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I don’t think I would buy a car that didn’t have CarPlay. I’m an iPhone user and have no interest in changing my phone. People reject cars all the time for eve
by KMnO4 4y ago
I don’t think I would buy a car that didn’t have CarPlay. I’m an iPhone user and have no interest in changing my phone.
People reject cars all the time for even more trivial things (oh — this one doesn’t have wireless charging? Next.), so I can’t imagine this being a smart idea for GM.
- halfnormalform 4y agoAgreed. There is no way I would consider one without CarPlay. It has become too much a part of the driving experience.
- bdcravens 4y agoNot the only reason, but was definitely one reason that contributed to the decision to cancel my Model 3 order and go with a Kia EV6 instead.
- browningstreet 4y agoI said my next car would have to have CarPlay but the Tesla software in my Y is good enough to live without it. I rent a lot of cars with CarPlay, and like it, but now that the Tesla software supports both Apple Music and Spotify, I’m good. That said, I wouldn’t buy a car that supported Google Carwhatever but not Apple CarPlay.
- st-keller 4y agoAs far as i know the tesla car has its own spotify account. So this only works, if you’re the only one driving your car. In my family up to five people drive a car - I don’t think i want one spotify-account used by five people.
- bdcravens 4y agoIt's not the same Spotify account you login to your phone with, or it only supports logging into one account?
- mynameisvlad 4y agoThis was only the case in Europe. US cars instead come with a Slacker account, and you need to associate your Spotify account to access it, same with Apple Music. Not sure if the associations are per-user or per-car, though. I believe there was work to move them along with some other settings to your "user profile" and would go with you across cars.
- peoplearepeople 4y agoIt used to be that way, now you can set a spotify account per driving profile
- owenwil 4y agoThat was the case a few years ago—now you just associate your personal Spotify account with your Tesla driver profile. It auto-switches to the right one based on the driver, which works great!
- scarface74 4y agoSupporting Apple Music isn’t enough. For instance, I use Overcast as my podcast player and it has excellent Carplay support. I won’t buy a car that doesn’t support CarPlay.
- bratsche 4y agoI have a Model 3 right now and like it well enough I guess, but I think next time I get a car my ideal is to get a non-Tesla EV that has CarPlay. My hope was that Tesla has pushed the industry enough to start making competitive EVs so that I don't have to get another Tesla. And I think I would prefer using CarPlay. I've used it a couple times in rental cars and really liked it. The screens are smaller and less nice than Tesla's, but the navigation on Tesla kind of sucks compared to Apple and Google and I think that's more valuable to me.
- seanmcdirmid 4y agoTesla is the gold standard for in car infotainment. I wouldn’t trust GM or even google to be as good at software as Tesla without them establishing a track record first.
- bb123 4y agoThe Model 3’s system is one of the few out there that can actually compete with/replace CarPlay.
- cjdoc29 4y agoAgreed, but I have my gripes with the system. We waited a long time for Apple Music to come to the infotainment - and even then it's slow, you cannot adjust to a higher music quality, you can't download playlists to local storage, I need to login every month, etc. Additionally, my 2019 Model 3's infotainment is noticeably slower than a 2023's. I'd hate to be limited by compute in a car that I'll probably replace in 8 years. If it's my phone, the replacement time is much shorter (and much more affordable!). It would not stop me from buying another Tesla. The infotainment is generally fantastic (as is the rest of the car). But CarPlay would make the music and podcast experience so much better.
- zaroth 4y agoTesla started shipping the new AMD based MCU3 at the end of 2021. MCU2 in previously Model 3s is an Intel Atom architecture. Previously Tesla offered MCU1 to MCU2 paid upgrades for Model S/X owners. It seems unlikely that Tesla will offer anything similar for MCU2 to MCU3 but not impossible that it could be done as a 3rd party retrofit. The connectors and physical dimensions are different so it’s not trivial.
