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UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k
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- jpoesen 4y agoSunday, casual racism day.
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- NullPrefix 4y agoI assume this is about Equifax and Susan Mauldin. She is white, by the way.
- gambiting 4y agoThe thing I don't get about it is that not all UK public services are like this. I know as a fact that senior programmers with the NHS make 70-80k. A project lead can get close to 100k. No idea what the Treasury is thinking here.
- philjohn 4y agoIt would be interesting to see what the pension is like for this position - you're giving up lifetime earnings for retirement earnings (and "serving your country").
- timthorn 4y agoAnd an OBE, as well.
- jsmith99 4y agoUK civil service is a defined benefit scheme that each year from state pension age pays 1/42 of your average salary multiplied by the number of years you worked there. It's inflation linked. You also need to contribute several percent of your salary (various bands). The Government Actuarial Department modelling implies a cost to the employer of around 30% of basic salary.
- midasuni 4y agoCan’t find anyone to do it in house, so let’s sign the £5m a year contract with my bartender to do it. It’s like h1B in the US, but grift.
- LikesPwsh 4y agoI'm not sure where you got those figures, but the NHS pay scales are public. https://www.nhsemployers.org/articles/pay-scales-202223 https://www.nhsemployers.org/articles/pay-scales-202223 Non-manager caps at ~£48k for most technical roles.
- cs02rm0 4y agoI'd imagine it's contractor rates.
- CommanderData 4y agoI was just thinking this. Know many NHS tech people in my circle. None earn 70k+. Contractors potentially but they'd generally be on 100k+ if the rates are at all competitive. Though contracting has dwindled in recent times because of the IR35 legislation and org budgets. I'm very much on the lookout for IT contracting gigs and don't come across many at all for the NHS.
- notahacker 4y agoThis one was discussed recently, and it was pointed out that from the bullet points of the listing it appears to be an inflated title for a mostly administrative role liaising with the govt's actual cybersecurity professionals and training a couple of apprentices. Plus of course, they may already have an internal candidate and simply advertise it for policy requirements, with a view to only considering applicants if they're much more qualified https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35384652 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35384652
- shubb 4y agoCivil service requires line reports for certain pay bands so they may well have hired the apprentices to justify this fat salary for the individual contributor. The job will likely be filled by a candidate from elsewhere in the CS e.g. ex police on thierv way to a date cheque in the private sector. I imagine this would make a very good stepping stone to a senior cyber job in financial services.
- jp58 4y agoI remember seeing a job listing for head of cybersecurity at the NHS maybe 4 years or so ago. It was for about 60K I think. Maybe the programmers pay is different but seems the NHS was offering similar salary to this listing. I remember finding it funny because it was not too long after the NHS was attacked with the wannacry virus.
- TruthWillHurt 4y agoContractor leads can earn ~£700 per day. And who knows how much Capgemini / Fujitsu / KPMG are charging the project..
- manojlds 4y agoSide point - is £100k really $200k equivalent in US? With the huge costs here and how costly things are including consumer electronics, shouldn't it be cheaper in US as well? (I just moved to UK from India 6 months back)
- shawabawa3 4y ago£100k is equivalent to $200k in terms of what employers pay, not in terms of lifestyles/expenses
- manojlds 4y agoI was asking about this line from the linked post: > Yes, I am simplifying but, most people in the UK on £100k a year will have a lifestyle similar to, if not better than, most people in the US living on US$200k a year.
- shawabawa3 4y agoOops somehow skipped that paragraph, yeah that's nonsense. Unless you're comparing SF to small town UK or something
- sunaurus 4y agoI have an example from elsewhere in Europe. 115k a year in my country (~90k after all taxes), in the suburb of a city with 100k population, gets you the following: mortgage payments for a nice 4 bedroom house, payments for a luxury car, fuel, all necessities like electricity, internet, heating, water, food, etc. After covering all living costs, you will have around 60k of free money left over. Basic necessities like healthcare and education are taken care of by taxes. Would the left over amount be similar in the US from 115k near a similarly sized city?
- goodpoint 4y ago> Would the left over amount be similar in the US from 115k near a similarly sized city? In a city where you actually find jobs as developer for 230k a year - no.
