
  Alpha account here as well, we're all SOL afaik. I'd love to be proven wrong.
  - jandrese 3y ago
    I successfully migrated my Alpha account. I did it back when they first turned off the Mojang authentication server. It was an absolutely awful experience, but in the end I'm able to log in to Minecraft using the Microsoft account. https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/4411173197709-How-to-Migrate-a-Legacy-Minecraft-Account-to-a-Microsoft-Account- https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/4411173197709-H...
  - OkayPhysicist 3y ago
    If you can prove purchase, support has been pretty accommodating with allowing you to regain access.
    - tialaramex 3y ago
      Yup. I did this about a year ago. They had actual humans, who can read and understand, but they didn't seem to necessarily have all the pieces of the puzzle and Minecraft is very old, so there was some amount of (fake examples but similar): Them: You should have a sixteen digit Game Token from your purchase Me: I don't have a Game Token, I think those were introduced six months after I bought Minecraft, I have an eight letter Login Code, it's FKLEMOKN Them: I'm afraid we can't trace Login Codes to a game purchase, do you have a Receipt Number? Me: My PayMeNow Receipt Code was 1234-5678-LD-23 Them: I'm afraid we only have FastPayment Receipt Numbers, not PayMeNow Receipt Codes, do you remember your PayMeNow email address ? Me: I used a lot of email addresses back then, maybe minecraftgame@throwaway.codes.example ? Them: Maybe we can start with what was your Minecraft Foozle Weeble DingDong. That was a six digit code used for eight hours one Tuesday morning in 2016 ? Me: That's the only Tuesday in 2016 that I didn't play Minecraft, but I do have a Wongle Dongle BingBong if that helps? Eventually I just basically flooded them with stuff and they were like "Good enough, you're in" and so I'm not sure which of the random facts I had were enough or whether they just decided this guy seems really into Minecraft, and he is named tialaramex, the same name as the account so, I guess it's probably him.
juliangmp 3y ago
Hmm, piracy is looking better and better by the day
- kevingadd 3y ago
  It's not piracy if you already bought it
  - smegsicle 3y ago
    you wouldn't 'back up' a car
    - account42 3y ago
      Not without checking the rear view mirror.
- nottorp 3y ago
  It does look like Java players should start stashing pirated copies of every MC version they like to play...
  - rft 3y ago
    That is what I like about using custom launchers. I am using Prism Launcher [1] which keeps all instances (mod packs for me) locally. It includes the MC version, Forge and all mods. If it gets too big for my main partition, I can just archive and move the instance folder to my NAS. I can launch an instance "offline" which doesn't seem to connect or auth with anything. I have never tested though what happens if I do not have a recent-ish auth session. Bonus feature: I do not have to deal with the Curse client. [1] https://prismlauncher.org/ https://prismlauncher.org/
    - nottorp 3y ago
      I am running prism but I'm not sure that helps if you want to play on a private server (that has disabled auth checks, like I'm sure a bunch of private servers will do if Java dies officially) after the auth servers are shut down. Edit: anyway, you don't have to deal with the curse client if you're comfortable with installing plugins by hand. Or so it was before i switched to Prism, i could download the jars off Curse without their client.
scrame 3y ago
I think I migrated at some point, but I bought a damn alpha license that promised free updates forever. idgaf about minecraft at this point, but, its Microsoft, so I'm not sure why anyone is surprised.
phantom784 3y ago
I bought Minecraft back in 2010. Haven't played in ages, but figured I'd merge the accounts, and give it another go. After I merged, it now says I don't own the game and have to buy it again. Edit: Logged in again and now it's working. Go figure
- bombcar 3y ago
  I don’t know what Microsoft does in the back end but every damn change seems to take 30+ minutes to percolate through their damn caching on every level. Office365 changes are the worst.
daniel-cussen 3y ago
They're fucking up on purpose. This is a request for consent that they steal from you. Microsoft intentionally, n w a criminal mind (in light of all the what in light of their stealing from me was harm they were doing in court) fucked up like oops oops whoopsie this button oh why doesn't this do it right, oh it's your job to do this this n this. No. They stole it from me in the hopes i would buy it again. Or maybe they're shit at writing code, right? It's not either or. It's intentional. N then they whine about piracy n intellectual property, yeah.
- doodlesdev 3y ago
  Honestly, at this point I think it's both incompetence AND malice.
  - CatWChainsaw 3y ago
    Incompetence IS malice.
daniel-cussen 3y ago
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tech234a 3y ago
I'm wondering if they will be doing another username purge at some point. They did one in 2015 to free up usernames from the free version of the game that no longer existed at that point [1]. [1]: https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/4408867060621 https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/4408867060621
b800h 3y ago
But it doesn't work! I just gave up and started using MineTest with the kids.
nmeagent 3y ago
I bought a license over a decade ago and refuse to migrate anything to a Microsoft account on general principle. I don't care what IP they bought, I shouldn't have to have any relationship with that company when I didn't buy a single thing from them. I hope Notch and everyone else involved is happy with their piles of cash, because they're never going to see another dime of mine.
