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It blows my mind that someone living downtown in a city the size of Phoenix (relatively large) needs to use a car at all. It’s really a shameful failure of urba
by dangus 4y ago
It blows my mind that someone living downtown in a city the size of Phoenix (relatively large) needs to use a car at all. It’s really a shameful failure of urban planning.
- School-Cotton 4y agoYou’re right, but it’s a bit of a cherry-picked example. Phoenix is probably the most car-required major city in the world.
- 0zemp2c 4y ago[flagged]
- icey 4y agoI drive a couple of times a month... It's not the most walkable city but the downtown area is fairly walkable
- sib 4y agoPhoenix is like LA without the positives
- local_crmdgeon 4y agoHonestly there's not much to recommend about any Southwestern city (outside of Texas), LA included.
- agensaequivocum 4y agoThis is definitely not true.
- sib 4y agoLike LA: Large, sprawling, full of concrete, car-dependent Without the good parts: No media industry, very little tech industry, much less diverse, far fewer good restaurants, no ocean
- abecedarius 4y agoIs a 20th-century mass transit system actually preferable to robocars once the technology is mature? My guess is it's the cities like Austin, planning new transit systems without designing for synergies with robocars, who are failing at urban planning.
- TulliusCicero 4y agoCars take up too much space. Relying on cars instead of mass transit means everything has to be more spread out, which makes walking and biking a lot worse.
- hansworst 4y agoIf everyone can share a small fleet of self driving vehicles, they don’t need to take up a lot of space at all. I’m assuming you were talking about parking space; I don’t see how self driving cars would take up significantly more space than mass transit while on the road.
- _v7gu 4y agoIf a thousand people try to go to work at the same time, the car being driverless or not will not result in less than a thousand cars being driven, and the number of cars in the road is the biggest cause of congestion. However, a bus can carry a hundred people comfortably. Ten buses instead of a thousand cars results in much leas congestion.
- xhkkffbf 4y agoWell, not exactly. The good thing is that automated, centrally booked autonomous systems can run pretty good car pools. Sure human drivers can do this but it's just not as practical. Not at all. So it's possible that those 1000 people might be served by 500, 300 or maybe even 250 autonomous cars.
- TulliusCicero 4y ago> If everyone can share a small fleet of self driving vehicles They cannot. > I don’t see how self driving cars would take up significantly more space than mass transit while on the road. They would take up more space because they're cars. Cars can't get to similar efficiencies of space compared to buses unless you compared packed private cars with sparsely ridden buses. And then of course, there's trains. Perhaps someday we'll have all self driving cars that can safely coordinate and pack themselves into smaller spaces on the road, but that's decades away at a minimum, since you'd first need to get rid of all manually driven cars.
- fooker 4y agoPhoenix has a population density approximately 4.4% of that of NYC.
- zamnos 4y agoIf you need a car to get around, day-to-day, it's not a city but a big suburb.
- unionemployee 4y agoPhoenix and Manhattan have about the same population, but Phoenix has five Manhattans worth of parking.
- dundermuffl1n 4y agoYou must not have walked outside in Phoenix - you can't walk a block in that weather.
- differentView 4y agoThat's a bit extreme. I lived in a city with a similar climate for over a decade and had no problem walking, running, biking, and playing basketball in 110+ degree dry heat. I now live in a relatively humid area and I wouldn't go hiking when it gets over 85 degrees.
- rvnx 4y agoProbably needs replacement of the thermometer because this seems to be above of historical records.
- kortilla 4y agoIt’s not a failure when they achieved their goal. Phoenix and the greater metro is a city for cars.