- politelemon 4y agoLink to the job listing: https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi?SID=c2VhcmNoc29ydD1jbG9zaW5nJnBhZ2VjbGFzcz1Kb2JzJm93bmVyPTUwNzAwMDAmdXNlcnNlYXJjaGNvbnRleHQ9Mjk3ODgxMjkmcGFnZWFjdGlvbj12aWV3dmFjYnlqb2JsaXN0JmpvYmxpc3Rfdmlld192YWM9MTg0NjE5OSZvd25lcnR5cGU9ZmFpciZzZWFyY2hwYWdlPTE5 https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi?SI...
- _fvh3 4y agoThe worst part is that people are willing to supply their labour at this price level: "31 Applicants"
- potatoproduct 4y agoI'm sure at least 30 out of the 31 are woefully under-qualified. Even for a government role I would expect 2.5-3x the salary.
- PaywallBuster 4y agoOr they're not even in the UK nor have any sort of work permit / visa.
- Neil44 4y agoYeah as someone who’s had job ads out recently if they have 1 qualified out of 31 they’re doing well!
- jojobas 4y agoWho's qualified will be decided by some bureaucrat who couldn't tell ICMP from NSFW. Master of Science from Doddaballapura Imperial College? Say no more. Ransomwaring the UK Treasury would be awesome.
- realusername 4y agoThe people applying for this job are probably not the people you want to hire... You'll always get applicants, no matter how low you are compared to the market rate but the quality of the applications will suffer.
- abridgett 4y agoNo doubt this will lead to complaints that foreigners are coming over stealing our secrets _and_ our jobs at the same time :-)
- Neil44 4y agoLondon based as well. You’d earn more in Pret-a-Manger. Wages always put me off gov jobs as well as the bureaucracy.
- jp58 4y agoNot necessarily: "The post can be based in London (1 Horse Guards Road), Norwich (Rosebery Court) or Darlington (Feethams House)."
- fallingknife 4y agoThe government is a special place where unskilled employees make much more than they would in the private sector, and highly skilled or leadership positions make much less than they would in the private sector. The main benefit is that you are essentially unfireable unless you commit a crime. The results are quite predictable.
- dan-robertson 4y agoDo you have evidence for the Pret claim? I tried to look for some but did not find anything which suggested that it is true.
- teh_klev 4y agoNo it's not, read the full advert: https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi?SID=c2VhcmNoc29ydD1jbG9zaW5nJnBhZ2VjbGFzcz1Kb2JzJm93bmVyPTUwNzAwMDAmdXNlcnNlYXJjaGNvbnRleHQ9Mjk3ODgxMjkmcGFnZWFjdGlvbj12aWV3dmFjYnlqb2JsaXN0JmpvYmxpc3Rfdmlld192YWM9MTg0NjE5OSZvd25lcnR5cGU9ZmFpciZzZWFyY2hwYWdlPTE5# https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi?SI... Location The post can be based in London (1 Horse Guards Road), Norwich (Rosebery Court) or Darlington (Feethams House).
- piqufoh 4y agoI think the job title is misleading, from the job listing: > We are looking for an experienced Head of Cyber Security to lead a team of two cyber analysts > We are a team of around 40, responsible for the Treasury’s technology, security and knowledge and information management services. So it's not _the_ Head - but _a_ head, and that 'head' has a relatively minor / junior manager role.
- cs02rm0 4y agoSounds to me like it is _the_ Head of Cyber Security, but there are other technology roles outside of Cyber Security in the "team".
- jojobas 4y agoIf you entire IT team is 40, it's plausible to assume that the entire security team is these 2 analysts and their sought-after boss. Even if it's "a" head, why would anyone qualified for leading an infosec team be interested?
- SilverBirch 4y agoFor the same reason that anyone works in the civil service. It's a very restrained pace of life, you literally have to count your hours and take time off to ensure you don't work more than 37.5 hours a week, there's flexibility to work from home and your working hours, the pension and the benefits are fantastic. If you live to work then this job isn't for you, but it's quite a nice job if you're not that invested in it.
- ClumsyPilot 4y agoI have seen 'chill' roles with more pay in the private sector. Thats befire we bring up that, move outside london and your costs go down 30%
- jojobas 4y agoIf you're paid less, it generally means you're less useful to the society. They value you protecting the UK treasury less than they value you making silly landing pages. You can chill making landing pages just as well, just make them part-time.
