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Elizabeth Holmes to begin 11-year prison sentence at end of month
- Snoo7654 4y agoShe should have fled the country while she had the chance
- gizajob 4y agoShe might have even thought that she even had the clout and the skills (getting pregnant) to even defeat the justice system though.
- ALittleLight 4y agoGiven what she did manage, who could blame her for thinking this?
- TacticalCoder 4y agoThat's a line of thought I often see but... In the end all she did manage was to land herself in jail for 11 years. That's not "genius". Not even smart. That's just plain dumb. To win a stupid prize, it takes a stupid person to play a stupid game. And I cannot wait to see the stupid prize that "altruistic genius" SBF gets.
- gizajob 4y agoAgreed, but not only stupid, she has some kind of sociopathic disorder which is what's causing all this chaos. And the pretty disgraceful idea to bring lives into the world that would depend on her to try and get herself out of it. I can't help but see her having children as yet another calculated, cynical and nutty move on her part.
- sdfghswe 4y agoWasn't there a story that she was waiting out of jail and booked a flight without return and was immediately arrested?
- belter 4y ago"Elizabeth Holmes Booked A One-Way Flight To Mexico After Fraud Conviction, Prosecutors Say" - https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2023/01/20/elizabeth-holmes-booked-a-one-way-flight-to-mexico-after-fraud-conviction-prosecutors-say/?sh=3e56cc5260cc https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2023/01/20/eliza...
- sdfghswe 4y agoThis story makes me happy that justice works some times.
- toomuchtodo 4y agoPeople in this thread are confusing satisfaction in the justice system for schadenfreude. It’s just nice to see people who have done wrong held accountable.
- sdfghswe 4y agoI'm not confusing anything.
- olliej 4y agoYet she still wasn't immediately incarcerated.
- bpodgursky 4y agoLook, this story is stupid. It was a 3-leg trip she speculatively booked while appealing her sentence. If she was genuinely trying to flee the country, she would not have booked a 1-way flight months ahead of time. She can afford a round trip ticket, bought at the airport on the day of departure. Or fled across the Mexico border. Or smuggled herself out on a boat. There are SO MANY ways to flee the country that are not shouting "HEY FYI TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT — I'M LEAVING FOR A BIT".
- vkou 4y agoMaybe I'm not the kind of risk taker that steals a billion dollars, but 11 years playing golf with Martha Stewart and Bernie Madoff at Club Fed sounds vastly preferable to being on the run for your entire life. Even getting into a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty isn't going to help you. An extradition treaty is just a streamlined process for extraditing criminals - unless you're a natural citizen, or there's a particular geopolitical reason (Snowden), there's ~zero reason for why your host country won't make a one-off exemption for you.
- wisnoskij 4y agoBeing on the run is not exactly the same thing as living in some 10 million dollar mansion in some non-extradition country. What would the feds be willing to pay for her? Snowden got asylum so some minor power could piss off and show up a geo-political rival. She would just gift 1 million dollars to some king who would just claim that she was not in his county when America came asking for her extradition.
- fhrow4484 4y ago> 11 years playing golf Not quite sure there's a golf course there. Here's an overview of the same jail a "real housewives of salt lake city" is in. https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/7141761/jen-shahs-prison-life-cold-cells-18-cents-pay/amp/ https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/7141761/jen-shahs-pris... "It’s unclear why Shah asked to serve at that specific prison but People says other notable inmates who have been sent to the Bryan camp have included Hidalgo County, Texas, Commissioner Sylvia Handy; Jenna Ryan, who participated in the January 6 Capitol attack; and Lea Fastow, a former assistant treasurer at Enron." https://www.kbtx.com/2023/01/08/reality-tv-star-wants-serve-prison-sentence-bryan/ https://www.kbtx.com/2023/01/08/reality-tv-star-wants-serve-... I wonder if the buildings have A/C. Summer in Texas can be pretty hot
- nobody9999 4y ago>Maybe I'm not the kind of risk taker that steals a billion dollars, but 11 years playing golf with Martha Stewart and Bernie Madoff at Club Fed sounds vastly preferable to being on the run for your entire life. Except Martha Stewart was released from prison 18 years ago[0], Bernie Madoff is male, so is in a men's prison and those with Federal prison sentences of ten years or longer are not eligible for minimum security (or "club fed", as you put it) facilities[1]. As such, she will likely serve her sentence in a "low security" facility rather than a "minimum security" facility[2]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Stewart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Stewart [1] I searched around and couldn't find the specific rules. However, I posted here (several years ago, not going to go through a few hundred pages of posting history to find it. Sorry.) about wanting to commit a non-violent, Federal felony and receive a long Federal prison sentence in a minimum security ("club fed") facility as a retirement strategy on a par with Medicaid funded assisted living facilities. The former not requiring you to spend all your assets (okay, you can keep $2000) to be eligible. I was informed, with links that sentences of ten years or more are not eligible for Federal minimum security facilities.
- Traubenfuchs 4y agoWhere would you even go? Who‘d even want you? Russia? A life in either one of the few countries that doesn‘t do extraditions to the USA or staying in hiding, always afraid, sounds miserable.
- etrautmann 4y agoSure, but compared to jail? I could imaging preferring living in a small cabin off the grid in some remote place as an alternative. She obviously deserves it, but in the hypothetical case the alternatives don’t seem all that terrible.