- circuit10 3y ago
  Notch sold it years ago so he’s not involved any more, unless you count selling it to Microsoft in the first place
jandrese 3y ago
That account migration sucks bigtime. I had to do it for my account and all of my kid's accounts and every single time it was a chore. You aren't signing up for a "Microsoft" account, you're getting an account on like 4 different services that don't talk to each other. Then you have to dig way deep in the settings on one of the services to find the poorly labeled switch (I believe it says something like "allow online chat") that allows the accounts to connect to my local server. Even more fun for me: The email address I had used to create the Mojang account had long ago been registered by some bot on the Microsoft side. So I had to do an account recovery/takeover in order to do the migration, but it turns out you can't completely switch the language settings so even though the web pages are in English any email from Microsoft comes in German. There's also the possibility that the bot will take the account back at some point, even though I've tried my best to change all of the information in it and I own the associated email address. I'm actually pretty annoyed that Microsoft let the bot register it without ever verifying the email. Also, it gave me a super lame XBox handle and I can't seem to change it. The old Mojang account was way easier to use. The only thing worse is when Oculus forced everybody to make new accounts for the headsets to be more (or less?!?) Facebook/Horizon Worlds tied. That was an even bigger headache.
- ginnungagap 3y ago
  Microsoft seems unable to do language settings as well. I bought a laptop in Germany that came preinstalled with windows, so the first thing I did was switch the OS's language to English. At some point during setup it also asked for my region or some similarly called info and I said Italy. The result is that now most of the OS is in English but random pieces of it revert to either German or Italian every now and then, especially error messages and similar things... Luckily they are languages I somewhat understand at least!
srameshc 3y ago
I migrated to MS by creating a new MS account last year and then forgot about the email. Now I can no way access that email or change the password since I never used it for anything else except minecraft. No matter what I can't answer those damn questions to access my MS email and lost my minecraft as a result.
ssl232 3y ago
I'm still waiting for notch to release Minecraft into the public domain as he said he would eventually do [1]... [1] http://web.archive.org/web/20100301103851/http://www.minecraft.net/about.jsp http://web.archive.org/web/20100301103851/http://www.minecra...
- voynich 3y ago
  > Once sales start dying and a minimum time has passed, I will release the game source code as some kind of open source I doubt Minecraft's sales are going to drop any time soon. And also, given that Microsoft owns it now, we might never see this anyway. Still something that we can look forward too, though.
- MattRix 3y ago
  ya uh I think the whole “selling the game to microsoft” thing might have affected those plans ;)
mac-chaffee 3y ago
I hit an unexplained error while migrating, and the error page told me to go to https://help.mojang.com/ https://help.mojang.com/ which has an expired TLS cert as of today. Then I tried to submit a support ticket here: https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/request/new?ticket_form_id=360001225811 https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/request/new?ticket_form_... But when you click "Submit", nothing happens. I can see that their CORS config is broken and doesn't allow requests to zendesk's API. I did eventually get my migration to go through. The trick was to enter my security question answers and click the button (where nothing happens, also a bug). Then close the tab and re-open it (control + shift + t).
everyone 3y ago
MS ruined Minecraft. I bought it a long time ago but I just use cracked copy now. Getting the official version to run is a ridiculous process.
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lol768 3y ago
Help site seems dead, request to https://help.minecraft.net/help_center/en-us/sections?page[size]=100 https://help.minecraft.net/help_center/en-us/sections?page[s... and https://help.minecraft.net/help_center/en-us/articles/360050865492 https://help.minecraft.net/help_center/en-us/articles/360050... just times out...
Toxygene 3y ago
Migration was a complete nightmare for me. I had a couple of accounts for myself and kids. I used Gmail "plus addressing" for all the accounts. MS actively prevents creating accounts using email "plus addressing" so I had to go through the nightmare of creating several MS accounts and migrate each Mojang account. Every step of the process was painful and slow. And that was just the account setup part. Then I had to create user accounts on their Windows 11 machine and fight with the account linking there. Several hours, and an absurd amount of cursing, later, it was done. Never again. I'll just make my kids play on their Switch if anything goes wrong on the future.
mcfoobar 3y ago
They got me with this too. I can't migrate my account to a Microsoft account because I don't recall associating any e-mail address with my Mojang account and they've never sent me anything. I have the PayPal receipt from 2010 but due to bad bookkeeping on their side they can't verify my account with it. It's a real mess. An additional bit of silliness I've noticed: they can't even get their EULA and terms of service correct. The EULA at https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/eula https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/eula points to a binding arbitration agreement that doesn't exist...