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- CommanderData 4y agoSalaries in the UK are abysmal. Cost of goods here have in some cases doubled. Not to mention the housing situation, people are selling up to rent because of interest rates driving rent up.
- sb618 4y agoA bit of a detraction from the link but can anyone who's lived for a significant amount of time in both the UK and the US confirm that £100k is equivalent to $200k? It seems fairly unlikely to me as UK tax and NI would be around 50% plus everything you purchase has 20% VAT. Sure medical insurance in the US is insane but surely that doesn't quite cover it.
- eckesicle 4y agoI worked at Coinbase making 140k GBP in base compensation. My SF based colleagues with the same job title were making 250k USD (so 202k GBP). We sat down one day and compared our household budgets line by line and in the end we estimated that 'money left over' for equivalent house, medical and kids education my American colleagues were slightly better off, but maybe only by 5-10k USD per year. Anecdatally ...
- BoorishBears 4y agoThe fact that people living in SF managed to be ahead by anything proves there's a massive delta, especially since you're wording this in past-tense (SF has gotten cheaper depending on the timeline you consider)
- shawabawa3 4y agoBare in mind at the time coinbase also paid above market rate in London (London rates were cut for new hires shortly after IIRC) (I also worked at CB London)
- NullPrefix 4y agoHow much of the budget was mortgage? Because with mortgage you can sell the expensive house afterwards.
- hhmc 4y agoNot the part of the mortgage that's accumulated interest -- which is going to be considerable at current rates.
- mmaunder 4y agoThey’ll get someone who wants it on their resume and wants the network so they can move to private sector and sell back to the same department. The ole public-private two-step.
- zo1 4y agoIt seems to be a tactic some nefarious companies are resorting to. They dish out titles like candy to capture cheaper labour and to "upcycle" people in their career ladder. Managing Director, Head Of Research, Chief of Staff,etc. Then those roles have vice or assistant as modifiers to multiply how many roles they have. Then they go further, they split their company units into actual companies and group it under a "Group". So now each one of those entities has their own CEO, Director, Managing Director, Head of, etc. You know it's bad when a single company of barely 500 people has 5 CEOs, 50 C-level roles and countless meaningless titles given to downright incompetent individuals. Unfortunately encountered one such company that I won't name. Needless to say, they were a crappy client.
- whstl 4y agoNot only in management. After some recent interviews I did, I'm finding more and more companies looking for "lead developers" and "tech lead" or some variation, but what is actually expected of them is a "almost-senior developer that also interviews", since someone else (often a CTO) will be micromanaging the team's tech decisions and another manager will be, well, managing. It is a bit funny to ask "so what's the difference between this role and that of a senior engineer in the same team" and getting people to freeze.
- CommanderData 4y agoFor the non-British here. Taxes are paid automatically in the UK to the tax man through a system called "Pay As You Earn - PAYE". Take home pay is closer to 41k. If the applicant has a student loan. These might take 30 years to pay off at the default 6% from gross (3.3k). Then there are pension contributions too which are opt-out now at usually 5% gross (2.75k). All deducted automatically. No remote advertised, the average commute costs £50 a week in London. The real wage here is 35k~ for someone university educated and wants a retirement pension excluding travel.
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- SilverBirch 4y agoIt's civil service, which means a defined benefit pension paid by the civil service which is valued at some crazy value - like 27% of salary per year with the employee only needing to contribute something like 5%.
- CommanderData 4y agoThanks good to know. I've adjusted.
- tester756 4y agoit says mid-senior level
- dan-robertson 4y agoI assume that term mostly only makes sense within the civil service.
- hunglee2 4y agoMight be a matter of 'job title inflation' - team is small (2 other analysts) and likely is a subdivision of what is a substantial department. Also, I location is potentially in Darlington, I wonder whether that is the main location given the salary level (55K in London is super low)
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- ilovefood 4y agoCould it simply be, that these types of jobs (high rank, low pay) are reserved to wealthy people? It might be so that the only ones that can apply are people for which the salary is a mere formality - it's just listed because it might be mandatory for the paperwork. Kind of similar to how artificially high housing cost is some sort of gatekeeping/community control and not actually reflecting demand in some places... What the job actually gets you (mandate, network, access, decision power, ...) is the real value money couldn't buy otherwise. But then again this argument might be wrong, because if it were the case why list the job in the first place?
