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Yes, of course we should ban TikTok

51 points by jseliger 4y ago

angryasian 4y ago
... written by a conservative that borders on fascist beliefs. thanks
- joenot443 4y ago
  You’re going to have to be more specific. Noah’s posted here all the time and is fairly well received. What opinions did you find troublesome here?
jacooper 4y ago
OK! Don't complain and scream free marker when other countries limit or ban American big tech.
- partyboy 4y ago
  As if they don't already? Banning Tiktok is like retaliation for what China has been doing to American companies for literally decades.
  - jacooper 4y ago
    I said other countries, not only China.
macinjosh 4y ago
Paranoid xenophobia
ClapperHeid 4y ago
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- permo-w 4y ago
  is it me that’s being stupid when reading “hold[ing] up the ban” as the inverse of his intended meaning?
_v7gu 4y ago
I believe this argument can be extended to Facebook/Instagram/Twitter/etc for other countries. And considering that; yes, let’s do it!
- srcreigh 4y ago
  Ban google outside US! I’d love for each country to build their own
freemanon 4y ago
US companies have been doing the same thing all over the world. Outside the west, everyone can see the hypocrisy. Ban it by all means, but you will become just like China: a state that censors information and speech from its citizens because the government is scared of it.
- _8j50 4y ago
  Are you saying there is some speech allowed on tiktok but banned elsewhere? Outside the US there are a lot of envious people that scream hypocrisy and act anti-US at every opportunity so what you're saying isn't surprising. Americans shouldn't care what "the world" thinks when it comes to trade policy. Personally I couldn't care less if the US is like or not like China. Xi's regime is very anti-us and any state controlled companies can get bent. The nerve on some people. They want you to apologize for banning a service controlled by the CCP which is talking about actual war against the US.
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- _-david-_ 4y ago
  >US companies have been doing the same thing all over the world. Outside the west, everyone can see the hypocrisy It is not necessarily hypocrisy. I haven't paid too much attention, but does the US say China banning Facebook or Google is anti free speech? If not, then the US is not being hypocritical. Perhaps, double standards or something like that is more of what you were looking for? >Ban it by all means, but you will become just like China China builds roads. If the US builds roads it will become just like China. >a state that censors information and speech from its citizens because the government is scared of it. You think Europe is doing this when they banned RT, right?
- JohnFen 4y ago
  > but you will become just like China: a state that censors information and speech from its citizens because the government is scared of it. There are several legit arguments against banning, but this isn't one one of them. Banning Tiktok is not censoring information and speech, let alone doing it because of fear. If it were, then they'd also ban all of the numerous other methods by which people can talk to each other.
Melatonic 4y ago
Or pass meaningful regulation on what social media companies can do and what data they can harvest
- mrkramer 4y ago
  Essentially they can "harvest" whatever you give them but the question is how are they going to use it as well as for how long they are going to store/archive it. I agree this things should be regulated; my thinking is something in the veins of banking industry akin to regulations regarding what banks can and can not do with your private information and for how long they should or should not store your transactions.
DuckFeathers 4y ago
Just a reminder that China banned Facebook in 2009 when riots were happening in Xinjiang and Facebook refused to block activists from communicating with each other or reporting it to the Chinese government. Similarly, Google was banned in 2010 following disputes over censorship of search queries, that the Chinese government wanted but Google refused to oblige by.
- seanmcdirmid 4y ago
  Google was banned in 2010 from what I remember because they shut down their Chinese google site in protest of Chinese agents hacking gmail accounts in Hong Kong. So google.cn was redirected to google.hk until it was blocked. Fun times. Twitter was blocked because the American embassy was tweeting accurate air quality numbers which was embarrassing the Chinese government (who up until that time refused to acknowledge that the air quality was really bad). Or so we all thought at the time. I don't see a really good reason to ban tiktok in the USA, first we don't really ban things nor have the infrastructure for it. The best we can do is pollute some DNS records maybe, or maybe we can buy GFW technology from China to accomplish this? Second...tiktok is used mostly by teens, who will be all over anything that is officially banned by old people. We would just be making tiktok really popular, and there is no good infosec reason to do that.
- UncleMeat 4y ago
  Yes. China is an authoritarian state and their policies should largely not be emulated.
  - edmundsauto 4y ago
    You don’t think tit for tat is a good strategy in this situation?
    - sacnoradhq 4y ago
      "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." And competitive brinksmanship, xenophobia, and walled isolation aren't useful unless you're running DPRK.

