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For the curious, here was the conversation I had: ME: What's another saying similar to: "The cat is out of the bag" or "The genie is out of the bottle"? chatg
by 2bitencryption 4y ago
For the curious, here was the conversation I had:
ME: What's another saying similar to: "The cat is out of the bag" or "The genie is out of the bottle"?
chatgpt: Another similar saying is "the toothpaste is out of the tube." Like the other two expressions, this phrase conveys the idea that something has been revealed or unleashed, and it cannot be undone or put back into its original state.
ME: Can you invent a new phrase that has the same meaning, which is completely new?
chatgpt: Certainly! Here's a new phrase with a similar meaning: "The confetti has left the cannon." This phrase suggests that once something is out in the open or has happened, it's impossible to reverse or contain it, much like confetti that has been shot out of a cannon during a celebration.
ME: What's the name for this kind of expression? Aphorism? Fable?
chatgpt: This kind of expression is known as an idiom. Idioms are phrases or expressions with a figurative meaning that is different from their literal meaning. They are commonly used in everyday language to convey a specific message or sentiment in a more colorful or memorable way.
- bilsbie 4y agoI don’t understand why people aren’t more impressed with it clearly understanding and then even inventing idioms. That shows some real intelligence.
- fnordpiglet 4y agoIt’s because they’re confused in thinking human intelligence isn’t learned stochastic expectation.
- gary_0 4y agoThat's how the brain evolved, after all: take incoming input, process according to previous patterns, output a reaction to peripheral nervous system that will enhance survival. The evolutionary purpose of a cortex is to store a statistical model of an animal's environment based on past stimulus. Human intelligence is just a complicated permutation of these initial systemic parameters.
- fnordpiglet 4y agoThat’s why people have to take courses in reasoning and logic to be able to successfully apply it. It’s not like reasoning and logic are natural human skills. They’re learned through reinforcement learning by repeatedly exposing our brain to patterns again and again until we can train our stochastic expectation juice to not hallucinate an answer.
- gary_0 4y agoAnd it takes ~20 years to train a new brain so it can coherently answer questions about a wide variety of topics. Even worse, you can't even copy-paste it once you're done!
- layer8 4y agoIt arguably needs much less training data though.
- rbanffy 4y agoWhat we shouldn't is anthropomorphise it too much. While LLMs can express themselves and interact with us in natural language, their minds are very different from ours - they never learned by having an embodied self, and they can't continuously learn and adapt the way we do - once the conversation is over, it's like it never existed unless it's captured for a future training cycle. Right now, their ability to learn is severely limited. And, yet, they outcompete us quite easily in a lot of different tasks.
- gary_0 4y agoAgreed. There are a hundred different kinds of information processing that go into a human-like mind, and we've kinda-sorta built one piece. And there are a lot of pieces that it would neither be sane nor useful to build (eg. internalized emotions), so we might not see an AI with all the pieces for a very long time ("never" is probably too much to hope for).
- kweingar 4y agoThis seems backward to me. Wouldn’t you be less impressed by ChatGPT if you thought that thought that human intelligence worked the same way as LLMs? If humans have some special sauce different from the computer, then it’s crazy that ChatGPT can emulate human writing so well. If humans are also just statistical models, then of course you can throw a big training set at some GPUs and it’ll do the same thing. Why should we be surprised or impressed by idioms?
- fnordpiglet 4y agoWell, I don’t they work exactly like the human mind, because we are likely a more complex ensemble model. But a) it’s impressive because it’s reaching a goal of computing for generations and as a computer scientist I’m excited, b) it’s corpus of learnings is the amazing collection of everything that we built with the modern internet, so it’s breadth and depth is astounding. The act of creating what we have naturally is itself exciting though.
- OJFord 4y agoI suppose it depends on the extent to which you're impressed by the concept of LLMs, I can see it both ways. To explain the other way to your thinking: human intelligence is the same; holy crap they cracked robotic 'human' intelligence, it works exactly the same way.
- selcuka 4y agoI'm definitely impressed when I see things like this. This is much more impressive than writing a 5 paragraph nonsense about a 2 sentence prompt.
- leereeves 4y agoIs it? There are many mentions of confetti cannons on the web, along with explanations of how they work (saying something like confetti shoots out of the cannon). Chat-GPT just picked a random thing (confetti) and completed the pattern "X out of Y" with the thing confetti comes out of. It's easy. The cereal is out of the box. The helium is out of the balloon. The snow is out of the globe. And it's exactly the one thing LLMs are trained to do: reproduce patterns of words. They are (perhaps) already better than humans at that one specific skill (another win for AI research) but I don't think it's a sign of general intelligence.
- slyall 4y ago"The AI effect occurs when onlookers discount the behavior of an artificial intelligence program by arguing that it is not real intelligence." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect
- leereeves 4y agoBetter that than the opposite effect, to assume that because a system solves a single problem very well, it is intelligent. Is Stockfish intelligent? Is a system with A* pathfinding intelligent? I would define intelligence as the ability to solve a wide variety of novel problems. A system built to be excellent at a single task may be better than humans at that task but still lack "intelligence". We still don't know what that even is exactly, but historically people consistently underestimate how difficult it is. Not even knowing how to approach it, researchers work on solving single specialized problems instead and make little progress on whatever "intelligence" is. (If you'd prefer a different definition of intelligence under which Stockfish and GPT are intelligent, then what would you call the ability to solve a wide variety of novel problems? Feel free to substitute that word for "intelligence" above if you'd like to understand what I'm saying.)
- Morganna 4y agoIs it so impressive that the “fart left the butt” ? :)
- Tommstein 4y agoThat is impressive, especially given that neither Google nor DuckDuckGo find any previous trace of that idiom.
- gverrilla 3y agodid you search in different languages?
- johtso 4y agoNot exactly sure why it would be surprising that it can come up with a convincing idiom when it can produce remarkably good _poetry_
- worldsayshi 4y agoI think the thrilling part is that it's a somewhat atomic concept that can somewhat convincingly be proven to not exist in the training data. While poetry is more impressive if it's as original it's harder to show that it's not just stitched together from the training data.
- worldsayshi 4y agoI just asked GPT-4 to come up with more such "provably original idioms": """ Here are a few more examples of idioms with meaningful and provable atomic originality: "The kite has touched the stars" - This phrase could mean that someone has achieved a seemingly impossible goal or reached a level of success that was thought to be unattainable. "The paint has mingled on the canvas" - This idiom might convey the idea that once certain decisions are made or actions taken, the resulting outcome can't be easily separated or undone, similar to colors of paint that have blended together on a canvas. "The clock has chimed in reverse" - This expression could be used to describe a situation where something unexpected and unusual has occurred, akin to the unlikely event of a clock chiming in reverse order. "The flower has danced in the wind" - This phrase could signify that someone or something has gracefully and nimbly adapted to changing circumstances, just as a flower might sway and move in response to the wind. """
- sitkack 4y agoYeah but can it beatbox?
- tlb 4y agoConspiracy theory: this idiom used to be widespread on the internet, but a shadowy cabal of AI maximalists erased millions of such expressions from search engines so GPT could appear to re-invent them. It is a good expression though -- evocative but not gross or violent. You could imagine many less successful analogies to something ejecting something else.
- shagie 4y agoThat is not a conspiracy theory... it is alternate reality fan fiction. While making up "what ifs" can be fun, it doesn't merit either of the words "conspiracy" or "theory".
- mvandermeulen 4y agoThat’s brilliant. Though personally I prefer "The SARS-COV-2 virus has left the lab"