- zouhair 4y agoDunno if it's for a rich person but most likely they want to give it to someone they know and they just have to legally post it publicly before that. And putting such low salary insures no one with good credentials will ever take it.
- soVeryTired 4y agoIt's civil service. There's basically no negotiating on pay - they certainly won't pay an internal candidate more.
- greggsy 4y agoThey are able to prepare individual arrangements for the 'right' candidate. The secretary of each ministry typically has delegation to increase starting salary and issue 'special bonuses', and there should be an oversight committee. The inverted commas don't suggest misuse or abuse, just that it's completely different in every case.
- LightBug1 4y agoWithout knowing the details, not really. That's more for people in Parliament these days, not the Civil Service. £55k in London is junior management level pay in the London, if that. Unless this is a case of give an incredible title for a junior member of staff to make it sounds attractive, then this is reallllly low pay for that type of job. Embarassingly low. Kind of, "I have no idea what a Head of Cyber Security" does so let me price it at £55k. Honestly, this is something a 2 person startup might do ... not The Treasury of a leading (?) country. Maybe it's just a mistake, but it is eye-opening.
- TruthWillHurt 4y agoOh don't worry.. they have an army of contractors to give the best advice.. surely..
- vegabook 4y agoThe Treasury issues around 15bn GBP (~18bn USD) of bonds every month. There are multimillion pound "opportunities" to leak information about which bonds will be issued (because that'll cause that curve sector temporarily to cheapen up). Paying the paltry sum of 55k for someone who can reasonably be expected to have access to this information, is a signal that they don't take seriously the risk of being fleeced for 2 or more orders of magnitude more than that every month.
- mkl95 4y agoI haven't dabbled too much in the UK market, but I recall interviewing for a low 6 figure position a while ago. Is the gap between public and private jobs that big?
- rprospero 4y agoC++ Dev in the UK public sector here. I make 40k a year and so does my boss. I think my boss’s boss might make 50k, or that might only be his boss.
- tjpnz 4y agoWhy do you do it? Or are there factors at play besides the money?
- jstx1 4y agoThere are only so many high paying jobs. When someone on HN says that they have a £100k+ job in the UK, that means that it's possible for some number of people to get those jobs but not everyone who's on £40k can double or triple their salary, there aren't enough opportunities to do so.
- mkl95 4y agoI was a mid level - seniorish engineer at the time. We initially discussed that 6 figure role, but I did not feel ready at all. They said it was fine and that the range for the level below was £75-85k, which I thought was pretty good. It was a big corp in the health industry btw.
- SamuelAdams 4y agoThis is interesting. What specific skills are required that made you feel you are not ready for a higher paying role?
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- _8j50 4y agoI have had NASA tell me the max pay for a security engineer is $40k. I had to question if perhaps the job was for a security guard at one of their sites or something.
- ForHackernews 4y agoI mean, it's fucking NASA. I'd probably work there for free just to be able to say I'd done it. "Oh, you got a lot of RSUs for your social media click-tracking? That's nice. I helped bullseye an asteroid 9.6 million km away, potentially saving every life on Earth. But yeah, that new infinite scroll is cool, too."
- _Wintermute 4y agoIt's nice to imagine when you're not the one worrying about paying rent. I work in an interesting area (bioinformatics research) and as expected the pay is pretty dire to match. You do get the warm fuzzies now and again when strangers ask about your job, but the rest of the time is spent wondering if you should move into fintech so you don't have to worry about grocery prices.
- ForHackernews 4y agoFair, but I'm also sick of hearing Facegoogs whining on this app (and Blind, and elsewhere) about how they're only barely scraping by on $250k and how could anyone ever live on $100k poverty wages. They have to do adtech to survive, don't you see?
- _8j50 4y ago250k in the bay area with family is ok but it isn't great. You can live on it but people want nice houses and schools for their kids,etc... so I get where they're coming from. Even for the single people they wanna retire early or whatever. Everyone has different goals I guess
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- volvogradSaint 4y agoA newspaper headline from 2024: How Russia took over the UK Treasury, inside scoop on the Great Britain Banking crash of 2023.
- sc90 4y agoThis was also discussed on Twitter a few days ago https://twitter.com/Jontafkasi/status/1641193954778697728 https://twitter.com/Jontafkasi/status/1641193954778697728.