baby 3y ago
For people like me who were wondering how to migrate. You have to login here simply: https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/login?view=mojang https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/login?view=mojang
- cobertos 3y ago
  Hmm, I tried logging in there but I get "You seem to be offline, press reload to try again." oddly enough. Seems like this will be more painful than I wanted to deal with.
StrangeATractor 3y ago
Ugh, dealing with Minecraft/Microsoft account management is a nightmare. I think somebody really just set out to make it as difficult, obtuse and frustrating as possible. How could Mojang make it painless but Microsoft make it "going to the dentist"?
- Xeamek 3y ago
  Is this REALLY what You think? That the only possible reason for this is intentionall malice and not the fact that microsoft account is probably one of the biggest if not the biggest integrated service on the web (from cloud management with azure, trough apps and office suite, trough games, domain control and finally entire OS control across multiple different hardwares), which would inevitably lead to their system being more complicated, thus error prone?
Quequau 3y ago
I bought the game when it was just leaving alpha and migrated to Microsoft when I got the mail demanding I do so. Immediately afterwards, Microsoft closed my account for reasons and I've not been able to use it since. I've been fooling around with Veloren instead. It's nothing like Minecraft but I'm not paying Microsoft money to buy something I already paid for.
Atlas22 3y ago
I would love to migrate and keep my Minecraft account (I paid for it, damn you Microsoft). However Microsoft deleted my live.com email for inactivity (without notifying me at all) so its been lost since microshit bought out mojang. I still know the password but it can't be migrated or changed without access to the email... Support never even answers/replies. Guess its a small cost for doing a deal with the devil.
gogatsby 3y ago
It strikes fear into me when my kids or parents need Microsoft authentication support. Microsoft accounts don’t work if you use multiple accounts on the same browser. Various services don’t respect logged out accounts. Say you logout of one account on every single related Microsoft service and then login with another account. When visiting some of the services it will think you are logged in under one of the logged out accounts and give you a strange degraded service. I suspect parts of the services don’t fully understand the difference between a logged in user and some cookie of a prior user session. The issue only get worse when using personal and work accounts.
fishbacon 3y ago
For about a year, I would receive a password reset notification from Minecraft, every day. Someone thought they had the account name "mark", I am sort of glad they moved to emails and eventually MS accounts. Although I suppose I lost a short name because of it.
trialect 3y ago
I bought MC in.. I really don't know when. 2010? maybe? A long time ago. I will never migrate my account to microsoft. I hate them with a passion. Back when google tried to force everyone with a youtube account to singup to that +1 account (what was it? google plus or something?). I never did that. I was not able to reply to any comments on my videos for a years! Then suddenly I noticed I can comment/reply again. They just silently removed their forced account migration procedure. microsoft will do the same or they will go to hell for sure.
- throwaway290 3y ago
  I wish I never migrated. Now I never play and recommend everyone not to, because it no longer seems like a game I own
Arch-TK 3y ago
Wow. I was expecting at least to be able to keep my account even if I can't use it to play the game. The nickname is two characters long, I've received multiple offers from people trying to buy it. I don't want to sell it on the principle that it holds more sentimental value to me than I think its worth. Now with Microsoft trying to force new TOS (alongside their accounts) down everyone's throats and the game becoming unplayable anyway due to the constant threat of your account being permanently banned just by sheer existence, I don't know what to do. Do I let the account get lost in the ether as a silent stand against Microsoft? Do I sell the account for a few thousand $? Or do I cave into the petty demands of this large corporation and migrate the account. As a bonus, if I tie it to an email address on one of my domains, nobody will be able to ever buy it. (Without also needing to buy the domain. Assuming you can even make a Microsoft account with a non Microsoft email address). If I fight Microsoft on this then at best I can get a tiny refund for the game.
- RugnirViking 3y ago
  > constant threat of your account being permanently banned just by sheer existence idk if you never log in this seems somewhat unlikely? Also what in the new TOS is objectionable, I dont know anything about it.
  - geraldwhen 3y ago
    Anything you type, even on fully private servers or in single player, can get your account permanently banned.
    - RugnirViking 3y ago
      Is that really true? I see a lot of abject filth on certain servers to this day, it's hard to see how even a simple keyword search for certain particular words wouldn't catch the messages. Or is it something like those people are using the old accounts still and it won't be a thing after this cange?
sc68cal 3y ago
I just tried to migrate my account, and the step where I create a Microsoft account, it fails.
eximius 3y ago
I can't help but wonder if they were legally allowed to do this bullshit anyway. If I failed to migrate my account, are they allowed to deny me access to the product I paid for?