51 points by jseliger 4y ago

angryasian 4y ago

... written by a conservative that borders on fascist beliefs. thanks

joenot443 4y ago
You’re going to have to be more specific. Noah’s posted here all the time and is fairly well received. What opinions did you find troublesome here?

jacooper 4y ago

OK! Don't complain and scream free marker when other countries limit or ban American big tech.

partyboy 4y ago
As if they don't already? Banning Tiktok is like retaliation for what China has been doing to American companies for literally decades.
- jacooper 4y ago
  I said other countries, not only China.

macinjosh 4y ago

Paranoid xenophobia

ClapperHeid 4y ago

[flagged]

permo-w 4y ago
is it me that’s being stupid when reading “hold[ing] up the ban” as the inverse of his intended meaning?

_v7gu 4y ago

I believe this argument can be extended to Facebook/Instagram/Twitter/etc for other countries. And considering that; yes, let’s do it!

srcreigh 4y ago
Ban google outside US! I’d love for each country to build their own

freemanon 4y ago

US companies have been doing the same thing all over the world. Outside the west, everyone can see the hypocrisy. Ban it by all means, but you will become just like China: a state that censors information and speech from its citizens because the government is scared of it.

_8j50 4y ago
Are you saying there is some speech allowed on tiktok but banned elsewhere? Outside the US there are a lot of envious people that scream hypocrisy and act anti-US at every opportunity so what you're saying isn't surprising. Americans shouldn't care what "the world" thinks when it comes to trade policy. Personally I couldn't care less if the US is like or not like China. Xi's regime is very anti-us and any state controlled companies can get bent. The nerve on some people. They want you to apologize for banning a service controlled by the CCP which is talking about actual war against the US.
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_-david-_ 4y ago
>US companies have been doing the same thing all over the world. Outside the west, everyone can see the hypocrisy It is not necessarily hypocrisy. I haven't paid too much attention, but does the US say China banning Facebook or Google is anti free speech? If not, then the US is not being hypocritical. Perhaps, double standards or something like that is more of what you were looking for? >Ban it by all means, but you will become just like China China builds roads. If the US builds roads it will become just like China. >a state that censors information and speech from its citizens because the government is scared of it. You think Europe is doing this when they banned RT, right?
JohnFen 4y ago
> but you will become just like China: a state that censors information and speech from its citizens because the government is scared of it. There are several legit arguments against banning, but this isn't one one of them. Banning Tiktok is not censoring information and speech, let alone doing it because of fear. If it were, then they'd also ban all of the numerous other methods by which people can talk to each other.

Melatonic 4y ago

Or pass meaningful regulation on what social media companies can do and what data they can harvest

mrkramer 4y ago
Essentially they can "harvest" whatever you give them but the question is how are they going to use it as well as for how long they are going to store/archive it. I agree this things should be regulated; my thinking is something in the veins of banking industry akin to regulations regarding what banks can and can not do with your private information and for how long they should or should not store your transactions.

DuckFeathers 4y ago

Just a reminder that China banned Facebook in 2009 when riots were happening in Xinjiang and Facebook refused to block activists from communicating with each other or reporting it to the Chinese government. Similarly, Google was banned in 2010 following disputes over censorship of search queries, that the Chinese government wanted but Google refused to oblige by.

seanmcdirmid 4y ago
Google was banned in 2010 from what I remember because they shut down their Chinese google site in protest of Chinese agents hacking gmail accounts in Hong Kong. So google.cn was redirected to google.hk until it was blocked. Fun times. Twitter was blocked because the American embassy was tweeting accurate air quality numbers which was embarrassing the Chinese government (who up until that time refused to acknowledge that the air quality was really bad). Or so we all thought at the time. I don't see a really good reason to ban tiktok in the USA, first we don't really ban things nor have the infrastructure for it. The best we can do is pollute some DNS records maybe, or maybe we can buy GFW technology from China to accomplish this? Second...tiktok is used mostly by teens, who will be all over anything that is officially banned by old people. We would just be making tiktok really popular, and there is no good infosec reason to do that.
UncleMeat 4y ago
Yes. China is an authoritarian state and their policies should largely not be emulated.
- edmundsauto 4y ago
  You don’t think tit for tat is a good strategy in this situation?
  - sacnoradhq 4y ago
    "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." And competitive brinksmanship, xenophobia, and walled isolation aren't useful unless you're running DPRK.