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I like Jiang Shigong's perspective on all of these "Two Sides" "Cold War" articles: >The reason why I emphasize here that this is a new type of “world empire,”
by RedCondor 3y ago
I like Jiang Shigong's perspective on all of these "Two Sides" "Cold War" articles:
>The reason why I emphasize here that this is a new type of “world empire,” instead of accepting Darwin’s “world-system” designation or the usual “liberal international order” from international political theory, is that the theory of sovereign states obscures the imperial essence of Western hegemony. This “new imperial history” narrative, based on postmodern theory, diminishes the political dimension of imperialism. The framing of “U.S.-China relations” or “U.S.-China competition” that is so commonplace today, premised on the concept of sovereign states, is actually deceptive and misleading. It is deceptive and misleading to portray China and the United States as two equal sovereign states, ignoring the three faces of modern Western imperialism, and the fact that the imperial system of the United States is even more complex than the British Empire’s ever was. The United States operates an imperial arrangement within its continental territory, followed by a second imperial core in the form of the Five Eyes alliance, followed by a system of vassal states in the guise of allies such as the military domination systems of Europe, East Asia, and the Middle East, operates Latin America as a “backyard,” and, of course, it also has control over other supplementary “world-systems” such as the Internet, finance, and trade. Thus, the U.S.-China relationship is better characterized as China, a rising sovereign state, facing the U.S.-dominated world empire or world system. It’s not a question of managing a relationship between two sovereign states, but a question of how China faces the U.S.-dominated world empire. The “U.S.-China decoupling” that has been the focus of public discussion in recent years would be better understood as an effort on the part of the U.S. to expel China from the “world imperial system.” Therefore, the U.S.-China struggle is not only about the fate of the two countries, but also about the future of the world order itself, i.e., is the whole world subservient to the U.S.-dominated world empire, or will it establish truly equal international relations between sovereign states? When the U.S. and Soviet superpowers were trying to build two different types of world empires, the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) that emerged in countries like India and China intended to create a more fair and rational international order. Today’s U.S.-China rivalry represents a struggle over these two world visions and the shared destiny of humanity.
https://redsails.org/jiang-on-empire/ https://redsails.org/jiang-on-empire/
edit: Some HN anti-"spam" mechanism is restricting me from replying to people downstream. I'll try to get around to it later. Anyone saying "China also wants an empire" or "Empire is inevitable" is categorically wrong, though, or at the very least has not at all engaged with the essay above.
As Jiang Shigong points out, Lenin's imperialism isn't the incorrect and idealist "power thirst expansionism" of liberal theory, which doesn't really explain anything. It's the inevitable outcome of fully developed capitalism. If China continues to be socialist and repress their capitalists, they'll easily be able to inaugurate a new and pluralist peaceful era.
It has nothing to do with idealism or with good morals, but rather with optimal economic planning and carving out one's own course.
After all, fewer and fewer people in China covet the arrangement that the U.S. built up for itself:
>Eurasia Group Foundation finds “28% of Chinese respondents reported an unfavourable view of the US, up from 17% a year earlier, while the number reporting a favourable view fell to 39% from 58%.”
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3126180/chinas-millennials-generation-z-leading-nation-away-hollywood https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3126180/c...
>According to Harvard University’s large-scale 2003-2016 study tracking the evolution of public opinion via 32,000 individual respondents, at the time of the study’s conclusion “95.5 percent of respondents were either ‘relatively satisfied’ or ‘highly satisfied’ with Beijing.”
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/ https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-sur...
>According to data from polling firm Dalia Research cited by Bloomberg News, 84% of Chinese believe “Democracy is important” and 73% agree with the statement “My country is democratic.” For comparison, here are some other countries and their equivalent scores: Brazil (83/51), Japan (60/46), U.S. (73/49), Germany (85/67).
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/which-nations-are-democracies-some-citizens-might-disagree https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/which-...
As for voices around the world:
>Though it came as a shock to Western audiences, who understand China to be a tyrannical state-capitalist authoritarian regime, observers in the imperial periphery have always seen things rather differently. As far back as 2004, Fidel Castro argued that “China has objectively become the most promising hope and the best example for all Third World countries,” [4] and in August 2014, he reaffirmed this sanguine outlook: “Xi Jinping is one of the strongest and most capable revolutionary leaders I have met in my life.” [5] In May 2018, Professor Yanis Varoufakis, former Greek Minister of Finance, assuaged an anxious member of the audience at a Cambridge Forum: “I have to tell you that, from my understanding of China, it’s a very interesting social experiment, in the sense that at the local level or the regional level you now have a boisterous democracy, with popular success stories in overthrowing local authorities, local bureaucrats who have been corrupt.” [6] Later that same year, before his 2019 ouster in a US-backed coup, Evo Morales said “I trust China very much. China has always accompanied us in many of our aspirations in the social, cultural, political and economic spheres” [7] and that “China’s support and aid to Bolivia’s economic and social development never attaches any political conditions.” [8] In 2020 the former Liberian Minister for Public Works W. Gyude Moore bluntly wrote “China has built more infrastructure in Africa in two decades than the West has in centuries, China is also our friend,” [9] and in 2021 Iran signed a 25-year cooperation agreement with China. Despite the vehement insistence of Western punditry, world consensus against China’s “tyranny” fails to materialize.
https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/ https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/
Generally speaking the world doesn't envy America, and those who do envy America tend to go there, creating a distorted idea that everyone would go to America if they could. In reality, America is something that the rest of us have had to deal with without recourse. Its driving principles—capitalism—are not eternal, nor inevitable.
- reb 3y agoI haven't bumped into his work before, this was an interesting read. What do you like about it?
- RedCondor 3y agoI think presenting the situation like "China and the U.S. are fighting beneath the waves" sweeps under the rug how the preceding state of affairs—unchallenged U.S. dominance—was utilized by the U.S. to cut off countries like Cuba from the internet or finance with impunity, and makes it seem like China's challenge to this system is a scary departure from "peaceful normalcy" rather than the slow and difficult return of justice. Just look at this map of undersea water cables to see how embargoes and sanctions designed to torture Cubans have led to silly and wasteful design decisions: https://www.mccormick.northwestern.edu/images/news/2015/10/research-shows-cubas-internet-extremely-poor-h.jpg https://www.mccormick.northwestern.edu/images/news/2015/10/r... (And yes, that single connected spot in Cuba is Guantanamo Bay.)
- celu 3y ago"The slow and difficult return of justice" and the current regime ruling China are not two things most people would ever put together
- beebeepka 3y agoCuba is still taking it for those missiles, after how many decades. The world is not just at all. There is no reciprocy and not all voices are being heard. Thanks for your input. That's all Edit: you got downvoted while I was typing this. The status quo defense force is working overtime these last few days
- yamtaddle 3y agoNobody cares about the missiles anymore, nor the embarrassment of our failed invasion of the island. I mean, hell, we're friendly with Vietnam these days. It's almost entirely due to one of the shitty aspects of how US elections work. Enough Floridian ex-Cubans and their descendants, who got their land and businesses seized, are against warming relations at all, that moving that direction is seen as risky for Presidential hopefuls—which would hardly matter if we had a national popular vote for President, but instead, it's state-by-state and (mostly) winner-take-all at the state level, so that constituency's power is greatly multiplied by their mostly living in one "swing" state with a high elector count. Miami doesn't want us to stop stepping on Cuba's throat, so we keep doing it. Why do we listen to Miami? Because our elections are dumb and bad and we (and Cuba) were unlucky with where Cuban refugees/exiles settled.