177 points by tech234a 3y ago

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I have tried repeatedly to move my old account over, and it didn't work. No error code, just fails silently after the second step. Emails to MSFT have gotten responses, but no ROI has happened as a result. This is par for the course for MSFT accounts and Minecraft. They are terrible. MSFT has the WORST account management of any platform. Oh well, I guess I'll stop playing with my kids soon.

Loughla 3y ago
I had the same problem, but just called MS Support, like they listed in the help section. I had to provide proof of purchase (which I luckily had moved from machine to machine since 2012). They sent me an e-mail with the log-in information. Everything was smooth. Did you try that instead of e-mailing?
- nappy-doo 3y ago
  I've heard back from emailing, but it's useless. They say, "take screen shots". Of WHAT? Of it saying, "it's failed"? There's no error code, nothing. As other posters in thread have said, we're a technical crowd (for me 30+ years in IT, and 15+ at FAANG) and we can't get this crap to work. I think it's WAI – they want us to repurchase. (For the record, for me, it'll be like 10th time I've bought it, so it's working for MSFT. [The first time I bought it was 5$ to Notch's PP account.])
  - DANmode 3y ago
    So record your screen. It's a burden, but you're in it this far, to the point of telling us strangers about it ^.^
  - creatonez 3y ago
    Take a screen recording of the page, with the devtools javascript console or network tab open. A technical crowd should know what's useful for troubleshooting :)
- ginko 3y ago
  Feels ridiculous that you have to call them for something like this.
  - Loughla 3y ago
    Yeah, probably, but that doesn't change the fact that I had to do it. I can want for one thing, but I have to live with the reality of the situation.
TylerE 3y ago
If you think MS is bad, try Square Enix sometime. You get to bounce around between about 3 different terrible websites to scratch your nose. Some use email, some use username... it's just a disaster. Oh, and they use some ancient font on at least one of the sites that doesn't even support hinting/AA.
- yamtaddle 3y ago
  For a span of years, I would periodically (every month or two) manage to get Google in some weird state where it'd just redirect-loop me through a half-dozen domains forever when I tried to do anything. I'd have to delete cookies and start with a fresh session to fix it. It hasn't happened in a while, but I think that might mostly be because I interact with Google a lot less these days. Crap like this is why people hate computers. How's some non-geek supposed to figure that out?
kgwxd 3y ago
What’s the second step? I once had trouble transferring a domain between registrars and it turned out to be because I had “!!” at the end of my password which is something like “repeat last command” in some terminals and whatever backend process they were using used my plaintext password somewhere. I had to figure it out on my own and I only thought of it because I had recently ran into issues setting up a local MySQL instance with the same password. I changed my password with the registrar to fix it.
- gcoakes 3y ago
  That's the holy grail of backend mistakes, right? Unescaped user input fed into a shell, and worse, that input is their password. How long ago was this?
  - kgwxd 3y ago
    2009. I couldn't believe how lucky I was to even think of it. I had never run into the issue using that password, which I used everywhere (wouldn't do that these days) except when I tried playing with MySQL on my local machine a few months prior. I think the issue was I couldn't log into the db as admin on the command line, even though it didn't have any trouble setting the password. I don't remember how I figured out that was the problem with MySQL though. I think it had set my password to [start of password]+[last command] and I was able to see that somewhere and deduce how something like that could possibly happen. When I tried to transfer the domain, support was baffled about why their standard transfer processes was was failing just for my account. I think it went on for a few weeks but I wasn't in any hurry so I didn't bother them much. They kept asking me to try again a bunch, but nothing they changed ever worked. At some point the idea just hit me that the password was the same from that MySQL issue. By that time I had moved on to using a new password everywhere because of that issue, but had never switch it for this account. So I switched the password, tried the transfer again, and it finally worked! I told support what I changed and why I think it might have been causing an issue but they never did directly confirm that was the problem. I'm still pretty sure it was. After I changed the password, they sent me an email with the new password in it, naked as the day it was born.
epakai 3y ago
I hit an issue that sounds like this. There was a captcha URL that was getting blocked by my adblocker. Never ran into a thing like that with any other site. No error, no redirect, just silent failure. I was migrating 5 accounts at the time, and it hit on the second or third so I was baffled for a bit.

Operyl 3y ago

I still can't even get it to work, it just fails silently after entering the security question answers.

realworldperson 3y ago
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unyttigfjelltol 3y ago

The weird thing is those Java licenses weren't term SaaS subscriptions, they were perpetual. Mojang has some remarkable level of courage to just discontinue access with no pathway to re-enable it.

jehb 3y ago
I wish it were remarkable. Companies discontinuing support for older authentication methods for software that runs completely on the desktop seems to a totally normal if depressing part off using software these days. I miss the "good" old days when I just had to fight with authentication keys, keeping the right CD-ROM/DVD in the drive for a game to load, and maybe the occasional physical dongle for expensive specialized software.
1123581321 3y ago
They’re transitioning everyone to the account system that will exist perpetually and have given lots of warnings; how is that breaking a deal? Software buyers expect to own the license forever, not necessarily to prove ownership the same way forever. I have several old licenses that are accessed through a different system now but still get me what I bought.
- bee_rider 3y ago
  It is transitioning to a Microsoft account, right? Does a Microsoft account have another set of terms and conditions you have to agree to? If so, they’ve broken the old deal and added a new one you have to agree with.
  - henriquez 3y ago
    No not really. If they uphold the old agreement under a new set of terms then it’s kind of like switching an already-drunk person from Ketel One to Bacardi Silver.
    - bee_rider 3y ago