- Traubenfuchs 4y agoI guess living in a weird, alien place til death with your stolen millions is better than 16 years in prison.
- oh_sigh 4y agoPrison for 11 years, realistically prison for 5 years and then a supervised release. It's not the end of the world. And she will still be able to see her kids by doing this.
- mikeyouse 4y agoNo, Federal prisons aren't subject to parole or supervised release. There are limited credits for good behavior that max out at 15% of her sentence so the best possible outcome for her is serving 9 years and 7 months of her 135 month sentence. She won't be out of prison before 2033.
- tschwimmer 4y agoHolmes was charged with a federal crime and there is currently no parole for federal crimes. [0] She will do almost all of the 11 years. There is a good conduct reduction, which caps out at 54 days a year, so it's possible she could get out in 9 1/2 years. [1] [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_parole_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_parole_in_the_United_S... [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_conduct_time#:~:text=Good%20conduct%20time%2C%20good%20time,and%2For%20crimes%20while%20incarcerated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_conduct_time#:~:text=Good....
- oh_sigh 4y agoDoes she even have any considerable assets? Fleeing the country and living like a queen in Bahrain is totally different from fleeing the country and needing to work for a living still.
- mannerheim 4y agoHer baby daddy's family owns a luxury hotel chain, so presumably she wouldn't have to work. https://www.evanshotels.com/ https://www.evanshotels.com/
- bruceb 4y agoShe is too famous and/or isn't rich enough to do this.
- craigmcnamara 4y agoOn one hand she's a crook. On the other hand she scammed Ruper Murdoch, Kissinger, the DeVos family and a bunch of other ghouls that deserve to be robbed. I guess in the end there we're more innocent victims than ghouls taken to the cleaners.
- fred_is_fred 4y agoThen there's the people who were told they had cancer (or that they didn't). It wasn't just a bunch of assholes who were hurt in this.
- nobody9999 4y ago>I guess in the end there we're more innocent victims than ghouls taken to the cleaners. Yes. There were[0]. Not sure why you'd give Holmes points for defrauding folks as well though. Do you really think she would have acted differently if the investors were Mother Teresa[1] and similar? [0] https://archive.is/bauWr https://archive.is/bauWr (Wall Street Journal) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa
- henrikschroder 4y agoMother Teresa was a pretty terrible person, she's not someone you want to hold up as an example of a good person.
- philll 4y agogood
- greenyoda 4y agoBig discussion earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35528281 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35528281
- danielmarkbruce 4y agoMaybe she can take the 11 years to learn the science and engineering behind blood testing.
- gazook 4y ago[flagged]
- __warlord__ 4y agoAnd finish school :P
- Overtonwindow 4y agoI never thought it would happen. I thought surely she would be deemed too pretty, too smart, or something, and not go to jail. I do not believe she thinks she did anything wrong
- ddod 4y agoIt's odd how vilified Holmes has become, and how gleeful people--even in these comments--are at her lengthy prison sentence for a nonviolent crime. She faked it until she (didn't) make it--a strategy praised in other startup narratives. Most of that faking involved secretly running blood tests on traditional test equipment instead of her in-development devices. I believe there were a handful of tests done on their development devices that returned questionable results for actual patients, which I'm hoping is where all the angry people are focused. But to that point, how accurate and responsible are traditional testing facilities? I personally have had my bloodwork mixed up with someone else's, causing quite a lot of anxiety and extra work from me to sort out. There are countless instances of labs forging results[0][1], making mistakes[2], and issues with equipment[3] (citations are just the most easily at hand). Some of the stories cited resulted in criminal convictions, like 3 years for someone who faked thousands of drug-test results leading to false convictions. Compared to what Holmes did, it's hard to see how 11 years (and our society's complete fascination and vilification of her) is appropriate. [0] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/epic-drug-lab-scandal-results-more-20-000-convictions-dropped-n747891 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/epic-drug-lab-scandal-r... [1] https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/dec/13/scathing-report-into-queensland-dna-lab-failures-finds-thousands-of-criminal-cases-need-revisiting https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/dec/13/scath... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-63795285 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-63795285 [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_of_Heilbronn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_of_Heilbronn
- olliej 4y agoUm, they hounded at least one person to suicide, and produced erroneous results for people with life threatening conditions. I'm not sure how you get to "non violent" from there, but you do you.
- ddod 4y ago"Nonviolent" does have a pretty straightforward definition that I think you can differentiate from your examples if you were inclined to judge impartially. When you're predisposed to an opinion, it's easy to come up with justifications. Often those result in misreading/misinterpreting information and then spreading that misinformation for more folks to use as justification. I don't want to draft a speculative narrative about someone else's life (or its sad end) but I will say that your first allegation sounds like a misinterpretation of the events, at least from reading the Wikipedia article about who you're referring to.
- olliej 4y agoReally quite amazing how she was literally convicted more than a year ago, and has been able to remain out of prison since then. When plenty of people - generally lower income - end up in jail before they've been to trial, let alone be convicted - that someone found guilty, and with the ability and repeated attempts to leave the country is allowed to stay in a palatial mansion is utter BS.
- cameronfraser 4y agoUnited state prison is inhumane I don't care who you are or what you did, it's not an ethical form of punishment or rehabilitation.
- AHOHA 4y agoAll her mistake was scamming the protected class, if it was your typical scam, she’d be giving TED talks by now..