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Call their bluff - don’t make your service available in Utah.
by taylodl 4y ago
Call their bluff - don’t make your service available in Utah.
- ars 4y agoThat would be nice wouldn't it - mental health would improve so much.
- MBCook 4y agoHonestly this seems like the best idea. You can’t get accused of letting a kid access outside approved hours if you don’t allow people in Utah on. What about adults? They may be lying kids. So either no access (safer) or strict age checks involving checking licenses and stuff. But that’s expensive. No Utah is easier. How do you know they’re in Utah? IP addresses. Blocks people outside Utah? Sorry, our lawyers made us do this. Complain to your reps that Utah is messing with your state’s citizens. VPNs? Maybe gotta block that too. Utah is not a big state. The social networks could easily use this to try to “teach a lesson”. Just say you’ll let Utahans back in when their government makes a foolproof age verification system. And wait. I don’t necessarily disagree with the intent of the law, it just seems unenforceable/unimplementable, as usual. No benefit to the social networks but huge legal downsides.
- meghan_rain 4y agoLmao imagine Utah becoming the most mentally healthy region on earth, suicide rates plummeting, productivity up 300%, people spending time with parents and grandparents again? record sign ups in sports clubs, record birth rates etc. Be careful what you wish for ;-)
- paxys 4y agoIf the state has total control over every aspect of their citizens' lives they can model the population into any perfect utopia they desire. I'd still not like to live in that world.
- barbazoo 4y agoIsn't this the opposite though? They're not telling people how to live their lives. They're taking away the power Facebook has over many people's lives so people might enjoy their lives in more social and healthy ways again.
- staunton 4y ago"any legislation restricting behavior actually frees people to do what they always wanted (the government knows best what that is) but just couldn't because of all these other possibilities misguiding them"
- throwaway290 4y ago"there should be no laws against tobacco, alcohol, drug abuse, gambling because people can't possibly be misguided by powerful corporate interests for profit or otherwise"
- staunton 4y agoThat's not what I said. There is a balance to be found. I only objected to "this restriction actually makes everyone free (to do what I think they should)" being used as an argument. If enough people agree, sure, you can ban social media. The reasoning should be a cost benefit analysis though, not "my laws shall make you free".
- throwaway290 4y agoYes, balance is important. I guess if the law is passed then enough people agree...
- ajhurliman 4y agoI’m sure you’re writing all of this in a “yeah, that’ll teach em” voice, but this all sounds amazing. Please, let social media block everyone, become irrelevant, then bring back the old internet.
- MBCook 4y agoI expect if it were to happen there would be a very large outcry (in Utah at a minimum) and the law would be changed/repealed quickly. It would be a VERY interesting natural experiment if it stayed in effect. People would find ways back on, but not everyone would be willing to go through the hoops. What would that do in even a month or two?
- christophilus 4y agoI suspect it would improve things drastically in Utah. That’s what I’d bet on, anyway. I’m a libertarianish person, so I don’t love this legislation, but… I’m not gonna lie. It half makes me want to move to Utah.
- t-writescode 4y agoWhile you may not like the current method of communication and congregation, you must understand _why_ we have the first amendment, right? Congregating together and discussing ideas of (nearly) any sort is an absolutely vital part of democracy and a free society
- raincole 4y agoPeople (like the one above you) don't care about the first amendment as long as their favorite things aren't affected. ...and that's why the first amendment exists.
- Dylan16807 4y agoThey're excited about the idea of those sites blocking users in general. It's not really a first amendment thing. That comment isn't focused on the broader context.
- chudmeister 4y ago[dead]
- syklep 4y agoSoftware Developer is the most common job in Utah, it's kind of surprising this happened despite that.
- Jensson 4y agoSoftware developers are more anti tech than most.
- monksy 4y agoIt's not surprising at all for Utah. That is a highly Mormon run state that has strong stances on how you should live your life. Even if you are a "goi" (I use the word loosely to illustrate the cultural metaphor in a us v them mentality) to them. What is amazing is that they have this strong stance on how to restrictively govern the people inside their borders, but yet expect to have a western lifestyle support them. More organizations should stand up and say "I'll pass" in a blanket ban on them.
- Slava_Propanei 4y ago[dead]
- yeahsure22 4y ago[dead]
- smooth_remmy 4y ago> That is a highly Mormon run state that has strong stances on how you should live your life. Even if you are a "goi" (I use the word loosely to illustrate the cultural metaphor in a us v them mentality) to them. I think you're crossing a line here. You are accusing the Mormons in Utah of having a us-versus-them mentality. But your own comment tries to turn readers against Mormons. Never forget: The Missouri Executive Order 44, also known as the Mormon Extermination Order, was issued on October 27, 1838, by Governor Lilburn Boggs. The order authorized the expulsion of Mormons from the state and is sometimes referred to as the "Mormon Kill Law". However, the order was rescinded by Governor Christopher S. "Kit" Bond in 1976. I think we should all be more charitable to Mormons after what they've been through.
- ryankshaw 4y agoI live in Utah. If that's what happens, that would be awesome! "Sorry kids, no fb/tiktok/insta and there's nothing I can do about it. None of them work where we live" Would be a huge win for all parents. No social media, and we don't have to be the bad guys taking it away.
- arpowers 4y agoYa would be awesome
- sbrother 4y agoAnother Utahn here and I feel the same. I don’t really see how this could work and think it will probably go away quietly, but I’d kind of love it if these platforms (and the social pressure our kids feel to be on them) just went away.
- Buttons840 4y agoIs love to see Instagram, etc, replaced with a static site in Utah asking people to vote for better leaders.
- seandoe 4y agoUtahn with two young kids, yes please!!
- veec_cas_tant 4y agoHopefully this is hyperbole. Seems a bit extreme to hope the government legislates away industries because you don't want to handle the parenting yourself.
- acover 4y agoYou have to show id to buy cigarettes. How hard is it to id people before account creation?
- veec_cas_tant 4y ago
- jfengel 4y agoThat is the goal. It's not a bluff. The kids are just an excuse.
- kerpotgh 4y ago[dead]
- bdw5204 4y agoThe solution is actually simpler than that. Just shut down any company operations in Utah, refuse to accept any payments from users with Utah addresses and require all of your employees that are located in Utah to relocate. But people in Utah can continue using the service. It's also quite possible that this law gets thrown out as unconstitutional by the federal courts since it seems similar to the California video game censorship law from Brown v. EMA.
- dumbotron 4y agoRemember the time Facebook blocked news in Australia?
- BeFlatXIII 4y agoOr be a company based outside the US. "Your laws, your problem: my government doesn't care"