andrewmcwatters 3y ago

In my opinion, their website is broken in some ways the old one wasn't, back when Mojang still owned the IP, and broken in new ways that couldn't have been possible before. I've already migrated my account, but forgot about having done it. If you try to remigrate, it will tell you that you already have an account associated with the Microsoft account, and it will encourage you to buy it again? When you're logged in, the Get Minecraft button... also encourages you to buy the game again, instead of taking you to the download page. How do you screw this stuff up? How do you screw up account migration? Look at these other comments here. This is a technical audience. Those poor parents who aren't technical are going to end up rebuying these stupid copies for their kids because of Microsoft's incompetence. Edit: I'll take a minute to also share this related article I just posted. "Changes I Would Like To See in Game Development and Industry " - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35865390 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35865390

pbhjpbhj 3y ago
>rebuying these stupid copies for their kids because of Microsoft's incompetence. I'm going with "because of Microsoft's purposeful design".
bombcar 3y ago
Very coincidentally convenient that their incompetence leads to MORE sales. Funny, that.
- jofla_net 3y ago
  Network effects/vendor lock-in are shockingly powerful, so much so that you can actively work to subvert your product when they are in your favor.
deelowe 3y ago
> How do you screw up account migration? I've always assumed this is just a dark pattern. There's no excuse.
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mr_woozy 3y ago

many of us alpha account users have no pathways forward for account migration either. Big suprise, M$FT is as horrible as ever.

Rebelgecko 3y ago
How so? I bought during the aloha and it seems like the pathway forward is to do 2 migrations (Minecraft to mojang to Microsoft)

josefresco 3y ago

The Mojang to Microsoft and Java to Bedrock migrations have lost me as a customer. I have a text file of passwords and I have no idea which is which and constantly get it wrong. Once I get in, it's the same nightmare to get someone else in. I also apparently have two launchers on my PC now? I would play more if this was easy. My kids would play more if this was easy. Opportunity lost.

zimpenfish 3y ago
> Java to Bedrock migration There hasn't been one of these? You can have both Java and Bedrock versions on Windows, yes, but there's been no requirement to move from Java to Bedrock (yet.)
- mattrick 3y ago
  If I remember correctly, they've stated they don't have plans to ever migrate from Java to Bedrock. They've been doing a lot of work to try to get parity between the two versions but they're architecturally very different. I'd be surprised if they hung Java out to dry - it's definitely seen as the "definitive" version of Minecraft among most of the dedicated playerbase. Although, Bedrock definitely seems like it's their big money maker with how many microtransactions are in it.
  - jandrese 3y ago
    The Java version is the one with mods. The mods are several times the size of the base game at this point. If Microsoft said they were going to quit development on it many players would just shrug their shoulders and keep playing the last released java version forever. There would definitely be modpacks that recreated any features added to Bedrock if this happened. Maybe if Bedrock got an officially supported API, especially one that is stable between releases so people don't have to redo their mods for every release, then it might start pulling in players. But honestly, they'd probably charge for the API and it would be stillborn.
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JohnFen 3y ago

> Mojang Account holders automatically got access to Minecraft: Bedrock Edition for Windows upon migrating to a Microsoft Account as a bonus! What could be better? Not having to have a Microsoft account, maybe?

Kon-Peki 3y ago
It's just another step in the long process of eliminating the Java edition. Nothing you can do will stop them.
- jamilton 3y ago
  People have said they're going to stop support the Java edition since the day Microsoft bought Mojang, but I really doubt it's in their current plans. If they were planning to, they'd just stop updating it, there would be no point in doing this migration in the first place.
  - squeaky-clean 3y ago
    Modders would keep it alive, I'm sure. That's already one of the major reasons why people don't want to migrate away from Java edition. In fact if Minecraft stopped updating Java edition that would make things a lot easier for modders. No more game updates breaking your mods.
    - b800h 3y ago
      You think they'd leave logins for it running when people could be playing Bedrock and paying for Realms?
      - jamilton 3y ago
        Realms is on Java too.
      - squeaky-clean 3y ago
        You can already remove the login from the client extremely easily today, and the server as long as you're willing to self-host.

joebiden2 3y ago

Account security. Please just stop, please. Can't anybody from within MS do something against this newspeak?

chinchilla2020 3y ago

I went through this migration years ago and have been forced to do it twice now. I understand the first migration (since I started a player who sent money to paypal for my license), but it makes no sense having to do it again.

proactivesvcs 3y ago

And have your Microsoft account locked out for "suspicious behaviour" because you won't give them your phone number.

mooman219 3y ago
Ah yeah my MSFT is in a state where everything is usable except Mojang account transfers. Support was unhelpful to gracefully resolve the situation, and recommended I give up and create a new MSFT account to hold the Mojang account, which I ended up doing. So now I have several MSFT accounts to hold various Mojang accounts.
jandrese 3y ago
That is every company these days. If you don't give them a phone number they assume you're a bot. The only people who know how to avoid this are the people who run bot farms.
virtualpain 3y ago
and when I decided to give my phone number, they couldn't send any SMS confirmation because it seems their sms provider didn't support my country.
bentley 3y ago
This is exactly what happened to me three weeks after I migrated my paid Mojang account to a new Microsoft account in 2019 or so. Haven’t played Minecraft since. Every so often I check. The account is still locked.
skowalak 3y ago
I wonder why they even keep the "suspicious behaviour" front. My account got locked within seconds after creating it and I had to add a phone number. Who are they trying to protect against? Scammers who bought Minecraft? I didn't even have a chance to behave suspiciously.
- ridgered4 3y ago
  It is almost like it isn't about suspicious behavior at all!

sneak 3y ago

I'm a license holder for Java edition, which I feel entitles me to run the cracked version without issue.

renewiltord 3y ago

I still have an Alpha code. Is that a goner?

