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Leader of Online Group Where Secret Documents Leaked Is Air National Guardsman
- KarlKemp 4y agoThe New York Times figuring this out faster than the FBI is quite impressive.
- BryantD 4y agoNot proven by facts in evidence! The FBI prioritizes (in theory) successful prosecution. It’s entirely possible that there are agents watching the guy while a judge processes a warrant.
- ratg13 4y agoIt's also entirely possible that it's a coincidence and they just want to talk to him to see if he may know who may have leaked the documents. They should be able to track his e-mail and his access and already know whether or not he accessed the documents directly.
- AnimalMuppet 4y agoIn a case like this, wouldn't the FBI prioritize stopping further leaking?
- jjulius 4y agoI'd assume they're not concerned about further leaks from this individual A.) if they've already identified him and have been monitoring him, and B.) he realizes the gravity of his situation and is spooked, resulting in him not leaking anything else since this story blew up. It would be on other bodies (correct me if I'm wrong) to review and adjust the internal practices around the handling of confidential documents, and how this can be prevented moving forward. Edit: Aaaaaaand he's in custody.
- pseudo0 4y agoSo once the suspect is identified, do you: 1. Swoop in and arrest them immediately Or 2. Do comprehensive physical and electronic surveillance for say 24-72 hours to see if they try to get in contact with foreign nationals, and investigate whether they have a "dead man's switch" to release more documents? Option 2 makes more sense to me. When cleaning this situation up it will be essential to know what he leaked and who he leaked it to. Unfortunately the NYT and Bellingcat may have forced law enforcement to move prematurely. That or friendly media got a tipoff to establish the desired narrative while the government does the "no comment during an active investigation" line.
- BryantD 4y agoFollow up for posterity: the arrest affidavit is public. The FBI had the guy’s name and location on the 12th, one day before The NY Times article. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.255930/gov.uscourts.mad.255930.3.1.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.255...
- r721 4y ago>Later, someone who appeared to be Airman Teixeira drove onto the property in a red pickup truck. >When Times reporters approached the house again, the truck was parked in the driveway. Airman Teixeira’s mother and a man were standing outside in the driveway. >When asked if Airman Teixeira was there and willing to speak, the man said: “He needs to get an attorney if things are flowing the way they are going right now. The Feds will be around soon, I’m sure.” Looks like he didn't try to flee.
- stefan_ 4y agoIt's crazy that hes still out. Everyone learned of the name "Thug Shaker Central" 5 days ago, yet the government can't subpoena Discord for the 20 odd people on there and match it with enlisted? One of these "what is all that money going to" moments.
- prpl 4y agospending too much time on parallel construction I’m sure
- cameldrv 4y agoWhy do you assume they haven't?
- radicaldreamer 4y agoI'm sure he's under surveillance but there's no reason to arrest him until the case is airtight and they've followed all the strands
- nobody9999 4y ago> I'm sure he's under surveillance but there's no reason to arrest him until the case is airtight and they've followed all the strands As I just posted[0], my local news just showed video of folks in military garb handcuffing a young guy in mufti. They say it was Jack Teixeira and I have no reason to doubt that. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35560644 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35560644
- danso 4y agoNon-paywall link: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/13/world/documents-leak-leaker-identity.html?unlocked_article_code=VjdzLF38gKio8pVo4lNwqv8kLJgoITop2g4-Fj1n7_USCNe9UZECA8P6UbV3vKeWum5mSiINiVdt9C_GSQL9HWsNkTE6w_1vq009Bkb2PdBzaPzWUTrRt4A_uxZQoQcL7o8l_SEXmkIMLljBch8-4-B0cNu9-f6pdf68AYU7xKprFh6kcv9wybk4bL-PBb7s1jOnUGhf-s1OhJkKBSDir7Y295t2YN-ERrHs6mSXangj12naswTY4IUq3PnajCk2yBDBs2ArmtDfuRS-nUZGbux0pWchNabCBsJPFXovQvTdpFvECCgIlb3_IzyS0OAMUxhXJd0UWVhFGq3z5jhT6yYYNmNe&giftCopy=1_CurrentCopy&smid=url-share https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/13/world/documents-leak-leak... Main reporter tweeted: > (Found him through his Steam profile, will write a step-by-step on the process at some point) https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1646545031493308421 https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1646545031493308421
- etimberg 4y agoLikely going to go away for a long while
- lsh123 4y agoI am sure FBI will find that "Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case." as it usually does in cases of leaking classified info :) :) :)
- HillRat 4y agoHe's going to be court martialed for a UCMJ Article 106(a) violation. Even if he were hauled up in a civilian court, he's got nothing to bargain with -- he transmitted classified military and IC docs to foreign citizens for the Discord clout, so has nothing to graymail with and no information about foreign intelligence services to trade. Dude's absolutely, completely, comprehensively screwed, and is going to spend the next few decades bunking in a Leavenworth six-by cell.