- nivenkos 4y agoEuropean wages are incredibly low, so this isn't so surprising. It is particularly low though, but something like 80k wouldn't be unexpected at all.
- dukeyukey 4y agoIt's a US-vs-world thing, not a Europe thing. Looking at levels.fyi, London pays more than anywhere outside the US and Switzerland, and even outpays chunks of the US (albeit not the tech hubs).
- baazaa 4y agoThis is a problem across the civil service, although not as stark as this example usually. The cult of the generalist has long meant that specific skills are considered almost worthless. Instead of the civil service being an assemblage of people with different skill-sets, it instead consists chiefly of administrators with no more skills than a high-school graduate (although they do have tertiary degrees). Jobs which require actual skill are then farmed out to contractors by these 'generalists'. The problem is baked into the pay structure, which tends to be based on seniority and how many people you manage rather than skill. You can't just up salaries across the board because then you'd be paying all the unskilled 'generalists' far too much. They need to completely reorient the civil service away from the notion of generalists, because they're not true generalists. If someone can't code in this day and age they're not a generalist. And if they have no other specialist skill-set besides (say law or accounting) then they shouldn't even be considered professionals. What we have today is a civil service made of pseudo-professionals who in fact do exactly the same sort of work once done by much cheaper clerical staff.
- negamax 4y agoCivil service is also government's secret graduate job creation program. Can't get hired by private sector beyond counter jobs, civil service welcomes you. It's a racket through and through
- tankenmate 4y agoI think it's a more a case of "don't attribute to maliciousness what can easily be explained by stupidity"; i.e. the powers that be a trying to cut their way to success.
- sandworm101 4y agoI seriously doubt that the head of cyber security at such a place would ever do any coding. The primary job would be administrative, the needed skill the management of people. 55k is a joke, but lets not pretend that this position requires l33t hacking skills. This is a job about hiring and firing people, about selecting policy and judging the qualification of prospective contractors. And it's a job about writing reports and presenting them to higher authorities and investigative committees, not the sort of things taught at bootcamps.
- reedf1 4y agoThis has caused a bit of a stir because the UK hasn't quite understood the relative weakness of wage growth for the last 10 years. The culturally understood milestones of "high pay" 30/50k have also not increased with inflation. I get paid well for the UK - but I could triple or even quadruple my salary in the US/Australia. Combined with relatively high taxes (my marginal tax rate is 60%) - it isn't a great value proposition for many professionals, and despite the luxuries (healthcare, gun control) - almost everyone I know is eyeing the exit.
- ZephyrBlu 4y agoYou think you would triple or quadruple your comp in Aus? The US I get, but Aus seems to be about the same as the UK. Also, how is your marginal tax rate 60%? I'm guessing you mean 40%. https://www.gov.uk/income-tax-rates https://www.gov.uk/income-tax-rates
- csomar 4y agoHe is either adding vat or social security.
- ubercow13 4y agoPersonal allowance tapers after 100k, making the effective marginal rate 60% between 100-125k. If you include student loan payments too, it's actually more like 69%! There are other even more extreme marginal rates hidden in the tax system if you have children, I believe there are even some circumstances of >100%
- curiousguy 4y agoYou can easily put money in your pension and avoid the tax. So if you’re making 125k and put 25k in your pension, you will only pay taxes on 100k. Take advantage of tax wrappers and UK tax is kind of okay when comparing with other countries.
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- negamax 4y agoIt's a problem with all government departments. They can't pay market rates for software engineers. But can hire contractors and third party vendors. Facepalm * 100. That's why body shops like Accenture et al makes a killing in government contracts.
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- Kognito 4y agoFeels like there might have been a mistake on the job listing. It’s listed as mid-senior, with the same salary band as the roles this would be managing.
- dukeyukey 4y agoIt's not too unusual for a manager to learn less than their reports. I'm in London and earn more than my manager.
