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This might sound tone deaf but thats seems extremely cheap to me. It means the cost range for chatGPT is between $300m - $500m per year. If the 100m users is a
by pc_edwin 3y ago
This might sound tone deaf but thats seems extremely cheap to me. It means the cost range for chatGPT is between $300m - $500m per year.
If the 100m users is accurate, it means they only need to convert low single digit percentage to paying users to break even.
Now it makes sense why they chose to charge $20/m, I predicted much higher.
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- giarc 3y agoI suspect the number will go higher since right now you are limited to 25 queries every 3 hours. They will definitely introduce higher tiers which removes or expands that limit.
- edf13 3y agoI expect a lot of optimization will come in the next few months (weeks?)... it may be hanging together by threads behinds the scenes - this is often the case when things are moving this quickly.
- jermaustin1 3y agoI have started incorporating ChatGPT into my side project. I'm not integrating it into software or anything like that, but using it as a tool for product ideas, product photo ideas, funny social media captions, figuring out the best hashtags to use, product tagging and categorization. It has proven to be a great way to get everything to around 70%, then send off to my assistant for the remaining 30% of polish. So at $20/month, it was such a no-brainer, that I had to do it. Even at $75/mo it would more than pay for itself. It even understands the concept of a "shit post". So - its more social media savvy than I am, thats for sure.
- javajosh 3y agoIt's almost like ChatGPT is nerd-sniping us all. But we like it and it's useful to us.
- consp 3y agoDon't generalize, I've never used it and never seen any reason to use it.
- seattle_spring 3y agoMy grandma has never used the internet and sees no reason to use it. It would benefit her immensely to use it.
- tinideiznaimnou 3y ago[dead]
- coldpie 3y agoYou should give it a shot, keep an open mind. Yes, it will get things wrong and yes, it will disappoint you. But every conversation I've had with it holds some surprises for me. It's a tool you'll need to learn to use before it actually becomes useful, but give it a couple minutes a few times a week and you'll start to see the diamonds in the rough.
- mnky9800n 3y agoI paid for it, then stopped paying for it. It seemed to be completely novel and fun to use but after a while it just became a pain. I tried writing a library to act as a code assistant for data science but trying to get it to write the codes that were useful to me took around the same amount of time as writing them myself. What you say is completely correct, it gets to around 70% of whatever you ask it to do then you have to finish the job for it. Which I guess is nice. But I'm not going to pay 20$/month for something that i can just use for free that amounts to slightly better intellisense. For text generation, it is much better for tasks like * letter writing * rewriting my writing so i don't plaigerize myself * summarizing several paragraphs into one but all of that is available in the free version.
- BlackSwanMan 3y agoThe cheap version does all of that much worse. I don't understand how people can be so cheap.
- kylecazar 3y agoThere are so many subscription products these days that it makes sense to assess the value of each carefully before committing. If you're like me you tend to forget you're paying for something, and have to do a yearly purge. It's very easy to slowly but surely rack up hundreds of dollars a month in subscription services.
- bemmu 3y agoMy habit is to cancel right away when I start a subscription. You can still use the service for the month you paid for, and it's easy to restart it if you do still find yourself attempting to use it a month later.
- dqft 3y agoSubstack disappointed me because you can't do this. They remove content access if you do not have an "active" subscription. You don't have to pay again to "reactivate", but the paid content is locked until you do. This is obviously intended dark behavior because when I went to fully unsub later in the month they gave me a special dialog and a free month hoping for me to forget again this month. Very lame.
- octopoc 3y agoI've been using it for product ideas as well. Occasionally it's brilliant but sometimes it's so bad it's funny, like when it suggested Seven-Year Itch for a perfume brand.
- jermaustin1 3y agoI actually like to make the bad ones. It is fun. It is an exercise in creative engineering. Especially since my side project is making home goods for stoners.
- mym1990 3y agoDon't they say something about seemingly brilliant ideas being too obvious or usually not working out, and the terrible ones being the ones that are have more potential to be diamonds in the rough?
- phkahler 3y ago>> it's so bad it's funny, like when it suggested Seven-Year Itch for a perfume brand. Yeah, what's wrong with that? I'm sure it would be catchy to a particular demographic. No need for a brand to cater to everyone.
- fennecfoxy 3y agoBut also it would heavily depend on the context they gave it when asking it to generate that. Because GPT is capable of: doing marketing, math, science stuff, programming and anything else to a junior-semi advanced level, it needs to be prompted and given context to get it into the right "mood" for doing what you want it to. There's a huge difference between casually chatting to it about various topics before suddenly asking what a good perfume brand would be. Versus providing it with the fragrances used in the perfumes that the brand makes, the general goals/image that the company wants to set, their target demographic etc and _then_ asking for a brand name suggestion. I'd be keen to see how they asked.
- williamcotton 3y agoThat is a great name for a perfume brand! It’s also the name of a comedy by Billy Wilder staring Marylyn Monroe. Market it to rich old ladies.
- noloblo 3y agoarchive link unpaywall : https://archive.ph/Txq8r https://archive.ph/Txq8r better source : https://tech.slashdot.org/story/23/04/18/1326235/microsoft-readies-ai-chip-as-machine-learning-costs-surge https://tech.slashdot.org/story/23/04/18/1326235/microsoft-r...