- refulgentis 4y agoYeah secretary of state having IT set up a server for her blackberry in 2006 is the same as a 22 year old forcing 16 year olds on his discord to read top secret docs
- zaroth 4y agoOnly in the sense that they both broke federal laws on the handling of classified documents. But only one of them will go to prison for it.
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- localplume 4y agoIs based off anything or just unnecessary political dividing rhetoric? If you want to be mad at a president pardoning a traitor be mad at Obama, since that was something that actually happened.
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- ChumpGPT 4y agoWould a guy in his position even have access to these documents? I'm thinking that there has to be someone who shared them or at least shared a way to gain access to them. I'm sure the FBI will be following the trail of bread crumbs to the original source. Now if it turns out he is the original source, we're in huge trouble. Because a 21 year old kid working night shift in some remote Cape Cod office for the Massachusetts Air National Guard shouldn't have this type of access.
- morpheuskafka 4y agoI agree. He claimed to have been working inside a SCIF on a regular basis. I'm sure the National Guard would have or have access to such a facility, and have the necessary clearances. But I don't see how an inactive or active-for-training guardsman could have a need to access that much information.
- thewildginger 4y agoThere are 19 year olds with TS clearances. Some jobs just require it. It can be written into an enlistment contract. National guard and reserve units of different kinds are also kind of known for having serious racism problems. Racists use it to network and meet other racists, get the training and some credibility without actually committing to active duty. That shit in active duty is not tolerated, usually cause it's actually diverse unlike a reserve unit in a place like Massachusetts. Another problem with clearances in general is that often those eligible come from less diverse backgrounds due to parental citizenship considerations. fields that require a clearance are often less diverse because of this. People who have some time in the military probably won't be surprised if the situation is what the media is portraying it to be. As Abraham Lincoln pointed out about the US, the biggest problems for the country will come from within.
- morpheuskafka 4y agoYeah, my question was not that he got the clearance (presumably his MOS required it, whether full-time active or not), but why he was going into a facility and getting these documents when his unit was not called into active federal duty. There wouldn't have been any need to know so he shouldn't have had access since you need both a clearance and need to know.
- 2022-11-07 4y agoThis story just doesn't compute with me. A young guy (21) seemingly had access to all this information, and shared it despite being Portuguese (based on his last name) so seemingly not ethnically tied to Russia, shared it openly on Discord with his gaming club, a full document dump literally hundreds of pages not just screenshots or summaries, but not before faking some of the information, coordinated by a group that has members in Ukraine so seemingly they don't love Russia, the NYT knows more than Biden simply by having honed in internet stalking tactics, everyone and his Mom gave media interviews on request, and the one picture the media could find of him he's standing in the shadows like Batman. EDIT: I don't why I'm replying to everyone, yall are too much. I'm not conceding but I'm "deleting" my account so I'm not tempted to keep defending myself.
- dogma1138 4y agoThis makes more sense than some Cold War spy thriller story. The amount of times people leaked classified information to win an argument on the Warthunder forums and discord alone proves that intelligence agencies have nothing on borderline teens that want to score points on the internet.
- 2022-11-07 4y agoName the most nonsensical camp b-rated Bollywood spy thriller you've ever seen, one where actors land on their feet after getting blown 50 feet into the air. It still makes more sense than this.