- makingstuffs 4y agoI get a lot job offers in my LinkedIn inbox and newsletters from places like glass door as I like to keep my eye on the market. One thing I’ve been seeing a lot recently is salaries for dev roles steadily dropping in the UK. The concerning thing, in my opinion, is that the poster linked by OP seems disillusioned as to the standard of living in the UK. They specifically mention being paid £55k as being equivalent to $100k in the US. It isn’t. £55k in London is about enough to rent a place and live ok’ish on your own, and relatively comfortably if you have a partner whom is also earning a salary in a similar bracket. Rent on a 1 bedroom flat in zone 5 is costing £1,500 as a minimum. You then have council tax which is about £200 a month (soon to be increased). If you travel to the city to go to the office that is gonna cost you at least £50 a week, more if you need to go everyday. Your utilities will cost you at least £100 a month and food, without takeaways is also going to cost you about £50 a week. All the costs above are lowballing intentionally and do not factor in things like the inevitable lunch coffee and after work drinks, albeit non alcoholic. The reality is that the UK is becoming a much less livable place and that the cost of living/energy/whatever comes next is always passed down to the average person. I will not be surprised to see an exodus of skilled workers over the next decade. I personally have set a 5 year target for leaving the country personally, which is sad. My partner has noticed the change herself and is equally as sad that the reality is she will need to leave (after working to acquire citizenship) in order to have a proper chance at buying a home and living a happy life.
- alibarber 4y agoI'd be reasonably certain that $100k in the Bay Area would leave you with pretty much the same lifestyle you describe here in London. There is quite a gap between London and the UK as a whole, for better and for worse.
- whatyesaid 4y agoAre they paying 100k in the Bay Area or more upwards of 200k?
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- gumballindie 4y agoIf you factor in the ever increasing taxes, interest rates and cost of living, this is a junior level salary. They'll get what they pay for.
- dukeyukey 4y agoIt's a role managing two employees, they're probably looking at a reasonably mid-level candidate.
- TrackerFF 4y agoSome thoughts: 1) That's the salary range they've specified, if the right applicant comes along they can probably stretch a good deal. My last work was for the gov., and even though they had a specified salary range in the job listing, they paid 20%-30% more to certain hires. 2) These types of jobs come with a certain "prestige" attached to them, which can open doors later - much, much higher paying and powerful doors. And that's a general thing when it comes to such jobs, people are willing to slash their paycheck in half if it's powerful enough 3) The type of applicant for these jobs are (in my experience) much more driven by ideology than money. Gov. jobs can never compete on salary, that's just a fact of life. But they do still get excellent applicants, that are burning for certain things 4) Many of these applicants don't need higher salaries - they're already financially independent.
- buro9 4y agoAs footballers earn most of their money through sponsorships, so this person will earn most of their money through back-handers from procurement. I wish I were joking, but this is what a salary of this level for this role will amount to.
- dukeyukey 4y agoIt's a role managing two employees, that's not exactly kickback territory
- sandworm101 4y agoOutsiders miss the underlying class struggle here. When an employer underpays a position the door opens to nepotism and class discrimination. If the pay is below a reasonable wage for the associated costs, ie living in london, only those with outside income will apply. They take the position for the prestige and power the office conveys rather than the money paid. So it goes to the son-in-law of someone important, some upstart who needs a fancy stamp on the resume to justify his inevitable next appointment up the civil service hierarchy. Several New York law firms do this. Pay new lawyers nothing and you are free to hire only from a narrow group of legal and political families. Also, every political party filling campaign positions with "volunteers" hoping to get a position of power if the condidate wins office. They are all sons and daughters from political families. Once upon a time many high positions did not pay. Some even required regular payment from the office holder. Want to be near the seat of power in london? Want the ear of the king? That will cost you. Ever watch tales about The Three Musketeers? In reality, the musketeers were drawn from elite families because they had to cover all of thier own costs. It was a prestige position for sons of power wanting to work near the palace.
- dan-robertson 4y agoI just don’t see that here at all. I read it as a job title that sounds more senior than it is, potentially underpaid for the civil service, with the numbers looking extra low because of the weird way that much comp comes in non-salary benefits (which some may not want). Certainly I don’t think this position is some kind of reverse-sinecure that pays in political power. Mainly because I think it doesn’t really wield much power. I don’t know which law firms you’re talking about but there are others which pay graduates well and I’m not really sure it’s very relevant to the discussion.
- thinkingemote 4y agoalso discussed 2 days ago: 111 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35384652 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35384652
- garrypettet 4y agoIt’s worth pointing out that this is a higher salary than most doctors make (below consultant level) in the UK.
- windex 4y agoThis would ideally fit a crook, and he could then mine the system from the inside I would assume.
- bvoq 4y agoIn a 100 years the UK elite will pay you in air, but only 95% of the recommended daily amount.