SquareWheel 3y ago
I wonder the same. I bought an extra code back in alpha because Notch promised it'd grant all future versions of the game. I wonder if it will still redeem as a valid code after two different system migrations (Minecraft account > Mojang account > Microsoft account).
yownie 3y ago
Alpha account here as well, we're all SOL afaik. I'd love to be proven wrong.
- jandrese 3y ago
  I successfully migrated my Alpha account. I did it back when they first turned off the Mojang authentication server. It was an absolutely awful experience, but in the end I'm able to log in to Minecraft using the Microsoft account. https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/4411173197709-How-to-Migrate-a-Legacy-Minecraft-Account-to-a-Microsoft-Account- https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/4411173197709-H...
- OkayPhysicist 3y ago
  If you can prove purchase, support has been pretty accommodating with allowing you to regain access.
  - tialaramex 3y ago
    Yup. I did this about a year ago. They had actual humans, who can read and understand, but they didn't seem to necessarily have all the pieces of the puzzle and Minecraft is very old, so there was some amount of (fake examples but similar): Them: You should have a sixteen digit Game Token from your purchase Me: I don't have a Game Token, I think those were introduced six months after I bought Minecraft, I have an eight letter Login Code, it's FKLEMOKN Them: I'm afraid we can't trace Login Codes to a game purchase, do you have a Receipt Number? Me: My PayMeNow Receipt Code was 1234-5678-LD-23 Them: I'm afraid we only have FastPayment Receipt Numbers, not PayMeNow Receipt Codes, do you remember your PayMeNow email address ? Me: I used a lot of email addresses back then, maybe minecraftgame@throwaway.codes.example ? Them: Maybe we can start with what was your Minecraft Foozle Weeble DingDong. That was a six digit code used for eight hours one Tuesday morning in 2016 ? Me: That's the only Tuesday in 2016 that I didn't play Minecraft, but I do have a Wongle Dongle BingBong if that helps? Eventually I just basically flooded them with stuff and they were like "Good enough, you're in" and so I'm not sure which of the random facts I had were enough or whether they just decided this guy seems really into Minecraft, and he is named tialaramex, the same name as the account so, I guess it's probably him.

juliangmp 3y ago

Hmm, piracy is looking better and better by the day

kevingadd 3y ago
It's not piracy if you already bought it
- smegsicle 3y ago
  you wouldn't 'back up' a car
  - account42 3y ago
    Not without checking the rear view mirror.
nottorp 3y ago
It does look like Java players should start stashing pirated copies of every MC version they like to play...
- rft 3y ago
  That is what I like about using custom launchers. I am using Prism Launcher [1] which keeps all instances (mod packs for me) locally. It includes the MC version, Forge and all mods. If it gets too big for my main partition, I can just archive and move the instance folder to my NAS. I can launch an instance "offline" which doesn't seem to connect or auth with anything. I have never tested though what happens if I do not have a recent-ish auth session. Bonus feature: I do not have to deal with the Curse client. [1] https://prismlauncher.org/ https://prismlauncher.org/
  - nottorp 3y ago
    I am running prism but I'm not sure that helps if you want to play on a private server (that has disabled auth checks, like I'm sure a bunch of private servers will do if Java dies officially) after the auth servers are shut down. Edit: anyway, you don't have to deal with the curse client if you're comfortable with installing plugins by hand. Or so it was before i switched to Prism, i could download the jars off Curse without their client.

scrame 3y ago

I think I migrated at some point, but I bought a damn alpha license that promised free updates forever. idgaf about minecraft at this point, but, its Microsoft, so I'm not sure why anyone is surprised.

phantom784 3y ago

I bought Minecraft back in 2010. Haven't played in ages, but figured I'd merge the accounts, and give it another go. After I merged, it now says I don't own the game and have to buy it again. Edit: Logged in again and now it's working. Go figure

bombcar 3y ago
I don’t know what Microsoft does in the back end but every damn change seems to take 30+ minutes to percolate through their damn caching on every level. Office365 changes are the worst.

daniel-cussen 3y ago

They're fucking up on purpose. This is a request for consent that they steal from you. Microsoft intentionally, n w a criminal mind (in light of all the what in light of their stealing from me was harm they were doing in court) fucked up like oops oops whoopsie this button oh why doesn't this do it right, oh it's your job to do this this n this. No. They stole it from me in the hopes i would buy it again. Or maybe they're shit at writing code, right? It's not either or. It's intentional. N then they whine about piracy n intellectual property, yeah.