- owenwil 4y agoIt _is_ excellent, but it is annoyingly ignorant of integrating with phones. If you have an Android phone you can send and receive texts, but no other notifications come in and nothing else is projected there either. If you have an iPhone, it works _sometimes_ but I am rarely able to reply to messages using voice successfully. I wish it better extended into my phone, but it's largely because of Apple's rules, which I guess aren't Tesla's fault—but are a side-effect of not using carplay.
- bumby 4y agoWhile annoying, my real gripe is what this says about their development process. If you can’t get these things right, how can I trust that you will get the safety critical software right?
- pc86 4y agoNot only that but wireless CarPlay. I recently picked up a '23 RAV4 and I didn't think it would matter but the difference is noticeable. At least in this model it's connected before I'm even out of my garage.
- voisin 4y agoI don’t understand why this can’t be an OTA update? Maybe with slightly less functionality but why can’t it just Bluetooth CarPlay?
- Tagbert 4y agoIt's done over an adhoc wifi network, not bluetooth.
- spike021 4y agoAs far as I understand it, it still uses Bluetooth to establish the connection, but the rest is done over Wifi (someone can feel free to correct me if not).
- alistairSH 4y agoThat's correct. Bluetooth for initial handshake type stuff, then ad-hoc wifi for pushing the video/data stream.
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- mdasen 4y agoAs others have said, it uses WiFi (set up via Bluetooth). Bluetooth doesn't support the data rates necessary to deliver the data for CarPlay. As for the "maybe with slightly less functionality" would you take no display? You're basically talking about Siri Eyes Free where you'd have a button to activate Siri on your steering wheel, but wouldn't get much functionality. But I'm guessing you want the navigation to be displayed on your screen, not just a bluetooth audio connection with a Siri button. Basically, the 1-2Mbps of Bluetooth really isn't enough to drive a display with any decent resolution and I'm guessing that real-world data rates are a bit less than spec with so much stuff in the 2.4GHz band. Microsoft notes that you need 1.5Mbps for 1024x768 and I'm guessing most car displays are better than that today (https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/remote/remote-desktop-services/network-guidance#display-resolutions https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/remote/remo...). Maybe you'd argue that you'd take 5 FPS and semi-reliability, but I just don't think they want to implement something that's just kinda crappy. Apple doesn't want you going around saying, "wireless CarPlay is garbage." Yes, you might understand a retrofit to a car that doesn't really have the capability, but 99% of people won't. It's not that it's impossible as much as something likely to be way more pain than it's worth. Even if you want it and would be ok with the trade-off, that's not always how products work. Heck, if they did implement it and it didn't work, would you end up using tech support for it? That costs money. Would you post online where your problem-solving becomes interpreted as "Apple sucks" even if you don't mean it that way? Worse, car manufactures might (and car dealers definitely would) start promising these models as supporting wireless CarPlay. Maybe Apple could deal with official marketing materials, but dealers will say almost anything to sell a car. People would be duped into buying these cars and then complain to Apple that their product sucks. People would be asking online "is this real wireless CarPlay or the fake kind?" The absolute headache! You can buy an adapter that will plug into the USB port if you want wireless CarPlay: https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/27/carplay-wireless-carplay-adapter/ https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/27/carplay-wireless-carplay-adap.... Basically, the information goes from your phone to the adapter (via Bluetooth-setup-WiFi) and then the adapter just sends it over USB. That's way less headache for Apple and probably a better experience since it actually supports the right data rates. I haven't used one of these so you should read up if you want to buy one (or try it out and return it if it doesn't work for you), but this seems like a much better alternative than trying to jam CarPlay over Bluetooth (without WiFi).
- dalyons 4y agoyeah this move just guaranteed i will never buy a GM car from now on!
- meepmorp 4y agoThis definitely rules out GM for me.
- lotsofpulp 4y agoNot to mention, isn’t CarPlay just an interface for the phone to be able to connect to so the screen can display the software operating on the phone? Near zero cost to GM, tons of convenience for GM’s customers. I can only imagine GM wants customers’ data or subscription fees, and Apple will not allow that. And this is a business that got bailed out by US taxpayers, and is explicitly too big to fail.
- conk 4y agoIt’s a cost to GM because they can’t nickel and dime their customers with subscription fees if customers can use the phone service they already have.
