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Does anyone have info on two things: 1) Will FAANG+ companies hire college interns this summer? 2) Will FAANG+ companies hire new college graduates to start i

Does anyone have info on two things: 1) Will FAANG+ companies hire college interns this summer? 2) Will FAANG+ companies hire new college graduates to start in the fall?

oofta-boofta 4y ago
If you're a new grad or an intern applying for a "brand name" tech company, you're gonna have a rough time. There's lots of companies out there that pay well, offer far better wlb, and aren't nearly as "picky" as FAANG.
- babypuncher 4y ago
  I don't understand how FAANG companies are able to vacuum up new recruits the way they do. There are so many better opportunities.
  - cmrdporcupine 4y ago
    The $$$ after 3-4 years of accumulating RSUs at those companies have, up to now, been something that you can't beat in most of the rest of the industry. It also has, historically, been very good on the resume. And they have tended to be on the whole respectful places to work with good perks / benefits. Whether this all still holds in a year or two, we shall see.
    - alfalfasprout 4y ago
      TBH, even in the last few months you've been able to get comparable comp packages at the high end of senior and staff levels at public unicorns. G is no longer particularly competitive comp-wise. I suspect the issue was that FAANG was massively overpaying junior talent fresh out of school (and hiring leetcoders without any engineering background) and now they're correcting.
    - WesleyJohnson 4y ago
      I'm curious what I could expect to earn as a Senior Developer with 18 years of experience? I've worked my way into manager/director positions at a couple of companies, but I'm a developer at heart. Always worked for private companies with in-house tech teams, some offering traditional services, some SAAS, some physical goods. I started in 2005 with no degree at $10/hr. Many years later, a handful of job changes, and I'm north of $200k total compensation when you include salary, insurance and ESOP. That's a huge leap from where I started, but when I see people nearly 1/2 my age hitting $200k on salary alone, it makes me wonder...
      - leetcrew 4y ago
        if you're really curious, you can just look it up on levels.fyi. total comp for a senior engineer easily breaks $300k at any of the FAANGs. at the same time, downleveling is common for people who don't grind leetcode problems pretty intensely. I know more than one person with 10+ years at the "senior" level at other companies who only got a mid-level offer at FAANGs. and they still took it; it was more money even with the downlevel.
- shagie 4y ago
  The biggest issue for a new grad or intern with going to a Big Tech company is the "Big Tech or Bust" attitude where they won't accept anything other than a job at one of those spots.
  - cmrdporcupine 4y ago
    The biggest issue with all the new grads or interns doing this is that it's just led to a big homogenous tech culture where the industry just cargo cults whatever thing Google (etc) is doing, applicable or not.
summerlight 4y ago
My pure guess is that those will hire some interns and new grads, but the # will very likely be substantially reduced. It's going to be a quite rough year, so better have a plan B.
01100011 4y ago
You probably don't want to go to a FANG. Start your career somewhere else. It's easier to 'level up' and if you want to go FANG later on you can leverage that. I am the highest level of Sr. SWE at my FANG w/ very little work to get there vs the folks I work with who are grinding themselves to death trying to get promoted from within. Edit: I'll add that your first job or two is pretty important for setting the tone of your career. Going to a FANG and learning toxic habits, like putting yourself above your team and thinking only of compensation/promotions, can make you an asshole for life.
- fdgsdfogijq 4y ago
  Being on the inside, these companies are really not innovating. Just optimizing existing platforms
  - beebmam 4y ago
    I agree. But in my opinion, that's the perfect kind of company to start your software engineer career in.
  - 01100011 4y ago
    I'm not getting into that debate, but I'll say that the most important thing for a new engineer isn't being at an innovative company. It's just learning the ropes, making your first mistakes, fixing them, learning team skills, etc. Sure, you want to avoid the bureaucratic nightmares like the defense industry, but I think many SW shops will teach you a lot vs school.
    - fdgsdfogijq 4y ago
      I bet you alot of the engineers at openAI doing impactful work are just a few years out of school, if that. Big tech is filled with bureaucrats
      - 01100011 4y ago
        Aren't a lot of those projects built on top of FANG outputs? I.e. pytorch, tensorflow, CUDA, AWS, etc?
l33t233372 4y ago
Some MAAMMA companies are offering internships this summer, but some are not.
ro_bit 4y ago
> 1) Will FAANG+ companies hire college interns this summer? I sure hope so. I've signed an internship offer for this summer but I am very anxious about it being reneged on
iLoveOncall 4y ago
Amazon is interviewing interns.
- nocsi 4y ago
  Amazon is always hiring. It’s also always firing
  - iLoveOncall 4y ago
    No, Amazon is in a hiring freeze at the moment. They just reopened for interns, and only for interns.
haram_masala 4y ago
Reminder, with Facebook’s restructuring, it’s no longer FAANG, it’s G-MAAN.
- l33t233372 4y ago
  I like MAMMAA more
  - tester756 4y ago
    Meta Apple Microsoft M? Amazon Alphabet What is under 3rd M?
    - l33t233372 4y ago
      It may be a bit too far, but I added Musk to combine Twitter/SpaceX/Tesla as premier tech jobs. I can see arguments for and against these. MAMAA would also make sense.
- adamwk 4y ago
  MANGA
biggestriverman 4y ago
my team at amazon has an intern starting may 1st
zen_1 4y ago
1) No clue 2) Yes, I know people with start dates in the fall at F and A (the fruit, not the river), and it looks like they intend to honor those offers.
colonCapitalDee 4y ago
My org at FAANG+ has had hiring frozen for a while, and while we're getting interns we're getting much fewer than in previous years.
roland35 4y ago
There will be some interns hired but not as many
papito 4y ago
The last thing we need is college graduates learning how things are done in a massive FAANG company, then going to small startups and telling them about "how they did things at Google", trying to solve problems the current company doesn't even have. I swear to God.
boshalfoshal 4y ago
1) Yes, most likely. Interns are usually a great investment. Intern class sizes may be scaled down from previous years though. I can see very cash strapped companies cancelling their intern program altogether, but this seems rare. Interns dont cost a lot and are almost always a better hire than an external entry level applicant. 2) Maybe. My guess is external new grad offers (i.e offers extended to people that were not previously interns at the company) will become much harder to get/if not impossible. There were already a few companies that almost exclusively hired out of their intern class even before tech was hit hard by the economy. Intern return offer rates might be lower as well, but if the overall class size decreases, my guess is the % of offers extended won't go down as much.

