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What holds me back the most from using these tools is the vagueness of the copyright situation. I wouldn't straight out want to use it at work. For hobby projec

What holds me back the most from using these tools is the vagueness of the copyright situation. I wouldn't straight out want to use it at work. For hobby projects that I might want to use for something serious one day, I'm on the fence. Developers who use this for serious stuff, how goes your reasoning? Is it just a calculated risk? Reward is greater than the risk?

stravant 4y ago
I just don't care. Google vs Oracle is still being fought a decade on now. What hope does the legal and legislative system have of possibly keeping up here? The horse will well and fully have left the barn by the time anything has been resolved and furthermore if AI continues becoming increasing useful there will be no option other than to bend the resolution to fit what has already passed.
- MajimasEyepatch 4y ago
  The Supreme Court decided Google v. Oracle two years ago.
  - rbalicki 4y ago
    The GP comment was written using ChatGPT- another project that wouldn't have happened without ChatGPT- and the training data cutoff was March, 2021.
ihatepython 4y ago
> Developers who use this for serious stuff, how goes your reasoning? Is it just a calculated risk? Reward is greater than the risk? It seems obvious that AI is the future, and that ChatGPT is the most advanced AI ever created. For me (in the medical industry), if something goes wrong and someone dies a horrible death, I can just say that I didn't write that code, ChatGPT did. Not my fault. Next time you are at the hospital getting an MRI, I hope you think about how it's entirely possible that ChatGPT wrote the majority of the mission-critical code.
- speedylight 4y ago
  I honestly have issue with using ChatGPT to write medical software. I don’t know what your exact process is like but I hope you’re giving the code it generates extra scrutiny to make sure it really does what you put in the prompt. It kinda feels like the judge who used ChatGPT to determine whether to deny or grant bail.
  - lelanthran 4y ago
    > I honestly have issue with using ChatGPT to write medical software. GP is talking nonsense. No developer is ever going to be able to say "not my fault, I used what ChatGPT gave me" because without even reading the OpenAI license I can all but guarantee that the highly paid lawyers made sure that the terms and conditions include discharging all liability onto the user. GP appears to think that if he sells a lethally defective toaster he can simply tell his buyer to make all claims against a unknown and impossible to reach supplier in China. Products don't work like that, especially in life-critical industries (I worked in munitions, which has similar if not more onerous regulations). The buck stops with whoever sold the product.
    - marcosdumay 4y ago
      The GGP was making fun of the OP, but looks like the comment was not absurd enough to pop-out in our current hyper-hyped climate.
    - speedylight 4y ago
      Yep I just realized he’s not actually being serious, let’s just hope there aren’t any people who are actually serious about doing something similar.
  - CharlieDigital 4y ago
    Medical software has to go through a validation process. As long as that validation process is still as rigorous, I don't see much difference.
bsenftner 4y ago
If I've learned one thing as an adult, it's do whatever the fuck ya what (that my morals allow) and if necessary ask permission later, if asked. Never ask for permission before, just do it.
__MatrixMan__ 4y ago
I've been gravitating towards projects that wouldn't have to care what a court thought anyway. Like if it can't operate in the presence of that kind of adversary then I'm better of treating that like a bug and fixing it instead of worrying about the particulars of why they're upset in the first place.

stravant 4y ago

I just don't care. Google vs Oracle is still being fought a decade on now. What hope does the legal and legislative system have of possibly keeping up here? The horse will well and fully have left the barn by the time anything has been resolved and furthermore if AI continues becoming increasing useful there will be no option other than to bend the resolution to fit what has already passed.

MajimasEyepatch 4y ago
The Supreme Court decided Google v. Oracle two years ago.
- rbalicki 4y ago
  The GP comment was written using ChatGPT- another project that wouldn't have happened without ChatGPT- and the training data cutoff was March, 2021.

ihatepython 4y ago

> Developers who use this for serious stuff, how goes your reasoning? Is it just a calculated risk? Reward is greater than the risk? It seems obvious that AI is the future, and that ChatGPT is the most advanced AI ever created. For me (in the medical industry), if something goes wrong and someone dies a horrible death, I can just say that I didn't write that code, ChatGPT did. Not my fault. Next time you are at the hospital getting an MRI, I hope you think about how it's entirely possible that ChatGPT wrote the majority of the mission-critical code.

speedylight 4y ago
I honestly have issue with using ChatGPT to write medical software. I don’t know what your exact process is like but I hope you’re giving the code it generates extra scrutiny to make sure it really does what you put in the prompt. It kinda feels like the judge who used ChatGPT to determine whether to deny or grant bail.
- lelanthran 4y ago
  > I honestly have issue with using ChatGPT to write medical software. GP is talking nonsense. No developer is ever going to be able to say "not my fault, I used what ChatGPT gave me" because without even reading the OpenAI license I can all but guarantee that the highly paid lawyers made sure that the terms and conditions include discharging all liability onto the user. GP appears to think that if he sells a lethally defective toaster he can simply tell his buyer to make all claims against a unknown and impossible to reach supplier in China. Products don't work like that, especially in life-critical industries (I worked in munitions, which has similar if not more onerous regulations). The buck stops with whoever sold the product.
  - marcosdumay 4y ago
    The GGP was making fun of the OP, but looks like the comment was not absurd enough to pop-out in our current hyper-hyped climate.
  - speedylight 4y ago
    Yep I just realized he’s not actually being serious, let’s just hope there aren’t any people who are actually serious about doing something similar.
- CharlieDigital 4y ago
  Medical software has to go through a validation process. As long as that validation process is still as rigorous, I don't see much difference.

bsenftner 4y ago

If I've learned one thing as an adult, it's do whatever the fuck ya what (that my morals allow) and if necessary ask permission later, if asked. Never ask for permission before, just do it.

__MatrixMan__ 4y ago

I've been gravitating towards projects that wouldn't have to care what a court thought anyway. Like if it can't operate in the presence of that kind of adversary then I'm better of treating that like a bug and fixing it instead of worrying about the particulars of why they're upset in the first place.