- robomartin 3y ago> It has proven to be a great way to get everything to around 70%, then send off to my assistant for the remaining 30% of polish. So at $20/month, it was such a no-brainer, that I had to do it. Yup. I bought accounts for everyone here. We are using it as what I have been calling a "force multiplier". We are not and cannot use it for coding, yet, things like presentations, analyzing logs, creating lists of things, researching topics, etc. It's a great time saver. Also, for a lot of things ChatGPT is a much better search engine than Google. It gets you great answers and almost always the first time you ask. In case the question comes up: We don't use it for coding because of potential liability concerns. At this point I feel that is a space that has not been explored at all. I have no interest in being a pioneer in a lawsuit that claims negligence due to the use of AI-generated code, even if it is reviewed by a human. The combination of fear-mongering and tech-challenged juries could make for very expensive outcomes. I posed a question about this here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35655521 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35655521
- coffeebeqn 3y agoAs long as you train everyone to understand that it hallucinates and that you need to double check any numbers or other real facts.
- MuffinFlavored 3y agoWhat does it cost to run per day versus what did it cost to train?
- lumost 3y agoThese costs are falling by factors of 2 every year based solely on hardware progress ( gpu tech has beat Moore’s law for DNNs the last several years). ChatGPT may become much cheaper to operate/train in the future.
- wouldbecouldbe 3y agoThat's just server costs, not labor hours for support, management & innovation.
- nathancahill 3y agoYeah think of all the labor hours, how many people do they have back there typing up the answers?
- warent 3y agoAnd who pays the tiny people in my magic light box to draw the answers on the window?!
- ElFitz 3y agoThose don’t count. They’re fairies, not people. Why on Earth would you pay fairies?
- tilne 3y agoDo you know the answer?
- c0balt 3y agoYou, at least somewhat. They get soul shard futures and once you die can realize them to acquire a part of you soul.
- imranq 3y agoI thought they were on contract? hopefully they don't go on strike again at the same time the power went out like last time
- ren_engineer 3y agointeresting that the article mentions Microsoft is trying to build their own AI chips to help reduce cost, they are years behind Google in that effort. Google still has the advantage in both research and hardware, they just fumbled the execution but it's still very early in the game
- barkerja 3y ago> they are years behind Google in that effort. Google still has the advantage in both research and hardware, they just fumbled the execution but it's still very early in the game Where do we think Apple is in regards to this? If anyone has the upper-hand here with hardware, I would think it'd be Apple. But there's been zero indication that Apple has been working on any sort of generative AI.
- rvnx 3y agoLocal Siri for June WWDC :)
- kolinko 3y agoApple already has a super-efficient neural engine in all their chips - it's just a matter of them building dedicated models for them.
- yunohn 3y agoApple has stuffed their consumer hardware with high-end chips - that are completely under-utilised by themselves and restricted for third-party apps…
- pr337h4m 3y agoThis was very promising: https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/stable-diffusion-coreml-apple-silicon https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/stable-diffusion-...
- behnamoh 3y agoThe past 3 years showed that Google is not as ahead as people thought they were.
- rvnx 3y agoThis is cheaper than running Twitter which is a CRUD app
- rabuse 3y agoEverything highly profitable is basically a CRUD app
- mcny 3y agoYou're absolutely right. At the end of the day, all we are doing is create, read, update, and delete data. I mean if you take away all the complexity associated with ranking and scale (not everything has to be Google scale), that is exactly what a web search is as well, right? I remember reading a post by a maintainer saying their job is to manipulate strings or something to that effect. iirc it was a gofmt maintainer who said that but I can't find that post now.
- thrthrthr88 3y ago[flagged]
- xyst 3y agoThat’s just on computing power. You are forgetting the human costs of ongoing development, maintenance of ChatGPT, power, SRE/operations, cooling costs, and et cetera. Now M$ is planning to create a specialized chip for AI which comes with its own R&D budget and ongoing costs. If it proves successful, ChatGPT will become a household brand and M$ could easily ask for $500 per month or more for professional/corporate usage.
- naikrovek 3y agoI like how you abbreviate "Microsoft" as "M$". It means you think of them without bias and with a clear head. /s
- tedivm 3y agoSeeing that brought me back to 2006.
- ilyt 3y agoIf you see public company as something other than vehicle to make $$$ for the investor it's you that might have bias problem.
- staticman2 3y agoYou know people only do that with Microsoft, right? It's not done to make a statement about public companies.
- deadbolt 3y agoM$ has been a rather common abbreviation for Microsoft since at least slashdot days.
- williamcotton 3y agoBill Gates as Borg.
- naikrovek 3y ago
- onlyrealcuzzo 3y agoThe problem with this model is that if ChatGPT really is "good enough" now - many others will be "good enough" soon, and then it's a race to the bottom.
- dreadlordbone 3y agothat's a feature not a bug
- coffeebeqn 3y agoNot a problem for the users
- raydev 3y ago> If the 100m users is accurate Users or accounts? I made an account but I use it approximately once every two weeks for about 30 minutes at a time, as it hasn't been that useful for me (needs more up-to-date info after September 2021). I imagine many people made an account but only a small percentage are using it meaningfully often. Also users are limited in the number of requests they can make. I have a feeling ChatGPT is actually very expensive to run, and they are burning cash like crazy. If they weren't burning cash to run the thing, it would be more widely available.