Does anyone have info on two things: 1) Will FAANG+ companies hire college interns this summer? 2) Will FAANG+ companies hire new college graduates to start in the fall?

oofta-boofta 4y ago

If you're a new grad or an intern applying for a "brand name" tech company, you're gonna have a rough time. There's lots of companies out there that pay well, offer far better wlb, and aren't nearly as "picky" as FAANG.

babypuncher 4y ago
I don't understand how FAANG companies are able to vacuum up new recruits the way they do. There are so many better opportunities.
- cmrdporcupine 4y ago
  The $$$ after 3-4 years of accumulating RSUs at those companies have, up to now, been something that you can't beat in most of the rest of the industry. It also has, historically, been very good on the resume. And they have tended to be on the whole respectful places to work with good perks / benefits. Whether this all still holds in a year or two, we shall see.
  - alfalfasprout 4y ago
    TBH, even in the last few months you've been able to get comparable comp packages at the high end of senior and staff levels at public unicorns. G is no longer particularly competitive comp-wise. I suspect the issue was that FAANG was massively overpaying junior talent fresh out of school (and hiring leetcoders without any engineering background) and now they're correcting.
  - WesleyJohnson 4y ago
    I'm curious what I could expect to earn as a Senior Developer with 18 years of experience? I've worked my way into manager/director positions at a couple of companies, but I'm a developer at heart. Always worked for private companies with in-house tech teams, some offering traditional services, some SAAS, some physical goods. I started in 2005 with no degree at $10/hr. Many years later, a handful of job changes, and I'm north of $200k total compensation when you include salary, insurance and ESOP. That's a huge leap from where I started, but when I see people nearly 1/2 my age hitting $200k on salary alone, it makes me wonder...
    - leetcrew 4y ago
      if you're really curious, you can just look it up on levels.fyi. total comp for a senior engineer easily breaks $300k at any of the FAANGs. at the same time, downleveling is common for people who don't grind leetcode problems pretty intensely. I know more than one person with 10+ years at the "senior" level at other companies who only got a mid-level offer at FAANGs. and they still took it; it was more money even with the downlevel.
shagie 4y ago
The biggest issue for a new grad or intern with going to a Big Tech company is the "Big Tech or Bust" attitude where they won't accept anything other than a job at one of those spots.
- cmrdporcupine 4y ago
  The biggest issue with all the new grads or interns doing this is that it's just led to a big homogenous tech culture where the industry just cargo cults whatever thing Google (etc) is doing, applicable or not.

summerlight 4y ago

My pure guess is that those will hire some interns and new grads, but the # will very likely be substantially reduced. It's going to be a quite rough year, so better have a plan B.