doodlesdev 3y ago
Honestly, at this point I think it's both incompetence AND malice.
- CatWChainsaw 3y ago
  Incompetence IS malice.

daniel-cussen 3y ago

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tech234a 3y ago

I'm wondering if they will be doing another username purge at some point. They did one in 2015 to free up usernames from the free version of the game that no longer existed at that point [1]. [1]: https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/4408867060621 https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/4408867060621

b800h 3y ago

But it doesn't work! I just gave up and started using MineTest with the kids.

nmeagent 3y ago

I bought a license over a decade ago and refuse to migrate anything to a Microsoft account on general principle. I don't care what IP they bought, I shouldn't have to have any relationship with that company when I didn't buy a single thing from them. I hope Notch and everyone else involved is happy with their piles of cash, because they're never going to see another dime of mine.

circuit10 3y ago
Notch sold it years ago so he’s not involved any more, unless you count selling it to Microsoft in the first place

jandrese 3y ago

That account migration sucks bigtime. I had to do it for my account and all of my kid's accounts and every single time it was a chore. You aren't signing up for a "Microsoft" account, you're getting an account on like 4 different services that don't talk to each other. Then you have to dig way deep in the settings on one of the services to find the poorly labeled switch (I believe it says something like "allow online chat") that allows the accounts to connect to my local server. Even more fun for me: The email address I had used to create the Mojang account had long ago been registered by some bot on the Microsoft side. So I had to do an account recovery/takeover in order to do the migration, but it turns out you can't completely switch the language settings so even though the web pages are in English any email from Microsoft comes in German. There's also the possibility that the bot will take the account back at some point, even though I've tried my best to change all of the information in it and I own the associated email address. I'm actually pretty annoyed that Microsoft let the bot register it without ever verifying the email. Also, it gave me a super lame XBox handle and I can't seem to change it. The old Mojang account was way easier to use. The only thing worse is when Oculus forced everybody to make new accounts for the headsets to be more (or less?!?) Facebook/Horizon Worlds tied. That was an even bigger headache.

ginnungagap 3y ago
Microsoft seems unable to do language settings as well. I bought a laptop in Germany that came preinstalled with windows, so the first thing I did was switch the OS's language to English. At some point during setup it also asked for my region or some similarly called info and I said Italy. The result is that now most of the OS is in English but random pieces of it revert to either German or Italian every now and then, especially error messages and similar things... Luckily they are languages I somewhat understand at least!

srameshc 3y ago

I migrated to MS by creating a new MS account last year and then forgot about the email. Now I can no way access that email or change the password since I never used it for anything else except minecraft. No matter what I can't answer those damn questions to access my MS email and lost my minecraft as a result.

ssl232 3y ago

I'm still waiting for notch to release Minecraft into the public domain as he said he would eventually do [1]... [1] http://web.archive.org/web/20100301103851/http://www.minecraft.net/about.jsp http://web.archive.org/web/20100301103851/http://www.minecra...

voynich 3y ago
> Once sales start dying and a minimum time has passed, I will release the game source code as some kind of open source I doubt Minecraft's sales are going to drop any time soon. And also, given that Microsoft owns it now, we might never see this anyway. Still something that we can look forward too, though.
MattRix 3y ago
ya uh I think the whole “selling the game to microsoft” thing might have affected those plans ;)

mac-chaffee 3y ago

I hit an unexplained error while migrating, and the error page told me to go to https://help.mojang.com/ https://help.mojang.com/ which has an expired TLS cert as of today. Then I tried to submit a support ticket here: https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/request/new?ticket_form_id=360001225811 https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/request/new?ticket_form_... But when you click "Submit", nothing happens. I can see that their CORS config is broken and doesn't allow requests to zendesk's API. I did eventually get my migration to go through. The trick was to enter my security question answers and click the button (where nothing happens, also a bug). Then close the tab and re-open it (control + shift + t).

everyone 3y ago

MS ruined Minecraft. I bought it a long time ago but I just use cracked copy now. Getting the official version to run is a ridiculous process.

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lol768 3y ago

Help site seems dead, request to https://help.minecraft.net/help_center/en-us/sections?page[size]=100 https://help.minecraft.net/help_center/en-us/sections?page[s... and https://help.minecraft.net/help_center/en-us/articles/360050865492 https://help.minecraft.net/help_center/en-us/articles/360050... just times out...