- imwithstoopid 4y agoproblem is (from GM's perspective), with CarPlay, Apple takes over the UX of the car...the Apple logo is the first and last thing people see when driving GM doesn't want Apple or Google taking over the UX of the car, because then GM is eventually just another FoxConn and sure, there's a money thing...they want revshare from Spotify and every other app they can position in the UI CarPlay and Android Auto will be gone as fast as car makers can make it happen
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- nickthegreek 4y agoBack in 2017, I didnt buy a toyota for the first time because they didn't offer carplay. I refuse to be stuck with a subpar experience for the 10 years I normally keep a vehicle. Absolutely ridiculous to not support both CarPlay and Android Auto.
- kstrauser 4y agoThat's where I'm at. Our 2016 Toyota has their horrible Entune system, and however much I like everything else about it, that thing irritates me every time I look at it.
- exhilaration 4y agoGood news for both of you: I rented a 2022 Corolla and it supported both CarPlay and Android Auto. Toyota gave in!
- nickthegreek 4y agoWell they got about 4 years before I need another car, unfortunately for them my new minimum requirements are going to also include EV. VW id.4 is my current leader.
- kipchak 4y agoMight be worth swapping out the head unit. Best Buy will sell you a Sony unit with installation for $250 for example.
- kstrauser 4y agoI've thought about that. I'd want one that supports the backup camera and all that. Do you know offhand if those exist at reasonable prices?
- kipchak 4y agoThe last time I replaced a unit was in 2012, but I think what you would be looking for is a head unit that accepts camera input , a wiring harness for the head unit to the car's wiring, a reverse camera adapter if the car doesn't use the standard yellow RCA-esque connector (apparently toyota uses several different connectors), and a interface adapter if you want to retain the use of the steering wheel controls which in total would probably be <$500 depending on parts. I remember Crutchfield's "will it fit" tools and advisors being pretty helpful. Looking around a bit, apparently there's also a neat though slightly more expensive product called the datalink maestro rr or rr2 that does the camera and head unit interfacing part while retaining additional features. https://youtu.be/AkWzSXFJYTo https://youtu.be/AkWzSXFJYTo
- makestuff 4y agoThey probably see how well Tesla/Rivian sell and they do not have carplay. I guess you are limited to what you can do with a carplay/andriod auto implementation. However, I prefer carplay vs any other (including tesla's) implementation. I'm sure there is an aspect to increased complexity as well.
- minutillo 4y agoWell I have good news for you: you won't need to change your phone! Because they aren't supporting Android Auto either.
- flyingcircus3 4y agoThe reactions in this thread are interesting, because they seem to imply that this is the final straw that has convinced us to not buy Chevrolets and Buicks, as opposed to the last 30+ years of of their products being generally terrible.
- Tempest1981 4y agoBut the hope was that their new EV lineup would change things, and pull people back.
- myko 4y agoThe Lyriq looks really nice
- fghorow 4y agoPersonally, I LOVE my (2019) Volt. FWIW, it also has AA/Car Play. First they kill the Volt -- IMHO the best PHEV on the market when I bought it -- now they kill a vastly superior interface to anything I've ever used in a car. Sorry GM, you might just have lost a (stockholding, for now, at least) customer.
- smt88 4y agoIt's been hard to predict the quality of electric vehicles based on the same brand's ICE/hybrid vehicles. For example, Toyota is head and shoulders better than the competition at ICE and hybrids, but they're arguably last in EVs. In fact, Consumer Reports says the Chevy Bolt is currently the best EV[1]. 1. https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/electric-vehicles https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/electric-vehicl...
- KerrAvon 4y agoSort of. I know Tesla owners who've bought Bolts as secondary cars but would not otherwise be caught dead in a GM car. There are people who buy Corvettes who wouldn't consider another GM car. I avoid American cars at all costs but was still considering a Bolt before this news.
- alistairSH 4y ago
- AustinDev 4y agoDid you know there are CarPlay apps on the play store? That’s how I access CarPlay in my car.