- nobody9999 4y ago>Name the most nonsensical camp b-rated Bollywood spy thriller you've ever seen, one where actors land on their feet after getting blown 50 feet into the air. It still makes more sense than this. Why does it it need to "make sense" -- to you (or me, for that matter)? I'm sure it made sense to this kid, at least on some level(s). I remember when I was 21. I did all kinds of stupid shit -- often for no reason other than I felt like it at the moment -- even when I regretted it later. I'm probably lucky I didn't have a security clearance or I might have ended up just like this kid. And I keep using that word: kid. And it absolutely does mean what I think it means. A 21 year old is (with very few exceptions) not yet an adult[0]: Although the brain stops growing in size by early adolescence, the teen years are all about fine-tuning how the brain works. The brain finishes developing and maturing in the mid-to-late 20s. The part of the brain behind the forehead, called the prefrontal cortex, is one of the last parts to mature. This area is responsible for skills like planning, prioritizing, and making good decisions. [0] https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-teen-brain-7-things-to-know https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-teen-brain-...
- expertentipp 4y agoThat's a kid. Others kids are killing each other frantically in Eastern Europe. Where are all adults?!
- butler14 4y agoThe various 70 year olds heads of state? They, er … kinda the ones who started it
- InCityDreams 4y agoBlowing the shit out of the kids that haven't learned to duck, yet.
- rasz 4y agoThey dont look like kids to me https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1646576755359055894 https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1646576755359055894
- lkjdlkjfkljv2 4y agoManning got 35 years, although her sentence was commuted by Obama because she was arguably a "whistleblower." Makes you wonder if Russian agents somehow got in his head. Impressionable 21 year old kids with access to the boss's computer to update IE will do stupdi things for the "100" reaction emoji on Discord.
- bink 4y agoIf you read the Washington Post article it's pretty clear he was showing off for some online friends. He was even getting mad that they weren't paying attention.
- tmpz22 4y agoIt doesn't take a dedicated agent to impact an impressionable 21 year old. Just the right sequence of Youtube Shorts and TikTok clips.
- _8j50 4y ago"Once you get past the perimeter, all bets are off" is the military's approach to security. This pervasive thinking has caused a lot of nightmares in infosec with the likes of Lockheed introducing "cyber killchain" to big corporations. They focus on the perimeter and who gets access and how. They essentially have RBAC but not mandatory access control. Your role gets you past a perimeter or a security control but access to data is granted implicitly not explicitly. What the infosec community has learned is that defense is best done "in depth" or "layered". Even if he needed that information for his work and permission was given to him explicitly why was he allowed to download files? Why was he able to get any sort of electronics in or out of any facility that stored top secret information? How come there was no DLP or hard to defeat watermarking on documents? Document canaries to detect a leak? I mean even in a typical corporate O365 deployment, you can classify documents so that they are encrypted by MSIP so even if you take the document home and open it, you need to authenticate to decrypt it (and that is logged of course), he can take screenshots but you can monitor that too and he needs to get that screenshot out (and hopefully TS clearance computers don't have internet access or USB ports or mass storage device support). I don't agree that the problem is a million people have clearance. That clearance should mean you will be allowed to request access to documente and have that granted if you need those specific docs, it shouldn't mean access is implied. And a bit controversial take: this is why the USG can't go easy or forget about assange or snowden and others. They can make a case in court or convince a jury they had no option but to leak classified info but DoJ would be incompetent if it didn't go after all leakers regardless of context.
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- nobody9999 4y agoI just saw video on my local news that appears to be military personnel taking Jack Teixeira into custody.
- r721 4y agoThis one? https://twitter.com/WCVB/status/1646581173185904640 https://twitter.com/WCVB/status/1646581173185904640
- nobody9999 4y agoI can't see twitter. Nor do I wish to. Is it a young guy in a brown/grey t-shirt and red shorts with his hands on his head walking backwards past what appears to be an Army truck and being handcuffed by armed folks in military garb? If so, then yes.
- somedude895 4y agoIt used to be you could make a movie about this because it would involve spies and treason or somesuch. Today's national security risk is some guy wanting recognition from his couple online friends.
- antibasilisk 4y agoIt's pretty funny that the US has to deal with both a recruitment crisis, and the fact that the recruits they manage to get are willing to be charged under the espionage act for the sake of internet arguments. They really just can't catch a break