Toxygene 3y ago

Migration was a complete nightmare for me. I had a couple of accounts for myself and kids. I used Gmail "plus addressing" for all the accounts. MS actively prevents creating accounts using email "plus addressing" so I had to go through the nightmare of creating several MS accounts and migrate each Mojang account. Every step of the process was painful and slow. And that was just the account setup part. Then I had to create user accounts on their Windows 11 machine and fight with the account linking there. Several hours, and an absurd amount of cursing, later, it was done. Never again. I'll just make my kids play on their Switch if anything goes wrong on the future.

mcfoobar 3y ago

They got me with this too. I can't migrate my account to a Microsoft account because I don't recall associating any e-mail address with my Mojang account and they've never sent me anything. I have the PayPal receipt from 2010 but due to bad bookkeeping on their side they can't verify my account with it. It's a real mess. An additional bit of silliness I've noticed: they can't even get their EULA and terms of service correct. The EULA at https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/eula https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/eula points to a binding arbitration agreement that doesn't exist...

baby 3y ago

For people like me who were wondering how to migrate. You have to login here simply: https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/login?view=mojang https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/login?view=mojang

cobertos 3y ago
Hmm, I tried logging in there but I get "You seem to be offline, press reload to try again." oddly enough. Seems like this will be more painful than I wanted to deal with.

StrangeATractor 3y ago

Ugh, dealing with Minecraft/Microsoft account management is a nightmare. I think somebody really just set out to make it as difficult, obtuse and frustrating as possible. How could Mojang make it painless but Microsoft make it "going to the dentist"?

Xeamek 3y ago
Is this REALLY what You think? That the only possible reason for this is intentionall malice and not the fact that microsoft account is probably one of the biggest if not the biggest integrated service on the web (from cloud management with azure, trough apps and office suite, trough games, domain control and finally entire OS control across multiple different hardwares), which would inevitably lead to their system being more complicated, thus error prone?

Quequau 3y ago

I bought the game when it was just leaving alpha and migrated to Microsoft when I got the mail demanding I do so. Immediately afterwards, Microsoft closed my account for reasons and I've not been able to use it since. I've been fooling around with Veloren instead. It's nothing like Minecraft but I'm not paying Microsoft money to buy something I already paid for.

Atlas22 3y ago

I would love to migrate and keep my Minecraft account (I paid for it, damn you Microsoft). However Microsoft deleted my live.com email for inactivity (without notifying me at all) so its been lost since microshit bought out mojang. I still know the password but it can't be migrated or changed without access to the email... Support never even answers/replies. Guess its a small cost for doing a deal with the devil.

gogatsby 3y ago

It strikes fear into me when my kids or parents need Microsoft authentication support. Microsoft accounts don’t work if you use multiple accounts on the same browser. Various services don’t respect logged out accounts. Say you logout of one account on every single related Microsoft service and then login with another account. When visiting some of the services it will think you are logged in under one of the logged out accounts and give you a strange degraded service. I suspect parts of the services don’t fully understand the difference between a logged in user and some cookie of a prior user session. The issue only get worse when using personal and work accounts.

fishbacon 3y ago

For about a year, I would receive a password reset notification from Minecraft, every day. Someone thought they had the account name "mark", I am sort of glad they moved to emails and eventually MS accounts. Although I suppose I lost a short name because of it.

trialect 3y ago

I bought MC in.. I really don't know when. 2010? maybe? A long time ago. I will never migrate my account to microsoft. I hate them with a passion. Back when google tried to force everyone with a youtube account to singup to that +1 account (what was it? google plus or something?). I never did that. I was not able to reply to any comments on my videos for a years! Then suddenly I noticed I can comment/reply again. They just silently removed their forced account migration procedure. microsoft will do the same or they will go to hell for sure.

throwaway290 3y ago
I wish I never migrated. Now I never play and recommend everyone not to, because it no longer seems like a game I own

Arch-TK 3y ago

Wow. I was expecting at least to be able to keep my account even if I can't use it to play the game. The nickname is two characters long, I've received multiple offers from people trying to buy it. I don't want to sell it on the principle that it holds more sentimental value to me than I think its worth. Now with Microsoft trying to force new TOS (alongside their accounts) down everyone's throats and the game becoming unplayable anyway due to the constant threat of your account being permanently banned just by sheer existence, I don't know what to do. Do I let the account get lost in the ether as a silent stand against Microsoft? Do I sell the account for a few thousand $? Or do I cave into the petty demands of this large corporation and migrate the account. As a bonus, if I tie it to an email address on one of my domains, nobody will be able to ever buy it. (Without also needing to buy the domain. Assuming you can even make a Microsoft account with a non Microsoft email address). If I fight Microsoft on this then at best I can get a tiny refund for the game.

RugnirViking 3y ago
> constant threat of your account being permanently banned just by sheer existence idk if you never log in this seems somewhat unlikely? Also what in the new TOS is objectionable, I dont know anything about it.
- geraldwhen 3y ago
  Anything you type, even on fully private servers or in single player, can get your account permanently banned.
  - RugnirViking 3y ago
    Is that really true? I see a lot of abject filth on certain servers to this day, it's hard to see how even a simple keyword search for certain particular words wouldn't catch the messages. Or is it something like those people are using the old accounts still and it won't be a thing after this cange?

sc68cal 3y ago

I just tried to migrate my account, and the step where I create a Microsoft account, it fails.

eximius 3y ago

I can't help but wonder if they were legally allowed to do this bullshit anyway. If I failed to migrate my account, are they allowed to deny me access to the product I paid for?