01100011 4y ago

You probably don't want to go to a FANG. Start your career somewhere else. It's easier to 'level up' and if you want to go FANG later on you can leverage that. I am the highest level of Sr. SWE at my FANG w/ very little work to get there vs the folks I work with who are grinding themselves to death trying to get promoted from within. Edit: I'll add that your first job or two is pretty important for setting the tone of your career. Going to a FANG and learning toxic habits, like putting yourself above your team and thinking only of compensation/promotions, can make you an asshole for life.

fdgsdfogijq 4y ago
Being on the inside, these companies are really not innovating. Just optimizing existing platforms
- beebmam 4y ago
  I agree. But in my opinion, that's the perfect kind of company to start your software engineer career in.
- 01100011 4y ago
  I'm not getting into that debate, but I'll say that the most important thing for a new engineer isn't being at an innovative company. It's just learning the ropes, making your first mistakes, fixing them, learning team skills, etc. Sure, you want to avoid the bureaucratic nightmares like the defense industry, but I think many SW shops will teach you a lot vs school.
  - fdgsdfogijq 4y ago
    I bet you alot of the engineers at openAI doing impactful work are just a few years out of school, if that. Big tech is filled with bureaucrats
    - 01100011 4y ago
      Aren't a lot of those projects built on top of FANG outputs? I.e. pytorch, tensorflow, CUDA, AWS, etc?

l33t233372 4y ago

Some MAAMMA companies are offering internships this summer, but some are not.

ro_bit 4y ago

> 1) Will FAANG+ companies hire college interns this summer? I sure hope so. I've signed an internship offer for this summer but I am very anxious about it being reneged on

iLoveOncall 4y ago

Amazon is interviewing interns.

nocsi 4y ago
Amazon is always hiring. It’s also always firing
- iLoveOncall 4y ago
  No, Amazon is in a hiring freeze at the moment. They just reopened for interns, and only for interns.

haram_masala 4y ago

Reminder, with Facebook’s restructuring, it’s no longer FAANG, it’s G-MAAN.

l33t233372 4y ago
I like MAMMAA more
- tester756 4y ago
  Meta Apple Microsoft M? Amazon Alphabet What is under 3rd M?
  - l33t233372 4y ago
    It may be a bit too far, but I added Musk to combine Twitter/SpaceX/Tesla as premier tech jobs. I can see arguments for and against these. MAMAA would also make sense.
adamwk 4y ago
MANGA

biggestriverman 4y ago

my team at amazon has an intern starting may 1st

zen_1 4y ago

1) No clue 2) Yes, I know people with start dates in the fall at F and A (the fruit, not the river), and it looks like they intend to honor those offers.

colonCapitalDee 4y ago

My org at FAANG+ has had hiring frozen for a while, and while we're getting interns we're getting much fewer than in previous years.

roland35 4y ago

There will be some interns hired but not as many

papito 4y ago

The last thing we need is college graduates learning how things are done in a massive FAANG company, then going to small startups and telling them about "how they did things at Google", trying to solve problems the current company doesn't even have. I swear to God.

boshalfoshal 4y ago

1) Yes, most likely. Interns are usually a great investment. Intern class sizes may be scaled down from previous years though. I can see very cash strapped companies cancelling their intern program altogether, but this seems rare. Interns dont cost a lot and are almost always a better hire than an external entry level applicant. 2) Maybe. My guess is external new grad offers (i.e offers extended to people that were not previously interns at the company) will become much harder to get/if not impossible. There were already a few companies that almost exclusively hired out of their intern class even before tech was hit hard by the economy. Intern return offer rates might be lower as well, but if the overall class size decreases, my guess is the % of offers extended won't go down as much.