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I’m easy prey to any article mentioning a Beatle, but I found that quite interesting. When watching that recent Beatles doco “Get Back” about the making of Let
by LeonB 4y ago
I’m easy prey to any article mentioning a Beatle, but I found that quite interesting.
When watching that recent Beatles doco “Get Back” about the making of Let it be, it was fascinating to see how John and Paul had a way of putting musical ideas back and forth between them — but when a tune wasn’t yet “ready” to move out of that duo of composers then they did not want George to get involved. And I saw Paul getting the most frustrated by this - that George would add some embellishment or input - and Paul would feel like it was a set back and a distraction.
So strange to see it unfolding!
It was like this. Imagine two people (John and Paul) are working together to build a life size puppet/model of a character using wire and bolts. The two of them are constantly changing the shape of the character as they evolve the idea. But then a third person comes along, who happens to be the worlds best papier-mâché artist, and he starts putting papier-mâché “skin” over the half constructed character. They all get upset with each other. The world expert papier-mâché artist is hurt, the modellers are frustrated, it’s total chaos.
Anyway - it was a tough position for George to be in, that was pretty clear.
- jmmcd 4y agoGreat comment and we see the same tension in many other collaborative areas. When designing software interfaces we deliberately use wireframes to prevent people from trying to add detail prematurely. But the place that bothers me the most is when writing papers. I can't find an approach that works well for all teams, or even for myself working alone - do I write the experiments and results first, or do I try to shape the overall message first, ...
- havblue 4y agoWhen you think of the primary roles of each member, this conflict definitely makes sense. John: rhythm guitar. Paul: piano and bass. George: lead guitar. The Beatles catalog is very accessible so it follows that they put a lot of effort to avoid getting bogged down in, as the movie Amadeus put it, "too many notes".
- tiahura 4y agoI saw Get Back as a complete vindication of Yoko Ono. Yoko wasn’t the wedge that drove the Beatles apart, it was George.
- prof-dr-ir 4y agoOn that subject I enjoyed https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/arts/music/yoko-ono-beatles-get-back.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/arts/music/yoko-ono-beatl... .
- least 4y agoI find myself just really annoyed with the author here. Yoko may not have been the catalyst for breaking up the Beatles, but let's not pretend like she was advancing feminism just by being present in the studio, much to the dismay of the other members of the Beatles [1]. She's just being rude in the same way it'd be rude for someone to be standing next to me while I'm on the toilet. She might not be doing anything but her presence is certainly disruptive. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Na7ZY7W3pk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Na7ZY7W3pk
- freejazz 4y agoHave you been in a band? You wouldn't be annoyed at Yoko, you'd be annoyed at John for bringing her into practice like that and insisting that she belongs...
- least 4y ago> Have you been in a band? Yes, I have. > You wouldn't be annoyed at Yoko, you'd be annoyed at John for bringing her into practice like that and insisting that she belongs... I'd be annoyed with both for different reasons.
- freejazz 4y agoWell John brought her in and insisted that she be there because she was part of him and he couldn't do it without her there, so I don't know why you'd be annoyed at her tbh. John was being incredibly obnoxious and obviously trying to get his bandmates riled up about it.
- RHSman2 4y agoIt is really a special thing. Very similar to Theodore trying to get involved in The Big Lebowski and Walter shooting him down, everytime
- stonecolddevin 4y agoI am the Walrus.